Yes, endless possibilities there. We just don't know that much.
Sean Taylor murders confess
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Yes, endless possibilities there. We just don't know that much.
Not trying to make lite of this, but you should never go to a gun fight with a knife. That is what Sean did. He took a machete to a gun fight.
In this day and age, you better come prepared to do battle with the biggest and baddest weapon you can bring to the "dance." Not only that, you better know how to use it and be ready and willing to do so. Otherwise, stay under the bed and pray (or hope for the best for the agnostics and atheists).
In this day and age, you better come prepared to do battle with the biggest and baddest weapon you can bring to the "dance." Not only that, you better know how to use it and be ready and willing to do so. Otherwise, stay under the bed and pray (or hope for the best for the agnostics and atheists).
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dems4me
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I understand what you are both saying. They are not going to think, well, I'm already committing a felony, better not take the gun cause if I get caught there is a 5 year mandatory federal sentence with that on top of my burglary time.
I just hope that they consider this as pre-meditated murder, maybe that is doubtful, but it carries much more weight as far as sentencing. The statement in general pisses me off because they are trying to minimize what they did. We just went there to steal; we didn't mean to kill anyone. Yeah, okGuns don't kill, people do.
Its part of that mentality NOW a days. What did you expect them to come in with for the burglery - boxing gloves??? a sling shot???
What still puzzles me is leaving the knife in the bed last visit, other than it could have been there from them entering the bedroom last time "just in case" someone was in there... now they think.. oh crap... I left a knife in the bed, better bring a gun in case they found that and can use it against me??? :shrug:
cattitude
My Sweetest Boy
stupidity...they had it up there for who knows what reason and forgot about it...just like the other evidence they forgot about....the cops had evidence place at least two of them in the house. These boys got in waaaay over their heads on this one.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
Probably used it to try and pry something open. These kids were none too bright. What a shame the way it all went down though.
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dems4me
Guest
That too!!!
I think the other evidence was survelance cameras. Now, on a lighter note, I think as punishment that is just and reasonable for us Redskin fans, is to have them play first string for Dallas for 20 years, as quarterback, running back, receiver and coach
Now, not on a lighter note, I'm glad my prayers have been answered, and I will contribute to Sean Taylor's Daughters Fund set up on Redskins.com. It is very sad that he was killed defending his family and killed in his own bedroom at that. Soo much talent and he was turning it all around, its just sad. As Brian Mitchel said - "people ask why he was down there, when there was burgleries going on in his house recently, he died protecting his family, he died being a Man and thats more than any football recognition can give you. It's about family."
Its part of that mentality NOW a days. What did you expect them to come in with for the burglery - boxing gloves??? a sling shot???
People burglaries places all the time with no weapon at all. If they are startled, they run. Gun tooting criminals are more common depending upon demographics. If I was the attorney representing the state in this matter, I would certainly argue the fact that going to a burglary with a gun would be pre-meditated murder, may not win, but most certainly would argue such a thing.
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
That too!!!
Now, on a lighter note, I think as punishment that is just and reasonable for us Redskin fans, is to have them play first string for Dallas for 20 years, as quarterback, running back, receiver and coach
Now, not on a lighter note, I'm glad my prayers have been answered, and I will contribute to Sean Taylor's Daughters Fund set up on Redskins.com. It is very sad that he was killed defending his family and killed in his own bedroom at that. Soo much talent and he was turning it all around, its just sad. As Brian Mitchel said - "people ask why he was down there, when there was burgleries going on in his house recently, he died protecting his family, he died being a Man and thats more than any football recognition can give you. It's about family."
Thank you for mentioning there is a fund for his daughter. I hadn't heard about that.
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dems4me
Guest
Again, if I was defense attorney, I'd argue that he was with their peers and on a big mission of robbing a very prominent and wealthy athelete's house, why not take all precautions necessary :shrug: let alone, they were young and obviously not very experienced at this (as in 20 years of experience in robbing homes) :shrug: They were part of the thug mentality and lets bring our guns. :shrug: This was a thrill for them of sorts. I don't know that you understand this mentality.
:shrug: I wouldn't say that bringing a gun was pre-meditated murder at all, especially, when you and several of your friends are intending on robbing someone, its more of a threat than anything :shrug: and maybe as the professionals involved in the case since day one saw it as - it was a robbery gone bad. They were young and maybe felt it was self defense when they realized someone was home :shrug:
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Again, if I was defense attorney, I'd argue that he was with their peers and on a big mission of robbing a very prominent and wealthy athelete's house, why not take all precautions necessary :shrug: let alone, they were young and obviously not very experienced at this (as in 20 years of experience in robbing homes) :shrug: They were part of the thug mentality and lets bring our guns. :shrug: This was a thrill for them of sorts. I don't know that you understand this mentality.
I completely understand the mentality but it doesn't change the fact that a weapon was added into the commission of a felony. Just because I am aware of the mentality doesn't mean I have to accept it as a reason for anyone to get a charge to a lesser degree.
But what you are arguing is going to be what these young boy's attorney's will argue and what I am arguing is what the state is going to argue provided it isn't a plea to a lesser at the jump, as already mentioned, something they may have already gotten from the detectives when they confessed.
I have not been following the developments closely, so I don't know if they were apprehended or came forward voluntarily. If they came forward on their own, it would go a long way as to intent; a robbery gone bad and a very big mistake. They did shoot him in the leg; often a non fatal wound. If they were apprehended, then they have more of a problem with convincing me that they were not prepared to kill during the robbery.
SweetThang
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No harm intended dems but Sean Taylor's daughter will be provided for-share your wealth to those who really need help.
Novus Collectus
New Member
No harm intended dems but Sean Taylor's daughter will be provided for-share your wealth to those who really need help.
I am sure his estate is worth something to begin with, the family has money anyway being related to Andy Garcia and then there is this:
NFL Players Association - Rules and Regulations - Player Benefits
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I understand what you're saying...
...but if I am apprehended next March (or Feb, when the smoke ban goes into affect?) coming out of a bar with a pack of smokes on my person, can I really be entitled to any claim of innocence of intent to smoke?
It just seems to me if I break into a home, armed, whatever happens after that, I should not be entitled to say "I didn't mean to shoot anyone. I thought the home was empty."
Why the cigarettes? Why the gun, then?; I was at minimum thinking about it and for sure prepared and planning for it. Isn't that intent?
...but if I am apprehended next March (or Feb, when the smoke ban goes into affect?) coming out of a bar with a pack of smokes on my person, can I really be entitled to any claim of innocence of intent to smoke?
It just seems to me if I break into a home, armed, whatever happens after that, I should not be entitled to say "I didn't mean to shoot anyone. I thought the home was empty."
Why the cigarettes? Why the gun, then?; I was at minimum thinking about it and for sure prepared and planning for it. Isn't that intent?
I guess it is intent, but coming forward on your own lends to credibility of what you say in my opinion. "I didn't mean to kill him. I shot him in the leg." holds more weight than if they were caught and drug in and then said the same thing.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
You know...
...on the one hand, certainly, a person who comes forward is at least taking a step towards responsibility. Yeah, I get that. But how much of a step?
On the other hand, they chose to break and enter. They chose to bring a firearm.
I take issue with any kind of mitigation because an individual decides to, all of a sudden, start thinking about consequences and what they did and now wants to argue it is somehow not as bad because, gee whiz, you know, I mean, I didn't actually intend or plan on using the gun. Gosh, I am sorry!
The only protection the law abiding have in terms of protecting lawful possession and lawful use of firearms is the vigorous opposition to unlawful possession and use.
...on the one hand, certainly, a person who comes forward is at least taking a step towards responsibility. Yeah, I get that. But how much of a step?
On the other hand, they chose to break and enter. They chose to bring a firearm.
I take issue with any kind of mitigation because an individual decides to, all of a sudden, start thinking about consequences and what they did and now wants to argue it is somehow not as bad because, gee whiz, you know, I mean, I didn't actually intend or plan on using the gun. Gosh, I am sorry!
The only protection the law abiding have in terms of protecting lawful possession and lawful use of firearms is the vigorous opposition to unlawful possession and use.
Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
It's all going to depend on the complexion of the Dade county jury selected in this case. You can be sure the family of at least one of these idjits is trying to get Johnny Cochran resurrected!
I'm not looking to get these guys off the hook. They screwed up big time.
You know I am the guy who says never pull a gun unless you intend on using it and never point a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.
They brought the gun and someone pulled the trigger. They are responsible for those actions.
I think I will withdraw from this thread since somehow I stepped into a position I really did not intend.
kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
I don't think it would matter. A jury of mostly black people are (or should be) angry with the self inflicted genocide that young black men are perpetrating on other young black men and try to make them a lesson to others.
A jury of mostly white people are going to be thinking along the same lines, to an extent, but the consideration of the location and the fact that his girlfriend and child were in the same room will also help in the decision.
Larry posted a good article by Jason Whitlock about the murder and the state of affairs in the black community especially among young black men.