Salvation--a real dialogue
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onel0126
Bead mumbler
So, everyone is saved?!?! Even Gilligan the Druid!
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Chuckt
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No.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
People who believe not shall be damned. It doesn't say, "he that is baptized not" shall be damned.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Swing and a miss (again). Oh damn, that pesky sola scriptura thing. The purpose of this was to watch you and any other SS adherent struggle to prove with scripture alone that there are other ways to be saved. You've thrown scripture at me and it's not working. Just like sola scriptura--it doesn't work and you don't even see that you don't even believe it yourself!
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Chuckt
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What else are you going to say? Except the burden of proof is on you. You didn't give any reasons to not believe my words and talk is cheap.
ProximaCentauri
Member
The only thing you've accomplished here is to prove that you are just as dogmatic as he is. This is a battle of uncompromising dogmatic belief versus uncompromising dogmatic belief, with some insults thrown in for good measure...an expression of your 'Christian Love' for each other no doubt
onel0126
Bead mumbler
It's the elephant in the room. You have thrown half a dozen scripture verses at me that DO NOT prove that a non believer below or above your beloved age of reason is assured of salvation from scripture alone.
It's like a Protestant funeral. I've attended many. Not one time has the pastor/minister/deacon/elder ever NOT said that the deceased was in heaven/with the Lord/an angel etc. Crazy the cajones you all have.
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Chuckt
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The only thing you've accomplished here is to prove that you are just as dogmatic as he is. This is a battle of uncompromising dogmatic belief versus uncompromising dogmatic belief, with some insults thrown in for good measure...an expression of your 'Christian Love' for each other no doubt
And how would you know if you were in Christianity or not unless you were in it?
The Bible talks about the age of accountability:
Deuteronomy 1:39 - Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
I can probably also find teaching MP3's online which rightfully teach our belief that children from other faiths will go up in the rapture because of the age of accountability.
So if I can find a Bible verse and if I can show a teaching tape and a Catholic is going to smear us with what they think our beliefs are then they can smear us because when I show proof they are going to say, "I don't understand" or "No it isn't" because their denial is an expectation of you to agree with them.
Dead people aren't spiritually dead for a reason. They're dead because and the evidence they are dead is because they don't want to listen to reason or God's word but find some other explanation and try to justify it and they can torture a text long enough to make it say what they want to say because they are climbing up into the kingdom another way and God calls them thieves and robbers.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Age-Of-Accountability/
John 10:7 ¶ Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10:1 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
You mean like your anti-Calvinist rants with videos last week?
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Chuckt
Guest
A rant is "speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way." and I did not.
I posted videos. My work was apologetic. Posting in caps is shouting and I did not. I am passionate. The first video is something I would have deleted if I had the chance because I disagree with the author on different topics.
I didn't really speak in length compared to what I can write.
But thanks for avoiding the issue that you don't want to address by changing the subject.
When you are wrong, change the subject.
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Chuckt
Guest
What age is it...specifically? Would hate to see anyone miss the cutoff date.
Everyone is different. It is determined by God because God knows what you know and I'm guessing it is based on when they know better.
PsyOps
Pixelated
I'm really not making fun of you, but you're very difficult to understand.
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Chuckt
Guest
I usually get attacked for making things easy to understand because people feel it is condescending or people feel I am talking down to them and making them feel like they are stupid when trying to explain something.
God is merciful but God is also just.
People who are accurately told how to find God and salvation get many chances until their last day on earth.
People who are mentally challenged can get God's mercy but we're schooled on the clear proclamation of the gospel and people who do not accept are not neutral with God and at some point it has to be viewed as a rejection of God and eternal life.
If someone has a serious question, I can answer it for them. I can be asked to explain myself. Skilled answers take time.
Do tell.
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Chuckt
Guest
The only ones who might say that children or down syndrome kids wouldn't go to heaven are possibly some Calvinists who believe God elected some to hell.
I am not a Calvinist.
So what yr saying is that, to win in your game, you have to choose the right team or yr toast? Kinda like gambling on NFL football.