Sick Bastard...

[hvp05]

what these folks have come across in these kinds of situations.

And there is no training that can prepare an officer whatsoever.

Officers, paramedics and doctors - among others - all occupy positions where they must push aside and compartmentalize their emotions. But, certainly, there are occasions where such instincts are simply unblockable.

 

[bresamil]

Time for the wood chipper.

 

[Mousebaby]

I say tie them naked to a cars bumper and drag them through the streets slowly till they are dead. Maybe that will give them a taste of some of the pain they have caused!!

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Of course this man and the women sicko's that enabled him should face the death penalty. They wont though.

Just a note to inform you that today Martin O'Malley the democrat liberal Baltimore Mayor, that Maryland voters placed in the Governors mansion has come out against the death penalty in Maryland.

 

[hvp05]

I say tie them naked to a cars bumper and drag them through the streets slowly till they are dead. Maybe that will give them a taste of some of the pain they have caused!!

I'd say a steel pipe forced into as many orifices as possible would be a little more apropos.

 

[CMC122]

Why can't we have the death penalty for people like these. No waiting. Immediate. These are some sick SOB's.

 

[Penn]

Personally, I don't understand why, as a country, we can't bring power to bear on our state legislatures to make the penalty for this type of crime punishable by death.

How many times do we have to hear it; tune in on the news and see an Amber Alert, that another innocent child has been abducted - worse - killed, by yet another of these twisted people?

Are we that politically correct that we can't understand "an eye for an eye"?

 

[Dougstermd]

Personally, I don't understand why, as a country, we can't bring power to bear on our state legislatures to make the penalty for this type of crime punishable by death.

How many times do we have to hear it; tune in on the news and see an Amber Alert, that another innocent child has been abducted - worse - killed, by yet another of these twisted people?

Are we that politically correct that we can't understand "an eye for an eye"?

unfortuantely for every three of us that pro death peanalty! There is a a tree hugger activist that gets heard over us.

democracy at its finest

 

[meangirl]

Time for the wood chipper.

While he is alive. Feet first.

 

[Penn]

unfortuantely for every three of us that pro death peanalty! There is a a tree hugger activist that gets heard over us.

democracy at its finest

Yeah, isn't that the truth.

And yet, these kinds of abuses are happening just about everyday. It almost seems like the laws and case studies that defense attorneys cite in court, in this country, are slanted more towards the perpetrator, than they are for the victims.

I really - feel if you commit a crime like this, against an innocent kid, you have no right to go on living.

 

[Lenny]

Bad thing about that is the sick bastard goes to jail and we'll be feeding and caring him for the rest of his life....Shame he can't be turned over to the parents of the children.....

Yeah, like Jeffrey Dahmer got warehoused for years. Somone will do the right thing in the showers one night, very late.

 

[Pandora]

Explain something to me….

I don’t get this. In Maryland, O’Malley says that to enforce the death penalty cost the tax payers money that could be better spent elsewhere and that he is more for life without parole.

Is this because of the appeals process and wouldn’t it be just costly when they continually appeal a life without parole sentence?

I don’t understand this rational. :shrug: Shouldn’t we change the process of appeals, if that is what is so costly, instead of making a decision that benefits the offender?

 

[Pandora]

I don’t want to start another thread and it seems this thread is about sex offenders and the death penalty :shrug:, but I was wondering what people’s opinions were about this......

Under pressure to keep off the streets violent sexual predators who are likely to strike again, several states have authorized "civil commitments," the confinement of sex offenders to mental health facilities after they've completed their prison sentences. The Supreme Court has upheld civil commitments, yet they remain controversial. The ACLU says such confinement violates an offender's civil rights. Others say it's a bad idea to mix violent sexual predators with people who have severe mental disorders. Many law enforcement officials say civil commitments are better than taking a chance on repeat offenses, which can run as high as 70 percent and sometimes results in murder.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202874,00.html

Are civil commitments okay if they're shown to protect society?

 

[hvp05]

How many times do we have to hear it; tune in on the news and see an Amber Alert, that another innocent child has been abducted - worse - killed, by yet another of these twisted people?

Sorry to say, but the DP will not be a deterrent for these people. Molesting a child is a different kind of crime than, say, carjacking, robbery, etc. The latter are learned behaviors and committed by people that are likely - from a mental standpoint - normal. The former are committed by people that have some kind of internal pull or drive to do what they do. Researchers are still trying to uncover what that force is, but it is obviously powerful.

This is why the molester recidivism rate is so alarmingly high. A carjacker can, theoretically, simply stop committing his crimes. He can say, "I won't do it anymore" and improve himself. Conversely, for the pedophile, his thoughts are part of who he is. They can stop, but the thoughts and feelings never actually disappear.

Are we that politically correct that we can't understand "an eye for an eye"?

I don't know that that phrase is quite on target. Regardless, I also agree the death penalty should be used in cases like those in the original post. I think the DP should be employed on anyone that is irrefutably a hopeless drain on and danger to society. If someone has become a progressively bigger problem over time, and they do not regret anything why waste the space?

 

[hvp05]

Are civil commitments okay if they're shown to protect society?

It appears the stats are on the side of those that support this idea. Like Penn said, I do not understand why folks immediately run to the aid of the offender. They deserve a fair trial and so forth, but why default on their side?

Others say it's a bad idea to mix violent sexual predators with people who have severe mental disorders.

If this is the opposition's best argument there is an easy solution: build entirely new, separate facilities for the sex offenders. (Possibly in the area of the main institution, but segregated.) I'm sure there would be little problem in raising the funds. It would be nice to see the government do something proactive and positive against such a horrible crime.

 

[Pandora]

They can stop, but the thoughts and feelings never actually disappear.

It is like this, say you are male and are attracted to females and I say to you (a man), tomorrow you are going to wake up and only lust after ONLY men. It isn't going to happen if that isn't what you are attracted to.

This is how those people are. They are sexually attracted to children and that isn't going to change.

I don't know that that phrase is quite on target. Regardless, I also agree the death penalty should be used in cases like those in the original post. I think the DP should be employed on anyone that is irrefutably a hopeless drain on and danger to society. If someone has become a progressively bigger problem over time, and they do not regret anything why waste the space?

If something like this happens in Maryland, we'll be luck to get "life without parole." O'Malley says no to the death penalty.

If this is the opposition's best argument there is an easy solution: build entirely new, separate facilities for the sex offenders. (Possibly in the area of the main institution, but segregated.) I'm sure there would be little problem in raising the funds. It would be nice to see the government do something proactive and positive against such a horrible crime.

I agree, the opposition's argument is lame. But, O’Malley will bring CitiStat accountability to tracking sex offenders statewide. As Maryland institutes lifetime supervision and GPS tracking, it will no longer have to rely on violent sex offenders to provide information about their activities. Parole and probation agents will have the tools to guarantee that offenders are living up to the terms of their release.

I'm more for GPS tracking than I am for civil commitments at the moment. If O'Malley thinks that the death penalty cost the taxpayers money, than he will snub his nose over the cost of Civil Commitments.

 

[Penn]

Conversely, for the pedophile, his thoughts are part of who he is. They can stop, but the thoughts and feelings never actually disappear.

["An eye for an eye"]

I don't know that that phrase is quite on target. Regardless, I also agree the death penalty should be used in cases like those in the original post. I think the DP should be employed on anyone that is irrefutably a hopeless drain on and danger to society.

If someone has become a progressively bigger problem over time, and they do not regret anything why waste the space?

I guess I'm referring to the really heinous kidnappers and abusers/killers of innocent kids out there, like this thread cites. I understand there are differences in the grade of severities of the crimes commited. But killing a child in cold blood, to feed your sick, twisted definition of power and control and domination - just because you can - merits your loss of your right to live.

That's just my thoughts, carry on please.

 

[vraiblonde]

Sorry to say, but the DP will not be a deterrent for these people.

Okay but, as Bruzilla's SIL so brilliantly put it, you don't put down a rabid dog to teach other dogs a lesson; you put it down because it's a danger.

So would we incarcerate a rabid dog or beat it or whatever? No - we simply put it down and be done with it. I fail to see why this simple and effective solution can't be applied to rabid humans as well.

 

[hvp05]

This is how those people are. They are sexually attracted to children and that isn't going to change.

We are in agreement... aren't we?

If something like this happens in Maryland, we'll be luck to get "life without parole." O'Malley says no to the death penalty.

I hope this guy serves only one 4-year term. I am fearful how much further he would limit punishments if given more time.

I agree, the opposition's argument is lame. But, O’Malley will bring CitiStat accountability to tracking sex offenders statewide.

I have always supported GPS tracking for "low-level" criminals. So that's good to know about O'Malley. However, if someone is a more active offender this may well not be good enough. By the time the parole officer is alerted, notifies authorities and the officers arrive wherever the criminal is... imagine how much damage could be done.

 

[Pandora]

Okay but, as Bruzilla's SIL so brilliantly put it, you don't put down a rabid dog to teach other dogs a lesson; you put it down because it's a danger.

So would we incarcerate a rabid dog or beat it or whatever? No - we simply put it down and be done with it. I fail to see why this simple and effective solution can't be applied to rabid humans as well.

Good analogy!

7 out of 10 will do it again, and the only reason they can say 7 out of 10 (or higher - I want to say the last numbers were higher) is that they were arrested AND convicted. What about the other 3? Did they just not get caught?

An average child sex offender offends 368 (I believe that is the correct number give or take 10) times in their life.

I am for ANYTHING that reduces (better yet), eliminates another potential victim.