Second Hope Rescue (not so new arrival) Browning

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Nah he saw me with an Almond Cookie from Walls Bakery. All they had was the plain ones, and I wanted the ones with the chocolate on them. So they made me some with chocolate on them. Well dogs can't have chocolate ... so I couldn't share the cookie with him (although he did get an almond sliver). So in summary, it WAS a sniff-down for cookies, not dead earthworms LOL


whatever... my dogs get chocolate sometime. they love m&m's... for the love of god.. do you know HOW much chocolate it would take to kill him? its the bakers chocolate and the darker chocolate that is not good for them...

heck.. sugar is not good for them .. but you would have given him a cookie :shrug:... so whats the difference?
 

TurboK9

New Member
whatever... my dogs get chocolate sometime. they love m&m's... for the love of god.. do you know HOW much chocolate it would take to kill him? its the bakers chocolate and the darker chocolate that is not good for them...

heck.. sugar is not good for them .. but you would have given him a cookie :shrug:... so whats the difference?

My dogs ate two bags of candy one halloween.... one big back of snickers minis, and one kit-kats. Other than pooping little foil wrappers for a few days, they were fine... :lmao:
 

ArkRescue

Adopt me please !
Well usually I give him doggie cookies - those Blue Dog Bakery cookies .... he LOVES those ..... if he hears the word "cookie" he magically appears at your side ....

whatever... my dogs get chocolate sometime. they love m&m's... for the love of god.. do you know HOW much chocolate it would take to kill him? its the bakers chocolate and the darker chocolate that is not good for them...

heck.. sugar is not good for them .. but you would have given him a cookie :shrug:... so whats the difference?
 

TurboK9

New Member
Well usually I give him doggie cookies - those Blue Dog Bakery cookies .... he LOVES those ..... if he hears the word "cookie" he magically appears at your side ....

That's called conditioning, actually... if he'll do that you can train him to get you your slippers and a glass of Chardonay.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
That's called conditioning, actually... if he'll do that you can train him to get you your slippers and a glass of Chardonay.


:yeahthat:

that dog has NO EFFING clue what a cookie is... you could have called it tractor, keys, poop, pot..... and the dog would realate that word/sound to what was given.

sit doesnt have to be sit, down doesnt have to be down. (this is seen with dogs that are trained in different languages) right Turbo!

it all starts with letting the dog figure out WHAT you want from him.. and then you rewarding the behavior the SECOND it starts.... then fine tuning it.
this is why I like the clicker and find it works faster than telling the dog ... sit and then trying to MAKE him do it.

Operant Conditioning vs. Classical Conditioning



When dealing with behavior (learning or modifying) we are dealing with Operant Conditioning and Classical Conditioning. For our purposes we will be dealing primarily with Operant Conditioning. However, some understand of both will help. The following is a brief summary.

Classical Conditioning: This describes an involuntary, or automatic, response to a stimulus. This type of conditioning is sometimes referred to as respondent conditioning or Pavlovian conditioning as a result of Dr. Pavlov's famous experiments with dogs early in the 20th century. Classical conditioning is what happens when an animal learns associations among things. Learning associations means learning that things go together. When one thing happens (you burn your dinner), another thing will follow shortly (the smoke detector goes off). You say "Let's go for a walk", your dog gets all excited because he has learned that this particular phrase precedes going out for a walk. Your cat runs to its food bowl when he hears the can opener because this often signals feeding time. In each case, there is a predictable relationship among the events and the animal learns to respond to the first event in anticipation of the second event. Your dog learns that a treat comes after the sound of the clicker.

Operant Conditioning: Operant conditioning is a set of principals that describe how an animal learns to survive in its environment through reinforcement (consequences). This is learning in which behaviors are altered by the consequences that follow them. If your dog "sits" and you give him a treat, he'll be more likely to repeat the behavior "sit". On the other hand, if the dog "sits" and is knocked in the head, it will be less likely to repeat the behavior. These responses were operantly conditioned. B.F. "Fred" Skinner first coined the term in 1938 in this book The Behavior of Organisms.

Within Operant Conditioning there are four possible consequences to behavior. They are:

1. Positive Reinforcement: Your dog does something you like, you give your dog something he likes. Your dog sits, comes, heels, fetches the remote, does not chase after the cat or kids, you give him a treat. This will increase the likelihood of the behavior occurring again. "Positive reinforcement is the basis of all conditioning." (K. Pryor 1984)
2. Negative Reinforcement: Involves the removal of a bad consequence when the response is performed. For instance, you say "sit" and apply upward pressure on the leash which tightens the choke chain around your dog's neck, your dog sits, and you stop choking him with a choke chain. The release of the choke chain reinforces the "sit." This also serves to increase the likelihood of the behavior in the future. However, it can be (and often is) argued, that this is technically a punishment. It is not pleasant and the dog learns to sit to avoid being choked.
3. Positive Punishment: Involves the presentation (adding) of a bad consequence when the response is performed. For instance, you say "sit", your dog lies down, and you jerk him onto his feet with the leash. This serves to decrease the likelihood of the response in the future. We see positive punishment a lot: child hit brother, parent spanks child; person drives after drinking, person ends up in jail; puppy pees on floor, puppy gets hit with rolled up newspaper.
4. Negative Punishment: Involves the removal of a good consequence when the response is performed. For instance, you say "sit", your dog lies down, and you eat the treat you were about to give the dog. You begin to pet your dog and he begins to paw and mouth on you, you STOP petting and ignore him. This also serves to decrease the likelihood of the response in the future; the dog's behavior causes what he wants and likes (your petting) to go away.
 

TurboK9

New Member
:yeahthat:

that dog has NO EFFING clue what a cookie is... you could have called it tractor, keys, poop, pot..... and the dog would realate that word/sound to what was given.

sit doesnt have to be sit, down doesnt have to be down. (this is seen with dogs that are trained in different languages) right Turbo!

it all starts with letting the dog figure out WHAT you want from him.. and then you rewarding the behavior the SECOND it starts.... then fine tuning it.
this is why I like the clicker and find it works faster than telling the dog ... sit and then trying to MAKE him do it.

Operant Conditioning vs. Classical Conditioning



When dealing with behavior (learning or modifying) we are dealing with Operant Conditioning and Classical Conditioning. For our purposes we will be dealing primarily with Operant Conditioning. However, some understand of both will help. The following is a brief summary.

Classical Conditioning: This describes an involuntary, or automatic, response to a stimulus. This type of conditioning is sometimes referred to as respondent conditioning or Pavlovian conditioning as a result of Dr. Pavlov's famous experiments with dogs early in the 20th century. Classical conditioning is what happens when an animal learns associations among things. Learning associations means learning that things go together. When one thing happens (you burn your dinner), another thing will follow shortly (the smoke detector goes off). You say "Let's go for a walk", your dog gets all excited because he has learned that this particular phrase precedes going out for a walk. Your cat runs to its food bowl when he hears the can opener because this often signals feeding time. In each case, there is a predictable relationship among the events and the animal learns to respond to the first event in anticipation of the second event. Your dog learns that a treat comes after the sound of the clicker.

Operant Conditioning: Operant conditioning is a set of principals that describe how an animal learns to survive in its environment through reinforcement (consequences). This is learning in which behaviors are altered by the consequences that follow them. If your dog "sits" and you give him a treat, he'll be more likely to repeat the behavior "sit". On the other hand, if the dog "sits" and is knocked in the head, it will be less likely to repeat the behavior. These responses were operantly conditioned. B.F. "Fred" Skinner first coined the term in 1938 in this book The Behavior of Organisms.

Within Operant Conditioning there are four possible consequences to behavior. They are:

1. Positive Reinforcement: Your dog does .......

......petting and ignore him. This also serves to decrease the likelihood of the response in the future; the dog's behavior causes what he wants and likes (your petting) to go away.

Yup.

What it seems people forget, however, is that dogs are not people... they don't think the same, they don't communicate the same, etc. Be careful that what you are doing 'talks' to the dog on the dog's level rather than trying to elevate the dog to a human level. :yay:

Learn to 'speak dog' and you are :yay:.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Yup.

What it seems people forget, however, is that dogs are not people... they don't think the same, they don't communicate the same, etc. Be careful that what you are doing 'talks' to the dog on the dog's level rather than trying to elevate the dog to a human level. :yay:

Learn to 'speak dog' and you are :yay:.


Keep it simple stupid :yay:

... now..I do talk to them as Im around the house.. BUT I dont expect them to understand or answer. And if I speak to V like that .. you will see he picks up on ONLY A FEW WORDS... those words he was conditioned to..

Why do you GO FIND the BALL. or Jebus effin christ why dont you GO lay DOWN! :coffee:

here is conditioning at the finest... so they know whenever I grab a trash bag they relate it to me going outside and scooping poop. :banghead:... so to just grab a trash bag and put a new one in the can is like :cds:
 

KDENISE977

New Member
That's so funny, I had to explain to my husband, and prove it to him, that the phrase "Daddy's home" didn't mean the dog knew who daddy was.... it meant there was a car in the driveway.... made my husband sit in the living room, with the dog... I yelled "daddys home" and the dog ran to the window to see a car come down the driveway...LOL... some get it...some don't !!
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
That's so funny, I had to explain to my husband, and prove it to him, that the phrase "Daddy's home" didn't mean the dog knew who daddy was.... it meant there was a car in the driveway.... made my husband sit in the living room, with the dog... I yelled "daddys home" and the dog ran to the window to see a car come down the driveway...LOL... some get it...some don't !!


OMG :killingme :killingme

:burstbubble: but soooooo funny!
 

TurboK9

New Member
That's so funny, I had to explain to my husband, and prove it to him, that the phrase "Daddy's home" didn't mean the dog knew who daddy was.... it meant there was a car in the driveway.... made my husband sit in the living room, with the dog... I yelled "daddys home" and the dog ran to the window to see a car come down the driveway...LOL... some get it...some don't !!

Egg-flippin-zactly.

Stay. Nothing sticks in my craw more that "Sit. Stay." and "Down. Stay."

WTF. What does "Stay" mean to the dog that isn't already part of "sit" and "down"? Sit means sit till released, down means down till released. WTF does "stay" mean to the dog? :roflmao:

People are :dork:.

I only use stay as a single word command... a replacement for "stand".

:rolleyes: Silly humanses.
 

PrepH4U

New Member
That's so funny, I had to explain to my husband, and prove it to him, that the phrase "Daddy's home" didn't mean the dog knew who daddy was.... it meant there was a car in the driveway.... made my husband sit in the living room, with the dog... I yelled "daddys home" and the dog ran to the window to see a car come down the driveway...LOL... some get it...some don't !!

I taught mine to shake their heads no when I ask them if they want a treat. So when mine are hovering around the treat cupboard, I ask them if they want a treat and they say NO, who am I to argue with them. :lol:
Of course when I ask them in the same tone if they are good, they shake their heads no also. My dogs know themselves well! :killingme
 
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jp2854

Guest
when i say to bruno do you want a cookie she goes right to the coffee table and stares at them til i give her one. when i take her outside i give her cookies when she listens to me and does what i ask. she knows how to shake hands and give me five and she knows sit down and come and a few others. she even knows when i say lets go night night she goes right to my bed and hops up and goes to sleep with me. she knows who daddy and mommy are and she knows my mom when my phone rings and it says mom out loud bruno jumps up and starts barking thinking she is going for a car ride and when i tell her my mom isn't coming she continues to act like a nut til i get off the phone then she lays down til it rings again and says mom then she pulls the same act again. If my stepfather calls she doesn't do that but if he says lets go for a walk she is up and going nuts to go with him til he gets his jacket on and opens the door and once they get outside she barks her head off til they get off the property then she justchecks things out and explores.
 

TurboK9

New Member
when i say to bruno do you want a cookie she goes right to the coffee table and stares at them til i give her one. when i take her outside i give her cookies when she listens to me and does what i ask. she knows how to shake hands and give me five and she knows sit down and come and a few others. she even knows when i say lets go night night she goes right to my bed and hops up and goes to sleep with me. she knows who daddy and mommy are and she knows my mom when my phone rings and it says mom out loud bruno jumps up and starts barking thinking she is going for a car ride and when i tell her my mom isn't coming she continues to act like a nut til i get off the phone then she lays down til it rings again and says mom then she pulls the same act again. If my stepfather calls she doesn't do that but if he says lets go for a walk she is up and going nuts to go with him til he gets his jacket on and opens the door and once they get outside she barks her head off til they get off the property then she justchecks things out and explores.

And if you ring a bell every time you feed your dog your dog will eventually salivate when the bell rings with no food anywhere near. Stimulus, response. Stimulous, response. You dog has been pattern trained, because repetative stimulus provides a reward that releases endorphins thus eliciting certain behaviors. Your dog relates 'mom' to a certain person, ring tone, etc but has no idea the significance of the word.

I think you missed the concept here.
 

ArkRescue

Adopt me please !
If I hand my dog a shoe after saying cookie he looks at me like I'm crazy - of COURSE he KNOWS what a cookie is (well what I taught him IT is LOL). To him it's a shaped dog treat out of a box.

However I do understand what you mean. I saw your reply and couldn't believe you wrote all that? OMG it was like reading a book LOL.

If only someone could get this dog to understand what SPEAK means!!!!!! I've said it almost every time I've heard him bark and he still doesn't get it.

One of my relatives was a MP in the U.S.military stationed in Germany and was a K-9 officer there - he trained his dog in German. So I know you can use any language or word you choose to use. People who don't want other people to control their dogs will train them using different words.

:yeahthat:

that dog has NO EFFING clue what a cookie is... you could have called it tractor, keys, poop, pot..... and the dog would realate that word/sound to what was given.

sit doesnt have to be sit, down doesnt have to be down. (this is seen with dogs that are trained in different languages) right Turbo!

it all starts with letting the dog figure out WHAT you want from him.. and then you rewarding the behavior the SECOND it starts.... then fine tuning it.
this is why I like the clicker and find it works faster than telling the dog ... sit and then trying to MAKE him do it.
 

DosGattos

New Member
Browning will do anything for food. He is very food motivated. The only problem is that he is dumb and he doesn't get things very quickly. But, he tries really hard. And he is cute!:yahoo:
 

TurboK9

New Member
If I hand my dog a shoe after saying cookie he looks at me like I'm crazy - of COURSE he KNOWS what a cookie is (well what I taught him IT is LOL). To him it's a shaped dog treat out of a box.

However I do understand what you mean. I saw your reply and couldn't believe you wrote all that? OMG it was like reading a book LOL.

If only someone could get this dog to understand what SPEAK means!!!!!! I've said it almost every time I've heard him bark and he still doesn't get it.

One of my relatives was a MP in the U.S.military stationed in Germany and was a K-9 officer there - he trained his dog in German. So I know you can use any language or word you choose to use. People who don't want other people to control their dogs will train them using different words.


Try using a piece of cheese. And don't say cookie. Say some gobbledy gook with the same intonation and emphasis. Besides, that isn't the point... He definitely does NOT know what a cookie is. He hears a certain sound and associates that sound with getting a bit of food. A shoe is not food.

Training in a foreign language is only important for those that either want to have the 'impression' given off by using a foreign language (the "oh crap" effect) or because they THINK they need it so nobody else can control the dog. Honestly, he's stationed in Germany and trains his dog in German... because..... nobody in Germany speaks German? :roflmao: Just train your dog to only respond to you.
 

CRoyal

Infinite Impetus
when i say to bruno do you want a cookie she goes right to the coffee table and stares at them til i give her one. when i take her outside i give her cookies when she listens to me and does what i ask. she knows how to shake hands and give me five and she knows sit down and come and a few others. she even knows when i say lets go night night she goes right to my bed and hops up and goes to sleep with me. she knows who daddy and mommy are and she knows my mom when my phone rings and it says mom out loud bruno jumps up and starts barking thinking she is going for a car ride and when i tell her my mom isn't coming she continues to act like a nut til i get off the phone then she lays down til it rings again and says mom then she pulls the same act again. If my stepfather calls she doesn't do that but if he says lets go for a walk she is up and going nuts to go with him til he gets his jacket on and opens the door and once they get outside she barks her head off til they get off the property then she justchecks things out and explores.

...and this rabble is relevant how? Bruno is stupid, so there.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Try using a piece of cheese. And don't say cookie. Say some gobbledy gook with the same intonation and emphasis. Besides, that isn't the point... He definitely does NOT know what a cookie is. He hears a certain sound and associates that sound with getting a bit of food. A shoe is not food.

Training in a foreign language is only important for those that either want to have the 'impression' given off by using a foreign language (the "oh crap" effect) or because they THINK they need it so nobody else can control the dog. Honestly, he's stationed in Germany and trains his dog in German... because..... nobody in Germany speaks German? :roflmao: Just train your dog to only respond to you.

Thats the point.... hell... say cookie and hand him a steak... if he turns it down then thats ONE EFFIN SMART DOG. :yay:

Point... last night the dogs were outside and to get the fools in I said... "you want a cookie"..... well they were like hell yeah!! so I gave them pizza crust... sometimes they will just get fed... sometimes they get what ever is there to get them inside!!!

COOKIE = FOOD, SOMETHING TO EAT :drool:
DUH.. this is why if you hold a treat or food in front of some dogs they start to :drool:........ but if you hold a shoe in front of them they are like :confused:


...and this rabble is relevant how? Bruno is stupid, so there.

:lmao: you are my hero CRoyal!! (I was thinking the same thing.... sooo off topic)
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Browning will do anything for food. He is very food motivated. The only problem is that he is dumb and he doesn't get things very quickly. But, he tries really hard. And he is cute!:yahoo:

:smack:... he is not dumb :lmao: he just has floppy ears :love: (the brain doesnt turn on for a few more months :killingme)
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
If only someone could get this dog to understand what SPEAK means!!!!!! I've said it almost every time I've heard him bark and he still doesn't get it.

he will not get it ... dont tell him bark yet...

GET A CLICKER!!!

have him inside.... HOLD a treat and get him worked up... DO NOT TELL HIM TO BARK, SPEAK OR NOTHING.... the point is the dog needs to figure out the behavior on his own. The second he starts to figure it out "click him" and give a treat. then repeat....

its not that hard ... it may take a while for him to figure it out but once the behavior is there then you can mold it and once it is solid then you can give it a word.
 
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