Remember the part where I said "I bought into it"? I wanted to believe there was someone who could make it all better. It makes more sense to want some deity in your life and make it all better, than not.
I've always thought that there is something incredibly wrong with a group of people who claim to be so righteous, yet are the biggest group of unrighteous hypocrite's I've ever encountered, then claim human imperfection for their behavior, and that they are forgiven because they are christian and prayed for forgiveness. This logic doesn't work for me.
So, I kept reading until I found what I had been looking for all along. The truth. See, in my eyes I haven't fallen away from anything. In my eyes, I have found the truth. I'm the only one responsible for my life, and my actions.
While your "truth" is true, there's more needed. As far as "making it all better", you needed to allow God to do things His way and in His time. Most people don't want to wait on Him. (I'll be the first to admit that he works on a much slower time frame than I'd like). I don't know what you asked for or how long you waited for it but sometimes God keeps people where they DON'T want to be for His own reasons. Not always fun, I'll admit.
And while I agree with the unrighteous hypocrate line, you can't broadbrush all of us Christians unless you've experienced it from us all. Thanks for your answers mAlice.
I'm a non-believer and I have a wonderful Dad and had a wonderful childhood.
I didn't say it was true for ALL people!
Using their logic, Joseph Smith existed, therefore the Book of Mormon MUST be true!
Please show me where any of the cities, the coins mentioned or other artifacts spoken of in the book of Mormon have ever been found...That's proof enough w/o the Bible. For a man who thinks he's soo smart, you surely missed the correct source of evidence.
Then you have some of the zealots like Italian Stallion or whatever that say it is absolute truth and that there is "proof" it's true, just as there is "proof" that the book of Mormon is false. It's those people who I think are full of crap.
As far as the years and dates and all of that stuff, I think it's all out of whack. We know the earth is older than what has been said. Even if you argue that mankind was only around for the 6000 years of the bible, you'd still be wrong. The ages presented from the old testament are inaccurate, just as the days of creation are inaccurately timed too. I think years were calculated differently, the days were just standing for periods of time and not actual days, and time wasn't an accurate factor for large portions of those books.
Thanks for the nice compliments! I love how you (and others) come in here and speak against what God says the truth is. YOU of all people, since we almost believe in the same God.
How do "WE KNOW that "the earth is older than what has been said"? Any proof? Were you there from the beginning?
"I think" doesn't make it according to mAlice, Bob, Irish Eyes, etc., they need scientific proof...you know, MAN'S word over God's words. (btw, the Christmas thread has died so being
shouldn't matter).
And believing or not believing in those other beings that you mentioned (Santa, tooth fairy, etc) will not make a hill of beans difference in anyone's eternal life. The only one that we need to believe in, that is of any importance and can save us from an eternity of sadness, is the One that most here argue against. The Bible said it would happen at the end; Imagine that, Bob...
You're arguing backwards. YOU made a claim that Jesus, as Son of God, is fictional. To prove it, you rely on your belief that He is not, and your questions about the validity of other portions of the Bible, as your "facts", your "proof".
I am not claiming there is proof of any of the things you stated. YOU made the claim that Jesus's role as Savior is fictional. You make the claim, you must back it up with proof.
When you have none, it reverts to "faith". You have faith the He is not, I have faith that He is. Neither of us can prove it. One person saying they can't prove the bacteria on the hand is no better than the other using it as proof - it's not proof of God's existence nor proof of lack of existence. It's a meaningless argument.
YOU made the claim that Jesus, as Son of God, as Savior, is fictional. All I'm trying to get you to admit to is that your opinion is just that, opinion. You BELIEVE He is fictional in that role, it's not actually fiction.
Bob knows more than God, didn't you know that?
Are you... serious? I typed all that out and it seems you STILL managed to miss the point.
You're in a very dangerous position putting science before the One who created it. Science & God can co-exist nicely at times but there are times when science will be and is wrong. You depend on science for the burning bush analogy and those others but, when you lock God out (as you did), you can't always have a correct conclusion. It LOOKS correct from a human viewpoint but to discount it as impossible, is wrong. The same with Jesus being 3 days dead analogy. But hey, you are entitled to your own beliefs so rock on...
Bob's a generally good person, from what I've read on here. But, like most anti-religious people, he can be a bit, well, dishonest about the argument. He makes claims that he can't back up, he puts words in the mouth of the religious so he can then argue against the words he wants to argue against (instead of the argument being made), etc.
It's not so much "dishonesty" as it is his claim of knowledge of something that he has little to no knowledge of...
All things are possible with God but to say that God can't make a bush burn for hours without consumption or a stone talk or raise dead people back to life is blasphemy. But hey, he's completely within his rights to believe what he wants. He'll be a long time wishing he hadn't.
God confounds the wisdom of the wise. He makes the intelligent look foolish for the very reason that He knew they would think they were smarter than He and be led astray. Many try too hard to disprove God or even understand His ways. I've learned more by just reading and cross referencing verses, than I do when I go deep into the Hebrew & Greek. Child like faith is all it takes (without blind foolish faith). Yes, some of the things mentioned in the Bible SEEM far fetched but..."holy Mormon underwear"???? Just sayin...
