Sentencing Phase for England Set to Begin

Christy

Christy

b*tch rocket
(U) I find that contrary to the provision of AR 190-8,
and the findings found in MG Ryder's Report, Military
Intelligence (MI) interrogators and Other US Government
Agency's (OGA) interrogators actively requested that MP
guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable
interrogation of witnesses. Contrary to the findings of
MG Ryder's Report, I find that personnel assigned to the
372nd MP Company, 800th MP Brigade were directed to
change facility procedures to "set the conditions" for MI
interrogations.
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Says in your report that she was DIRECTED. :shrug:
 
Christy

Christy

b*tch rocket
When asked why the rules in 1A/1B were different than
the rest of the wings, SGT Davis stated: "The rest of
the wings are regular prisoners and 1A/B are Military
Intelligence (MI) holds."
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e. (U) SPC Neil A Wallin, 109th Area Support Medical
Battalion, a medic testified that: "Cell 1A was used to
house high priority detainees and cell 1B was used to
house the high risk or trouble making detainees.
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:shrug:
 
Triggerfish

Triggerfish

New Member
Like I keep on saying, just because you were directed or even ordered if the act is criminal we in the military have the right, even responsibility to refuse it as an unlawful order.
 
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Christy

Christy

b*tch rocket
Triggerfish said:
Like I keep on saying, just because you were directed or even oredered if the act is criminal we in the military have the right, even responsibility to refuse it as an unlawful order.
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Oh please! That's a very easy statement to make when you have never been in that situation. She was damned if she did and damned if she didn't. She's a low level peon in the grand scheme of things, and I truly feel that when you start punishing soldiers for following orders from their direct superiors, you create an environment where every soldier out there is going to second guess any and every order for fear of being locked up, and that my dear will cost more lives than pissing off a few enemy combatants. :rolleyes:
 
Mikeinsmd

Mikeinsmd

New Member
Ok, I'm only 1/2 way thru and the race is starting. I bookmarked the site & will finish reading tomorrow am. With a couple exceptions: "possibly sodomized with a chemical light" all I see is they embarrassed & harrassed these criminals. I know that's not what Trigg & I are debating. I haven't arrived at the paragraph that says 60% were civilians yet. Even if it does, where is the proof?? They are going on the word of interviewed prisoners. Hell, I'd say I was a civilian too!! We'll conclude tomorrow Trigg. Cya all tomorrow....
 
Nickel

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Christy said:
:yay: I hope he gets his chance to whoops dey azzes. :wink: :lmao:
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My commando cousin has vowed to give him a little "extra" training (he's been to Iraq twice, and actually saw action almost every day) if he ends up being sent to Iraq.
 
Christy

Christy

b*tch rocket
And here's a goodie from the "Statement of Facts" section of the report.


18. (U) Accountability SOPs were not fully developed and
standing TACSOPs were widely ignored. Any SOPs that did
exist were not trained on, and were never distributed to the
lowest level. Most procedures were shelved at the unit TOC,
rather than at the subordinate units and guards mount sites.
(ANNEXES 44, 67, 71, and 85)
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Christy

Christy

b*tch rocket
The whole point is, so many of you are so willing to hang that girl out to dry and feed her to the wolves, when in fact, she was merely following orders. Right or wrong, that's what she was doing. And you as well as HS should understand that fact very well.
 
Triggerfish

Triggerfish

New Member
Mikeinsmd said:
Ok, I'm only 1/2 way thru and the race is starting. I bookmarked the site & will finish reading tomorrow am. With a couple exceptions: "possibly sodomized with a chemical light" all I see is they embarrassed & harrassed these criminals. I know that's not what Trigg & I are debating. I haven't arrived at the paragraph that says 60% were civilians yet. Even if it does, where is the proof?? They are going on the word of interviewed prisoners. Hell, I'd say I was a civilian too!! We'll conclude tomorrow Trigg. Cya all tomorrow....
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We have differences in opinion but I respect your opinion.
 
Ken King

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
It has been held in previous tribunals that when subordinates are directed to perform an act by a superior they have been found blameless. As to what I would say is the most heinous of acts in military history (the My Lai massacre) subordinates to Lt. Calley were acquitted or charges against them dropped as they had been directed to act by a competent authority. In this instance England’s supervisor, Graner, testified that England had been directed to take the leash and pose for that picture and others.
 
Triggerfish

Triggerfish

New Member
Christy said:
The whole point is, so many of you are so willing to hang that girl out to dry and feed her to the wolves, when in fact, she was merely following orders. Right or wrong, that's what she was doing. And you as well as HS should understand that fact very well.
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I understand very well that they taught me in boot camp about unlawful orders.
 
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