Sheetz in Great Mills Closes After Employee Positive for COVID-19

[Goldenhawk]

I'd call it playing the ' per capita ' game ....... like quoting more blacks are killed by police than whites ' per capita '

give me the total body counts thanks

Here's why I think "per capita" is more important than a pure body count.

• According to the CDC, the ratio of tested to actual infections appears to be 10:1. Let's use that number; some think it's even higher, but it's easy enough for now.
• According to the St Mary's Health Department, there are currently 274 active cases (total cases minus recovered and released cases).
• According to the Census Bureau, there are about 114,000 people in St Mary's County.

Putting those numbers together, there are likely about 2740 actual cases, of which 9/10ths are not "known", meaning about 2500 people are infected but THINK they're healthy. Given the 114K people, that means there is approximately one person in every group of about 45 people.

So if you go into Walmart or Lowes with a 200 other people, there's probably 4 of them that are infected and spreading their germs around to everything they touch or breathe upon.

We also know that the virus lingers in the air for quite a while after people cough or speak, and on surfaces for even longer. So it's not just those 4 people, it's the 4 plus whoever also was in the store in the last couple hours (air) or more (surfaces). So it might be effectively two or three times as many sick people were there in a short enough time frame to potentially get you sick.

This is all just simple math. The mere fact that there are approximately X sick people is far less interesting than putting it into a risk calculation, helping you make decisions about what size of gathering you might want to avoid, or which situations really would benefit from masks.

 

[Goldenhawk]

I'm gonna call BS on that, in a large city there are more potential carriers ...

do you want to be in PG County with 18,342 infected or Garret County with 10 or Charles County with 1362

You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with pure numbers.

With that said, I'd rather NOT be in PG County for a number of reasons, but if I'm gonna go into a packed building, I'd rather do it where fewer people are likely to be infectious.

 

[Goldenhawk]

I'm gonna call BS on that, in a large city there are more potential carriers ...

do you want to be in PG County with 18,342 infected or Garret County with 10 or Charles County with 1362

(For example, if I wanted to go watch a movie and there were 30 other people in the theater, or go into a hair salon in close proximity with 10 other people, I'm more likely to be safe doing so in Charles County than Garret County.)

 

[GURPS]

Here's why I think "per capita" is more important than a pure body count.

I disagree .....

and to switch gears, how many are dying ..... infected vs deaths now all this testing is going on ?

At this point, from what I have read, Covid-19 is no more fatal than the any other flu ....

(For example, if I wanted to go watch a movie and there were 30 other people in the theater, or go into a hair salon in close proximity with 10 other people, I'm more likely to be safe doing so in Charles County than Garret County.)

Yep which is why less populated places are safer then NYC or LA

 

[PeoplesElbow]

(For example, if I wanted to go watch a movie and there were 30 other people in the theater, or go into a hair salon in close proximity with 10 other people, I'm more likely to be safe doing so in Charles County than Garret County.)

I'm going to have to disagree with that logic. The folks in places like Garrett county interact with far fewer people on a daily basis than people in Charles county and each person is less likely to come into contact with someone that was infected.

For example West Virginia has a positive test rate of under 2%. I'd also like to point out in WV people are wearing masks and distancing and it is probably one of the safest places in relation to covid 19 to be.

 

[vraiblonde]

No ridicule is when you talk about bathing in hand sanitizer and avoiding human contact.

Isn't that what they're doing, and insisting that I do? (You forgot the cutesy designer mask part)

If you think everything I say is directed at you personally, that is also on you and you should examine your own motivations.

Testing is key because we can then get carriers of it to stay home and not pass it on.

So....house arrest for those who test positive? And you're okay with that? Don't foresee any problems? Test positive, the government confines you to your home? (While releasing convicted violent criminals to roam the streets)

If you tested positive would you self quarantine or would you give a crap?

Oh, I would totally be Typhoid Mary and hopefully wipe out the whole human race.

Did you want to have a real discussion? Because I'm not interested in a bunch of emotional outbursts and whatever shaming. I will laugh right in your face the way I do Stupidus.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Isn't that what they're doing, and insisting that I do? (You forgot the cutesy designer mask part)

If you think everything I say is directed at you personally, that is also on you and you should examine your own motivations.




So....house arrest for those who test positive? And you're okay with that? Don't foresee any problems? Test positive, the government confines you to your home? (While releasing convicted violent criminals to roam the streets)



Oh, I would totally be Typhoid Mary and hopefully wipe out the whole human race.

Did you want to have a real discussion? Because I'm not interested in a bunch of emotional outbursts and whatever shaming. I will laugh right in your face the way I do Stupidus.

I am asking a serious question, would you stay home if you came down with it.

It seems to me that you dont want to think about that.

 

[BernieP]

So you deny that there are more cases of COVID in places where masks and social distancing is mandatory? Because I can prove it.

I think you read that wrong, i was joking saying your logic, though not exactly scientific, was just as good as their logic, which allegedly is based on science .
Sort of like the logic they use after the party, "oh look, that rally yesterday caused a 100% spike", yet they tell us that it has a 14 day incubation period.
So how can something that happened yesterday result in more cases today?
Riots and protests don't transmit the virus, I guess the fire clears the air.
Church services do. I guess God needs to strike the church with his fiery sword or something.

 

[kwillia]

Testing is key because we can then get carriers of it to stay home and not pass it on.

If you and I are tested today and we get our results a week later and it is negative, that does not mean we are negative the day we are reading our results. If we want to ensure we are still negative, we would have to get tested again.... infinity.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

If you and I are tested today and we get our results a week later and it is negative, that does not mean we are negative the day we are reading our results. If we want to ensure we are still negative, we would have to get tested again.... infinity.

The idea is to test people with symptoms and people that have been exposed. Results come in about 3 days now, at least they do for the health clinic on base.

South Korea and Japan use this model and it has worked well for them.

 

[BernieP]

Then why are all the infections and deaths in the cities?

Because the population density is so high. You also have people who are living with more people under the same roof who have high risk behavior.
As in illegal activities.
Liken it to AIDS. Most people were not affected by AIDS, but I think the media loved it when that one person who got a transfusion was infected.
The primary affected group were people who were at risk because of what they did.

 

[vraiblonde]

I am asking a serious question, would you stay home if you came down with it.

It seems to me that you dont want to think about that.

If I came down with it I'd be sick, so I doubt I'd be out running around.

If I tested positive, I'd go buy a lottery ticket because that's some incredible odds.

Also, if I tested positive, who knows how long I'd had it and how many people I'd come into contact with by that point.

You're asking me to imagine a scenario that is extraordinarily unlikely, and what I would do in the extremely unlikely event that it happened. So I can just throw any old thing out there because I'm never going to have to put up.

If I tested positive for COVID I'd liquidate my 401k and give all the money to BLM, then throw myself off a cliff.

How's that?

Now answer my serious question:

What would you do if you tested positive for being gay? Which is more likely because there are significantly more gay people in America than COVID positive ones. So what would you do?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

If I came down with it I'd be sick, so I doubt I'd be out running around.

If I tested positive, I'd go buy a lottery ticket because that's some incredible odds.

Also, if I tested positive, who knows how long I'd had it and how many people I'd come into contact with by that point.

You're asking me to imagine a scenario that is extraordinarily unlikely, and what I would do in the extremely unlikely event that it happened. So I can just throw any old thing out there because I'm never going to have to put up.

If I tested positive for COVID I'd liquidate my 401k and give all the money to BLM, then throw myself off a cliff.

How's that?

Now answer my serious question:

What would you do if you tested positive for being gay? Which is more likely because there are significantly more gay people in America than COVID positive ones. So what would you do?

So you won't actually answer. Talk about a stupid emotional outburst.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I think you read that wrong, i was joking saying your logic, though not exactly scientific, was just as good as their logic, which allegedly is based on science .
Sort of like the logic they use after the party, "oh look, that rally yesterday caused a 100% spike", yet they tell us that it has a 14 day incubation period.
So how can something that happened yesterday result in more cases today?
Riots and protests don't transmit the virus, I guess the fire clears the air.
Church services do. I guess God needs to strike the church with his fiery sword or something.

It's a 2-14 day incubation period with 97% by day 11, so that is a very stupid statement by the media.

 

[vraiblonde]

Because the population density is so high. You also have people who are living with more people under the same roof who have high risk behavior.
As in illegal activities.
Liken it to AIDS. Most people were not affected by AIDS, but I think the media loved it when that one person who got a transfusion was infected.
The primary affected group were people who were at risk because of what they did.

GH is trying to say that there is a bigger risk in the small towns (where there are very few cases and humans to catch it from) rather than the large cities (which have much larger COVID numbers and all kinds of people to catch it from). I was simply pointing out the absurdity of that claim.

Your point about AIDS is spot on. I remember well that we were all supposed to die of AIDS back in the 80s/90s, then it turned out that the only way I personally would be less likely to contract HIV is if I became a lesbian. Gay men and IV druggies made up like 95% of all HIV cases. The CDC advised even married couples to wear a condom during sex, then it turned out that a monogamous heterosexual is more likely to be abducted by aliens than contract HIV.

This is why I don't believe anything these people say - because they lie to further their agenda.

 

[mitzi]

 

[vraiblonde]

So you won't actually answer. Talk about a stupid emotional outburst.

Not sure how calm logic is an "emotional outburst" in your mind, but okay.

My answer remains " If I tested positive for COVID I'd liquidate my 401k and give all the money to BLM, then throw myself off a cliff. "

 

[vraiblonde]

It's a 2-14 day incubation period with 97% by day 11, so that is a very stupid statement by the media.

So that's a stupid statement by the media, but you believe the other stupid statements they make?

How does that work, exactly?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

And people do care about cancer and heart disease deaths. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone wearing something pink in support of the Susan B Komen foundation. These threats have been with us for a very long time and we are fighting them. Covid 19 is a new threat that we are still learning. Remember the point about science evolving and "the science is not settled"?

Being mad about the guidelines changing is an emotional response that I've seen people talk about when replying to Al Gore BS but they can't accept the same thing when it actually affects them.

How many of you think the line "the science is settled is BS? But are upset whenever the CDC changes guidelines?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

So that's a stupid statement by the media, but you believe the other stupid statements they make?

How does that work, exactly?

Which ones do I believe came from the media and not the CDC?