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[BlackSheep]

From the Washington Post-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/01/AR2007070101511.html

"Mommy," she told her mother, "he hit me. Mommy, it hurts." How heartbreaking!

 

[BlackSheep]

So now stealing rims is a death penalty offense? I'm all for defending yourself and others using a firearm, but busting a cap in somebody for stealing rims off your hoopty ride? Sorry, but the shooter deserves the murder charge.

I beleive in responsible gun ownership as guaranteed by the second amendment. There is no right to kill someone for stealing property.

2006 Mercedes-hoopty?

 

[flomaster]

I miss the old days. I once caught a guy trying to steal my Datsun 510. he was under the car trying to cut alarm wiring when I was notified. I showed up while he was still there and with a couple homeruns with a bat to the rib cage he weaseled out from under the car. Cops came and asked me what happened. Told them the truth and they said "Oh so you found this guy lying on the ground and called the police?" I said "yup" and they hauled him off.

 

[BlackSheep]

I miss the old days. I once caught a guy trying to steal my Datsun 510. he was under the car trying to cut alarm wiring when I was notified. I showed up while he was still there and with a couple homeruns with a bat to the rib cage he weaseled out from under the car. Cops came and asked me what happened. Told them the truth and they said "Oh so you found this guy lying on the ground and called the police?" I said "yup" and they hauled him off.

That's the operative phrase-old days. NOW a day a life hardly means anything to the desperate’s on the street.
None of us were there when the car owner found someone trying to steal the rims off his car-maybe the perp was threatening, maybe he had a weapon, maybe the car/home owner had been victimized again and again-I believe I have the right to protect me and mine and "my stuff".

 

[beamher]

So now stealing rims is a death penalty offense? I'm all for defending yourself and others using a firearm, but busting a cap in somebody for stealing rims off your hoopty ride? Sorry, but the shooter deserves the murder charge.

I beleive in responsible gun ownership as guaranteed by the second amendment. There is no right to kill someone for stealing property.

I'm not one into accessorising (sp.?) my car, however, i have had the tags and hupcaps stolen. I am tired of hearing stories where people have worked(hopefully) to get things that they like, only to have or attempted to have it taken from them.

I really don't believe this guy intended to kill this bum, but oh well. Stop freaking taking what doesn't belong to you!! One less criminal out there to worry about.

 

[Fubar]

MMDad,
How are we law abiding citizens expected to distinguish the differences between the many types of criminals out there? Especially under the stress of seeing someone on our property trying to steal from you? We can’t just say “oh its just rims” he’s stealing and since he’s just a thief he’s not going to do anything else – let the insurance handle it - meanwhile your life could be at stake. Some burglars can also be rapists, some armed robbers are also murderers, some thieves can also be kidnappers…you get the idea. My main point is that any trespassing or home invasion can lead up to much more serious crimes and can be perpetrated by the same individual.

What if the thief was armed? It could have easily been the homeowner shot and killed if he was passive about it…after all he walked in on the thief’s crime in progress. What if the homeowner WASN’T ARMED? The thief could have easily turned murderous at that point. Yes this is more than just property being protected…it was the reasonable element of fear the thief presented to the homeowner given the unknowns of who the thief was, what he may have already done, and what he was capable of doing after that point.

You may think this is an isolated incident, but crime is pervasive and the thugs know that, thanks to the ACLU and others, they have more rights than property owners. You have absolutely NO idea if the thug was armed and would have shot him if there had been a confrontation.

As the old saying goes: Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[MMDad]

MMDad,
How are we law abiding citizens expected to distinguish the differences between the many types of criminals out there? Especially under the stress of seeing someone on our property trying to steal from you? We can’t just say “oh its just rims” he’s stealing and since he’s just a thief he’s not going to do anything else – let the insurance handle it - meanwhile your life could be at stake. Some burglars can also be rapists, some armed robbers are also murderers, some thieves can also be kidnappers…you get the idea. My main point is that any trespassing or home invasion can lead up to much more serious crimes and can be perpetrated by the same individual.

What if the thief was armed? It could have easily been the homeowner shot and killed if he was passive about it…after all he walked in on the thief’s crime in progress. What if the homeowner WASN’T ARMED? The thief could have easily turned murderous at that point. Yes this is more than just property being protected…it was the reasonable element of fear the thief presented to the homeowner given the unknowns of who the thief was, what he may have already done, and what he was capable of doing after that point.

You may think this is an isolated incident, but crime is pervasive and the thugs know that, thanks to the ACLU and others, they have more rights than property owners. You have absolutely NO idea if the thug was armed and would have shot him if there had been a confrontation.

As the old saying goes: Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's easy. If someone is threatening you, you have the right to protect yourself. If someone is stealing your rims, you have the right to call the cops, and to tell the person to stop. If the person threatens you at that time, you can cap him.

The story here is: person stealing rims, owner shoots thief. Not justified.

You're trying to read justification to shoot into a story where it isn't there. If the story was: person stealing rims, owner tells him to stop, thief pulls gun/knife/bat, owner shoots thief; THEN the shooting would be justified.

Obviously there could be a lot more to the story than what was printed, but rather than working with all of the "what ifs" why don't we stick to what is actually known?

Sorry, but without an imminent, real, direct threat to a person, there is no justification to shoot.

 

[MMDad]

That's the operative phrase-old days. NOW a day a life hardly means anything to the desperate’s on the street.
None of us were there when the car owner found someone trying to steal the rims off his car-maybe the perp was threatening, maybe he had a weapon, maybe the car/home owner had been victimized again and again-I believe I have the right to protect me and mine and "my stuff".

Are you sure this is the story you want to be using to prove your point?

More of the story from the Sun:

A convicted drug dealer interrupted a man who was trying to steal the tires off of his Mercedes sedan in a Northwest Baltimore neighborhood early yesterday and fatally shot him, authorities said.

Baltimore police and prosecutors said they have authorized a warrant charging Charles E. Brockington Jr., 47, with second-degree murder and handgun violations. Brockington, who was in police custody last night, is a convicted felon and is prohibited from carrying a gun.

 

[beamher]

It's easy. If someone is threatening you, you have the right to protect yourself. If someone is stealing your rims, you have the right to call the cops. Obviously there could be a lot more to the story than what was printed, but rather than working with all of the "what ifs" why don't we stick to what is actually known?

Sorry, but without an imminent, real, direct threat to a person, there is no justification to shoot.

true, we don't know all the details. justification--taking the car owners $hit! Calling the cops, will only probably get you a report taken to file with your ins. company.

i work to be able to provide for my family and buy/enjoy some of the things which i choose. I shouldn't have to second guess my purchase because of "sorry@sses", who think they will just take mine and i'll have to buy more for myself (or maybe the next person who may want it).

 

[itsbob]

Are you sure this is the story you want to be using to prove your point?

More of the story from the Sun:

So some stupid criminal was trying to steal from a bad-ass, and the bad-ass busted a cap in the nickel and dime criminals ass.. Is it wrong to find this funny??? It pays to know who your victim is!!

So we have a low level criminal dead, and a high level, convicted felon, drug selling SOB going to jail.. WIN WIN!! We need more days like THAT!!

 

[MMDad]

So some stupid criminal was trying to steal from a bad-ass, and the bad-ass busted a cap in the nickel and dime criminals ass.. Is it wrong to find this funny??? It pays to know who your victim is!!

So we have a low level criminal dead, and a high level, convicted felon, drug selling SOB going to jail.. WIN WIN!! We need more days like THAT!!

Don't forget that we have BlackSheep wanting to contribute to the defense fund of the high level, convicted felon, drug selling SOB.

 

[twobit]

I miss the old days. I once caught a guy trying to steal my Datsun 510. he was under the car trying to cut alarm wiring when I was notified. I showed up while he was still there and with a couple homeruns with a bat to the rib cage he weaseled out from under the car. Cops came and asked me what happened. Told them the truth and they said "Oh so you found this guy lying on the ground and called the police?" I said "yup" and they hauled him off.

You had an alarm on a Datsun 510?

 

[poster]

This story is tragic - no question. However, I'm just curious - why would anyone be "testing new equipment" on an ice cream truck no less at 11:27 pm? And then three women? Now, I'm a woman - so don't fry me - but I certainly wouldn't put myself in that position given the crime statistics in Waldorf these days...

Where I used to work off of Temple Hills Rd. the ice cream truck was not selling ice cream. All of us knew that truck was selling drugs and that was at noon. My guess, at 11:27pm they're probably doing the same. Although I would hope the police searched the truck for that.

This is sorry very sad for the little girl to end her life this way.
My heart goes out to her.

 

[itsbob]

Where I used to work off of Temple Hills Rd. the ice cream truck was not selling ice cream. All of us knew that truck was selling drugs and that was at noon. My guess, at 11:27pm they're probably doing the same. Although I would hope the police searched the truck for that.

This is sorry very sad for the little girl to end her life this way.
My heart goes out to her.

MAYBE they just got a new piece of equipment THAT day, and like the rest of us couldn't wait until tomorrow to try it out.. They get back home from their route after dark.. say 9:30 10:00 and go right to installing this new toy.. I've been known to be up at all hours upon receiving and installing a new toy on the bike or the truck..

i find it hard to jump to the conclusion that Grandma, Mom, and 13 year old daughter were selling drugs out of their ice cream truck..

Bottom line is, no matter what they were doing, an innocent unarmed 13 year old is DEAD, shot in the back...


People like this need to be tried in Absentia so we can start printing the "Wanted DEAD or Alive" posters.. i think the murder of a 13 year old should warrant a 50k bounty.. and hope nobody tries to bring him in alive.

 

[Qurious]

Where I used to work off of Temple Hills Rd. the ice cream truck was not selling ice cream. All of us knew that truck was selling drugs and that was at noon. My guess, at 11:27pm they're probably doing the same. Although I would hope the police searched the truck for that.

This is sorry very sad for the little girl to end her life this way.
My heart goes out to her.

get outta my head! I was just about to say that.

I use to live over in Wakefield (moved over to Carrington last spring). Rookshead is right next to Robinson place...so I know that ice cream truck.

I know for a FACT if you seen a ice cream truck after dark riding through the neighborhood or even parked with people in it, it was up to no good. Who in their right mind would rob a ice cream truck? How much profit is on that sucker for a day...not a lot unless with a creamsicle your buying some crack.

I'm all for Waldorf being a great place to live, but there are some neighborhoods that just need to be upgraded. Wakefiled is one of them...the circle is full of beautiful houses (all for sale) because of the drama in the nearby townhouses. But its all about who you put in those homes. Landlords nowadays because of the foreclosure rate don't care who they put in their homes....they just need to pay their mortgage...so if its gotta be a secion 8 tenant...so be it. Without doing a background check or anything....they'll just put them in there. If the tenant isn't working, what do you think will be going on during the day and night at your place of residence?

It is soooo sad this happened to this lil girl but I refuse to beleive that something "illegal/foul/trifling" wasn't going on.....

 

[itsbob]

get outta my head! I was just about to say that.

I use to live over in Wakefield (moved over to Carrington last spring). Rookshead is right next to Robinson place...so I know that ice cream truck.

I know for a FACT if you seen a ice cream truck after dark riding through the neighborhood or even parked with people in it, it was up to no good. Who in their right mind would rob a ice cream truck? How much profit is on that sucker for a day...not a lot unless with a creamsicle your buying some crack.

I'm all for Waldorf being a great place to live, but there are some neighborhoods that just need to be upgraded. Wakefiled is one of them...the circle is full of beautiful houses (all for sale) because of the drama in the nearby townhouses. But its all about who you put in those homes. Landlords nowadays because of the foreclosure rate don't care who they put in their homes....they just need to pay their mortgage...so if its gotta be a secion 8 tenant...so be it. Without doing a background check or anything....they'll just put them in there. If the tenant isn't working, what do you think will be going on during the day and night at your place of residence?

It is soooo sad this happened to this lil girl but I refuse to beleive that something "illegal/foul/trifling" wasn't going on.....

Summer day, ice cream truck. populated area.. yeah, I'd bet they would have no more than $2,000 in cash on the truck.. and apparently enough money to kill someone over.

Hell I'd have over $400 in my pocket from delivering pizzas for four or five hours.. an entire day of selling icecream?? $$$$$$

 

[itsbob]

Lets say everytime you stop you get five customers.. average ice cream is $2.. and you stop on average every 15 minutes.. you go out from 12:00 to 8:00... 32 stops.. $10 per stop.. $320 .. nope, not enough money there for someone to want to rob you.

And I think this is a REAL low-ball figure.. how many people buy enough icecream for themselves and their kids, so maybe just five customers per stop, but you could be selling 4 icecreams to each one. How many times have you seen only five people at an icecream truck??

Yeah, a little prior planning and strategic stopping you can rake in some serious cash, with very little overhead.

 

[Ponytail]

You had an alarm on a Datsun 510?

I know the story. It was justified. But I'm still

 

[Qurious]

Lets say everytime you stop you get five customers.. average ice cream is $2.. and you stop on average every 15 minutes.. you go out from 12:00 to 8:00... 32 stops.. $10 per stop.. $320 .. nope, not enough money there for someone to want to rob you.

And I think this is a REAL low-ball figure.. how many people buy enough icecream for themselves and their kids, so maybe just five customers per stop, but you could be selling 4 icecreams to each one. How many times have you seen only five people at an icecream truck??

Yeah, a little prior planning and strategic stopping you can rake in some serious cash, with very little overhead.

What ice cream truck are you referencing? There were pops on that truck for as low as 85 cents. nothing over $2 bux....

I dont know the route of the truck but I know in wakefield alone they weren't raking in a whole lot of cash because there weren't a lot of kids outside on a hot day...and if there was they weren't buying ice cream...that truck sold chips, candy and soda's....

 

[itsbob]

What ice cream truck are you referencing? There were pops on that truck for as low as 85 cents. nothing over $2 bux....

I dont know the route of the truck but I know in wakefield alone they weren't raking in a whole lot of cash because there weren't a lot of kids outside on a hot day...and if there was they weren't buying ice cream...that truck sold chips, candy and soda's....

The one that stops here I think the cheapest ice cream is $1.50, and they go up to $4.. And here they'll have adults chasing it around on foot trying to catch the drivers attention! Every time he stops there's at LEAST 10 - 15 adults looking to buy, and he probably stops every 5 minutes or so.