So let's have this discussion of gay United States citizens.

[Bertha Venation]

Originally posted by Hessian
Maryland doesn't issue marriage licences to Gays like almost all the other states, so why boast of something that is 100% illegitimate?

My marriage isn't illegitimate in the least; the fact that the gov't does not yet recognize it doesn't make it illegitimate at all.

Times have changed, Hessian. Gay couples have always been a part of our society. All that's different now--the only reason we're on the front pages--is that we're no longer staying in the closet. We gay people, and, slowly, more and more people across the country, are beginning to see the inequality that keeps us from our right to civil marriage.

And why should go back into the closet? There is no shame in our marriages. On the whole, there is no shame in being gay. You cannot force me to feel something that exists in your mind--something that is not in my reality.

I'm not interested in brainwashing anyone. I had enough of that myself, from young childhood to about age 25. IMO fundamentalist evangelical Christianity is a bottomless pit of brainwashing. I wouldn't do it to anyone else. Hessian, you're entitled to your opinion, and I wouldn't try to silence you. You're entitled to lobby your representatives to whatever agenda you think they ought to support. I have the right to do the same thing. Who will win? IMO, in the end you & yours will not be allowed to deny equality to any American citizens. I pray my right to civil marriage in the United States comes in my lifetime, and I pray that you will one day see that my marriage can do, has done, will do nothing to harm you or any other American or American institution or tradition or way of life.

I do have a question for you, to wrap up this post: you wrote

Keep agitating for special rights & protections and in reality more will come to despise the wicked movement.

What are these special rights I "agitate" for?

Okay, one other question, this one for anyone: Do you know the origin of the phrase "Equal Rights Are Not Special Rights"?

Originally posted by Hessian
Or...simply go back in your closet.

Not a chance. You don't have the right to force this wish on me.

(PS A "suicide pact," something you wrote earlier, requires two willing participants. If you go back & read the post again, you'll find the individual in question had a gun to my temple. Explain how that's a suicide pact.)

 

[Bertha Venation]

Holy crap.... I knew it could only be a matter of time before someone pulled the ragged, tattered, barely-holding-together "NAMBLA" card.

Educate yourself to the facts, Hessian. Here's a start: Answers to your questions about sexual orientation and homosexuality

 

[Hessian]

"I've never heard of gay married people trying to be oppresive, and they certainly don't hurt themselves or people around them..." ST

How about the billions of $$ steered AWAY from deadly & dibilitating diseases to fund the more politically correct Aids epidemic? Have you seen the spending charts?
MS which affects millions of people is funded far less than Aids...that again is the "ME first" agenda...and yes, that is oppressive.

"I don't care if others inadvertently caught/inherited some disease. Mine is more important than theirs is."...this is the Homosexual mindset. (Which we pay for)

 

[Hessian]

"I've never heard of gay married people trying to be oppresive, and they certainly don't hurt themselves or people around them..." ST

How about...
"Amidst all this was the continuing pressure on the Boy Scouts of America. One panel, which featured two representatives from the United Way of Greater Milwaukee, was devoted exclusively to changing the BSA’s ban on homosexual scoutmasters. The session’s leaders said they were not “attacking” the Scouts, but “educating” them. Nevertheless, they said they wanted the boys organization to feel the financial pressure necessary to force the change."

This was reported from a Gay conference in Madison.

Next>....

#1 In June, 2001, the District of Columbia’s Commission on Human Rights fined the Scouts $100,000 and ordered them to reinstate two openly homosexual leaders.
#2 In Broward County, Florida, in March 2001, the Scouts were forced to sue after county commissioners barred their access to public schools in the fall of 2000.
#3 The Ann Arbor, Michigan, City Council cut ties in August 2001 to the local United Way for its refusal to eject the Scouts from the United Way program.
#4 More than two dozen chapters of United Way have cut off the Scouts, and at least 359 school districts with a total of 4,418 schools in 10 states have taken action against the Scouts, according to the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.
#5 Former Vice President Al Gore pledged someday to use the proposed Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a bill to empower the federal government to ban discrimination based on "sexual orientation" in all workplaces with 15 or more employees, to force the Scouts to admit homosexuals.

This thread is going to get very long if you are still not convinced of the Gay agenda trying to be oppressive....

 

[Hessian]

Oppressive you ask?

"In Washington, D.C., homosexual D.C. City Councilman David Catania boasted in crude terms in July 2001 about how he threatened Salvation Army officials over their policy on "sexual orientation."

Recalling a conversation with a national Salvation Army official, Catania related: "I said this fa**ot [referring to himself] controls federal grants in the District as well as local and you’ll never see another cent as long as you live. I’ll subpoena every one of you mother [expletive]s and I’ll bring you down and I’ll turn my chamber into a national circus. Do we understand each other?"

I'm sure he meant it in an open handed friendly sort of way.

BTW, The Salvation army refused to accept the guidelines from San Francisco domestic partnership ruling and thus lost 3.5 million in funding....that is a lot of warm meals, blankets, clothing, and help that was not available thanks to the Gay agends.
But that really wasn't oppressive was it?

 

[SmallTown]

Interesting posts hessian, unfortunately it seems to point more towards the bigotry towards gays rather than oppression by the gays.Try again.

 

[SamSpade]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Interesting posts hessian, unfortunately it seems to point more towards the bigotry towards gays rather than oppression by the gays.Try again.

???Huh? I realize anecdotal evidecne does NOT prove anything in the larger sense, and I generally do NOT agree with Hessian on this subject - but - did you read what he wrote? This was a gay man boasting that he would shut DOWN funding because a nominally religious charitable organization would not change their (presumably Constitutionally defended) belief on gays. And they lost money, and some needy people went without, because someone was "offended".

I don't think this proves a damned thing about "gays" but it was a rotten thing for one person to do to people who needed help.

How does that say what you are saying?

 

[SmallTown]

I see it as something that happened in spite of, not because of being gay. I've seen quite a bit of arm twisting from just about every group out there.
If this type of thing is used to judge an entire group, I suppose christians, blacks, whites, jews, asians, muslims are also guilty as well... I guess we're all going to hell, except for Hessian.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SamSpade
I don't think this proves a damned thing about "gays" but it was a rotten thing for one person to do to people who needed help.

Hessian, for every story about some gay person being a jerk, I can find you 10 about a hetero doing something worse. Bill Clinton is a heterosexual. HIS "sex life" cost the taxpayers millions of $$$. Nuff said.

Former Vice President Al Gore

Another heterosexual.

What's your point?

 

[Larry Gude]

For crying out loud ST...

...no wonder your opinions are always a mess. You never do any research.

I guess we're all going to hell, except for Hessian.

South Park. Wanna know the facts? Check it out sometime.

 

[SamSpade]

Originally posted by vraiblonde

Hessian, for every story about some gay person being a jerk, I can find you 10 about a hetero doing something worse.

Ok, but you were quoting ME. MY point was the same as yours.

One person being an ####### does not "prove" a "Gay Agenda"
nor will anecdotal evidence EVER prove anything about a group they belong to. For all we know, this man was also left-handed, listens to country music and smokes, but it doesn't prove anything about those groups. (On the other hand, Catania's rant was in fact, specific to the subject at hand.) But it still wasn't a nice thing for him to say.

Hessian HAS however, proved another point which CAN be demonstrated by anecdotal evidence - the point made earlier that gay groups do not attack, oppress or in any way try to hurt other groups opposing them. All one has to do is cite instances where that HAS occurred, and the case is proven. He's done that.

I don't believe in a "gay agenda" because I don't see being gay as some kind of national movement, like, I don't know, boycotting *France* or Martin Sheen TV shows. They simply are, and a few vocal ones have been *******s, just like anyone else is capable of being.

 

[Hessian]

At what point...?

does the obvious come out and hit you in the head?

ST:"Interesting posts hessian, unfortunately it seems to point more towards the bigotry towards gays rather than oppression by the gays.Try again."

It would take but a couple key strokes and I could keep coming up with censorship, fines, firings...all because someone wants to hold to traditional standards of morality, law, and beliefs. The persecution is just beginning in America. I fear that "trying again" would still be lost on you because of inherent blindness.

 

[SmallTown]

Re: At what point...?

Originally posted by Hessian
does the obvious come out and hit you in the head?

ST:"Interesting posts hessian, unfortunately it seems to point more towards the bigotry towards gays rather than oppression by the gays.Try again."

It would take but a couple key strokes and I could keep coming up with censorship, fines, firings...all because someone wants to hold to traditional standards of morality, law, and beliefs. The persecution is just beginning in America. I fear that "trying again" would still be lost on you because of inherent blindness.

Wow. With all this back and forth stuff I forget... Are you pot, or kettle?

You obviously don't like gays and will look for any thing to try and show the world why you feel this way.

I just get a kick when someone that is so blatantly one sighted comes out with the "inherent blindess" comments