Rural town may block Muslim site

This_person

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Our Country?

are you Native American?

what do you mean by "our country"?
I'm Native American! My parent were born here, their parents, and their parents too! How far back do I need to go?

If you mean American Indian, I'm not one of those. But, since humans didn't evolve on the North American continent, they're no more native than I am.

I don't know about you, but I consider this my country.
 

Midnightrider

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It's not OK and they'll stand in judgement for that evil but it's not typical of, nor right for Christians to do that. (I was speaking of my Italian Grandparents however).

interesting that you can differentiate between the radicals and the normal people of your faith, but refuse to do the same for others.....
 

Xaquin44

New Member
I'm Native American! My parent were born here, their parents, and their parents too! How far back do I need to go?

If you mean American Indian, I'm not one of those. But, since humans didn't evolve on the North American continent, they're no more native than I am.

I don't know about you, but I consider this my country.

haha you got me there on wrong terminology. All the same, there were people coexisting here long before europe killed them all off.
 

nhboy

Ubi bene ibi patria
Many inmates convert to Islam while in stir, so it makes sense that the imams would want to keep them in the fold after they're released. :smile:

On the other hand, many faith based prison programs are busy coercing convicts to be Christians.

FOXNews.com - Faith-Based Prison Programs Raise Eyebrows - U.S. & World


But it doesn't seem to be working very well.....

Faith-based prison programs claim to reduce recidivism, but there's little evidence, says FSU research
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
interesting that you can differentiate between the radicals and the normal people of your faith, but refuse to do the same for others.....
That's not what I'm doing. I said they will stand in judgment. That goes for everyone including "Christian" radicals. I'm also saying that our justice system is getting too relaxed on crimes, I'm NOT saying to stop all other religions from coming here.
 
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This_person

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haha you got me there on wrong terminology. All the same, there were people coexisting here long before europe killed them all off.
they're not all killed off. They have millions of acres of soveriegn land still. Americans could have taken ALL of their lands, and/or killed them all off, but we didn't. We didn't treat 'em right all of the time, but we didn't take 'em all out and kill 'em taking all of their lands, either. We did the same thing we did to Mexico and Canada (and, significant parts of Euope as I recall) - we won wars and took what we wanted, leaving them something also.

As for coexisting, there were many wars among the different nations of American Indians. They just had a lot more room to keep away from each other most of the time, and a lot less technology than the illegal aliens that took over their nations. In their case, the illegal aliens won, and that's who we are today.

In the case of this 224 acre religious compound - I understand, but disagree with, the fear. I'd be afraid, too, but I think it's wrong to completely stop them for religious reasons. Sounds a little against the first amendment to me.
 

Midnightrider

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That's not what I'm doing. I said they will stand in judgment. That goes for everyone includung "Christian" radicals. I'm also saying that our justice system is getting too relaxed on crimes, I'm NOT saying to stop all other religions from coming here.

just the ones YOU dont like, or YOU think are dangerous.......
 

vraiblonde

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On the other hand, many faith based prison programs are busy coercing convicts to be Christians.

FOXNews.com - Faith-Based Prison Programs Raise Eyebrows - U.S. & World


But it doesn't seem to be working very well.....

Faith-based prison programs claim to reduce recidivism, but there's little evidence, says FSU research

Well...obviously. If you're a criminal, which would you rather be: a Muslim, so you can still kill people, or a Christian, so you have to cut it out?

:shrug:

I am not surprised that Christianity isn't taking hold among the convict set.
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
Muslim = Mexican?
Since Mexicans are primarily Christian, the problems this country faces from Illegal Aliens are because of Christians that are violent and law breaking.
Christianity is the religion of those that enter this country illegally, that is a violent act, your right we should not allow it to be practiced in this country.
Who said they are Christians???? 35% of all illegal Mexicans are in our jails...
Nucklesack said:
The Italians have introduced a level of violence in this country that has GREATLY surprassed anything 19 Fanatical Muslims ever brought about. Will you agree Italians should be removed too?
No, but the government did a great job in removing the Mafia, didn't they? That's all I'm asking them to do with the extreme Muslim people but they AREN'T because of our liberal PC laws!
 

Midnightrider

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Well...obviously. If you're a criminal, which would you rather be: a Muslim, so you can still kill people, or a Christian, so you have to cut it out?

:shrug:

I am not surprised that Christianity isn't taking hold among the convict set.

if you are christian you can still kill people, you just have to feel bad and say you are sorry to god after......
 

Midnightrider

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Who said they are Christians???? 35% of all illegal Mexicans are in our jails...

No, but the government did a great job in removing the Mafia, didn't they? That's all I'm asking them to do with the extreme Muslim people but they AREN'T because of our liberal PC laws!

and being in jail makes you not a christian how?

so you are saying there is no mafia?
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
just the ones YOU dont like, or YOU think are dangerous.......
It has nothing to do with me. So you're agreeing with the Hillary's and the Kennedy's saying that we should just let anyone come in here and do what they want because all they want is a better life? They're not out to hurt us, right?
 

Midnightrider

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It has nothing to do with me. So you're agreeing with the Hillary's and the Kennedy's saying that we should just let anyone come in here and do what they want because all they want is a better life? They're not out to hurt us, right?

as long as all they want is a better life i have no problem with their religion.

you can compare me to whoever you need to make yourself feel better, but last time i checked, the highlighted part of you post is exactly the intent of our forefathers...... you know, the great melting pot
 

Xaquin44

New Member
It has nothing to do with me. So you're agreeing with the Hillary's and the Kennedy's saying that we should just let anyone come in here and do what they want because all they want is a better life? They're not out to hurt us, right?

wow thats some inventive (not really) word cramming. I doubt any Clinton or Kennedy (or any politician) would allow anyone in here to do whatever they want. My guess is they (the immigrants) would have to abide by United States law like the rest of us (note: this is already how it is).
 

This_person

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You are nuts if you think the "millions of acres of soveriegn land" the Indians were left with had any value. They were forced onto that land because the land had no value.

The european settlers (white man) did them no favors letting them setup nation on that land, and it hasnt been until Oil exploration and Casinos that its developed into any kind of value.
I made no claim the land was valuable. As a matter of fact, we (the government of the United States) renigged on more than one treaty to move them from land thought to be valueless to land that actually was valueless, because the first land was found to have value.

Like I said, we didn't always to right by them, not by a long shot. Those European, Asian, and African settlers (mostly European) did them a favor though. In a time when it would have been considered socially acceptable to simply eliminate them, they didn't. In a time when it would have been completely acceptable to just say "you have no more land, get over it", they didn't. They left soveriegn nations, with the full protection and rights of Americans, and virtually none of the responsibilities.

Actually, they offer us a great lesson now. Living in effectively a socialist type society with shared wealth, they have rampant unemployment, 50+% alcoholism, and several other social ills. They give us a good idea of what life would be like in an American socialist environment.
 

This_person

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as long as all they want is a better life i have no problem with their religion.
the only thing I would add to this is that there better life doesn't consist of significantly altering my life (or, taking it).
you can compare me to whoever you need to make yourself feel better, but last time i checked, the highlighted part of you post is exactly the intent of our forefathers...... you know, the great melting pot

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Midnightrider

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the only thing I would add to this is that there better life doesn't consist of significantly altering my life (or, taking it).

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youtube is blocked here, but your NIMBY argument isn't very compelling. we already have laws against taking a life unjustly, so that goes without saying. as for altering your life, i dont see how a mosque can alter your life unles you convert to islam
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
If he wants to get rid of an entire organization (Muslims) because of the violence of a minority subset will he join in getting rid of Italians because of their legacy of violence a minority of that country wrought here?
Again, just the bad ones, but that's not happening because of liberalism and our PC government. Our government didn't stop Murtha from trying to hang innocent military men but it's trying to get a lot of our security surveillance initiatives stopped. All in the name of not offending someone! Don't any of you see this???
 
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