So let's have this discussion of gay United States citizens.
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Bruzilla
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Geeze Smalltown... why are so many people on this site so thin skinned? I believe I have said over and over and over again in this string that I have no objections to people posting information about themselves. So I'll say it one more time... There's nothing wrong with posting information about yourself!!!
The issue is that if you do post information about yourself, don't pi$$ and moan when someone who objects to your way of life criticizes you! If you want to discuss your military service, go for it. If you want to mention you're a cop, go for it. But don't whine when someone who dislikes the military or cops criticizes you.
The reason that I don't think that people should post their sexual preferences is that first, it's an intensely personal subject. Second, it's one of a very few highly emotionally-charged topics that's sure to cause consternation, and worse, it's a difficult topic to debate because the good and/or the bad of it are based on speculative science and suspect religious morals. Topics like this usually cause arguments that just erode into mud throwing and name calling because neither side can make their case conclusively.
Now, all that being said, if you feel a need to state that your gay, or a veteran, or a cop, or have slept with your mother's aunt to make a point or further your argument, go for it. Just be ready to take the heat.
The issue is that if you do post information about yourself, don't pi$$ and moan when someone who objects to your way of life criticizes you! If you want to discuss your military service, go for it. If you want to mention you're a cop, go for it. But don't whine when someone who dislikes the military or cops criticizes you.
The reason that I don't think that people should post their sexual preferences is that first, it's an intensely personal subject. Second, it's one of a very few highly emotionally-charged topics that's sure to cause consternation, and worse, it's a difficult topic to debate because the good and/or the bad of it are based on speculative science and suspect religious morals. Topics like this usually cause arguments that just erode into mud throwing and name calling because neither side can make their case conclusively.
Now, all that being said, if you feel a need to state that your gay, or a veteran, or a cop, or have slept with your mother's aunt to make a point or further your argument, go for it. Just be ready to take the heat.
I AM A HETEROSEXUAL!
Come and get me, fascists!
Hit me where I live! Give me heat for my sexual preferences! Call me names! Throw mud on me!
Come and get me, fascists!
Hit me where I live! Give me heat for my sexual preferences! Call me names! Throw mud on me!
Come on, guys, it's been 10 minutes. Doesn't anyone want to chastise me for flaunting my sex life? This is an emotionally charged issue here. Where's my flaming?
Really, then why does your old man fantasize about Mick Jagger when you two are doing the deed? Big lips or a five o'clock shadow?Originally posted by vraiblonde
I AM A HETEROSEXUAL!
Come and get me, fascists!
Sure doesn’t sound heterosexual to me.
Originally posted by Ken King
Really, then why does your old man fantasize about Mick Jagger when you two are doing the deed? Big lips or a five o'clock shadow?
She said SHE'S a heterosexual. She didn't say anything about Larry.
Bertha Venation
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I'm not so sure you do get the double standard, Bruzilla.
Suppose we're co-workers meeting for the first time. We stand in the coffee room indulging in a little chit-chat--where do you live, how long have you worked here, and, since we've eyed each other's rings, I ask what your better half does, and you ask me the same. You'd answer (if you're male) "she's an ...." And I tell you what my better half does--using the same pronoun.
I've just mentioned my orientation to you. Am I now talking about my sexual "preferences?" Have I revealed "my sex life?" Remember, I have exactly the same data about you. I know you're married to a member of the opposite sex. Honey, that tells me nothing about your sex life, something I'd never want to know about anyway.
Except in threads where the topic is explicitly political and somehow related to gay Americans, such as this one, or in threads like the one Vraiblonde started to ask me about my politics, I've done nothing more than mention something similar to that above. I've talked about Kathy a little, and in one thread I made a joke about not knowing how to wash men's underwear.
With posts like that, I'm talking about my sex life?
See, this is one of the things I don't get: why would anyone criticise anyone because of an immutable trait?
I certainly expect to defend myself. I'm used to that. For fifteen years I've been defending myself against accusations I shouldn't have to defend myself against. But discussing an immutable trait entitles one to criticise another for it.... that's strange.
Then, Bruzilla, you oughtn't get mad if I insult you because of your orientation.
You say you see the double standard but you think it's right.... because my orientation is outside the norm? Well, of course it's outside the norm. No one knows for sure but between 90-98% of human beings are heterosexual. That doesn't make us w/ homosexual orientation wrong or abnormal or twisted or perverted. It just happens that some people are gay; lots of people have been looking into it lately, but so far no one knows why. More people are probably left-handed than are gay; are southpaws abnormal? They didn't choose to be left-handed any more than you chose to be heterosexual.
You say you see the double standard, and you think it's right. I just don't understand that.
We may as well agree to disagree. What do you think? Otherwise, we'll each just have to keep beating what the other thinks is a dead horse, and that's not even interesting to lurkers. It's just annoying.
Bertha Venation
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Besides the fact that I'm a lesbian and refuse to keep my ass in the closet, I don't know why you have this personal problem with me, Hessian.
To answer your questions, let me ask you one.
Did you marry the first person you ever dated?
If your answer is "yes," then I wish you all the happiness in the world. You & your spouse are a rare couple indeed.
If your answer is "no," then you ought to understand that the first two women you've mentioned above were not my spouses nor my soul mates nor did I commit my life to them in marriage. They were the first two people I dated. Dated--not married. I married the third person I dated, and it's for life.
The first two women I dated weren't the right ones. Is that not why most of us date--not only for companionship, but to find someone to settle down with?
Originally posted by Hessian
"She gives me strength to live. She is my center and my rock. She completes me."
Is this what you said about your first lover...oops, sorry, she's the one that wanted the suicide pact with you..
How about the second? Umm..what fate befell her?
How about that third one? Is she still your rock? or just a pebble?
Um..let me think, is Kathy your present rock...does she complete you? Does that mean all the rest were off center? and you were uncomplete?
Incomplete work gets an F in my gradebook.
Nice pic.
Besides the fact that I'm a lesbian and refuse to keep my ass in the closet, I don't know why you have this personal problem with me, Hessian.
To answer your questions, let me ask you one.
Did you marry the first person you ever dated?
If your answer is "yes," then I wish you all the happiness in the world. You & your spouse are a rare couple indeed.
If your answer is "no," then you ought to understand that the first two women you've mentioned above were not my spouses nor my soul mates nor did I commit my life to them in marriage. They were the first two people I dated. Dated--not married. I married the third person I dated, and it's for life.
The first two women I dated weren't the right ones. Is that not why most of us date--not only for companionship, but to find someone to settle down with?
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Bru, I think what Bertha means is that everyone on here knows that Larry's my husband. We've both mentioned it several times. Steve and Christy are married. Tigger and TWL. CMac and Huntr. Sharon and 2A. IM4Change and capsfan. Not once has anyone said to us, "Hey! Quit talking about your sex life!" Yet Bertha mentions Kathy in the same vein and exception is taken.
Now. If you're against homosexuality, that's one thing. I'm sure Bertha has heard many comments from people who don't approve of her personal life - she's an adult. But you're accusing her of talking about her sex life when she has never done so.
Now. If you're against homosexuality, that's one thing. I'm sure Bertha has heard many comments from people who don't approve of her personal life - she's an adult. But you're accusing her of talking about her sex life when she has never done so.
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Kizzy
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I never make the list. 
Vrai, your forgot me & capsfan.
Sorry I interrupted; I really have nothing intelligent to add. But, I will say that this has been the most insightful post I’ve ever read on this forum from some of the most intelligent people. I didn’t realize that there were so many different viewpoints on the issue itself, and I’d never given the issue any thought before. But then again, I may just be oblivious to the issue, because I’ve worked with many lesbians in my 15-year career in law enforcement.
Vrai, your forgot me & capsfan.
Sorry I interrupted; I really have nothing intelligent to add. But, I will say that this has been the most insightful post I’ve ever read on this forum from some of the most intelligent people. I didn’t realize that there were so many different viewpoints on the issue itself, and I’d never given the issue any thought before. But then again, I may just be oblivious to the issue, because I’ve worked with many lesbians in my 15-year career in law enforcement.
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Hessian
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the Married factor...
remember when Amazing Race was on and they kept repeating that the gay team was married....They must have tried to drill it in a dozen time a night. Well guess what.
Maryland doesn't issue marriage licences to Gays like almost all the other states, so why boast of something that is 100% illegitimate?
If "we" keep saying it and saying it does that mean people will finally accept it even though it has NO standing in our society? Yep...that is the Stalinist technique--keep repeating it in the hopes that one day it will be accepted as truth....that is the true BS. Lies will always be lies no matter how many people accept it.
So...either decide to keep pushing the fabrication, the illusion, the falsehood...whatever and you will keep getting the intolerance from me. Keep telling us how happy you are and the veil of deceit keeps growing. Keep agitating for special rights & protections and in reality more will come to despise the wicked movement. Adopt children and screw up their heads to prove your point. (better to throw a millstone around your neck...)
Or...simply go back in your closet.
remember when Amazing Race was on and they kept repeating that the gay team was married....They must have tried to drill it in a dozen time a night. Well guess what.
Maryland doesn't issue marriage licences to Gays like almost all the other states, so why boast of something that is 100% illegitimate?
If "we" keep saying it and saying it does that mean people will finally accept it even though it has NO standing in our society? Yep...that is the Stalinist technique--keep repeating it in the hopes that one day it will be accepted as truth....that is the true BS. Lies will always be lies no matter how many people accept it.
So...either decide to keep pushing the fabrication, the illusion, the falsehood...whatever and you will keep getting the intolerance from me. Keep telling us how happy you are and the veil of deceit keeps growing. Keep agitating for special rights & protections and in reality more will come to despise the wicked movement. Adopt children and screw up their heads to prove your point. (better to throw a millstone around your neck...)
Or...simply go back in your closet.
I sowwy. Look now - better?
Again, why do you care? How is it hurting you? I just don't understand what the big deal is with something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.
What's going on with the Anti-Discrimination Act, anyway? Because THAT I had a real problem with, not people's personal lives.
Hessian
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"Again, why do you care? How is it hurting you? I just don't understand what the big deal is with something that has absolutely nothing to do with you."
This was the same line delivered against people fought to remove slavery...they came from the north where slavery had been outlawed for decades.
or how about illegal drugs...if you don't do it...why complain? How does it affect you if they do it in the privacy of their home?
Its the world view connected to it Vrai.
The "Me, its all about me" syndrome.
So what if society says you can't do drugs....I want to please me.
So what if society says you can't hunt out of season...I want to do it so there.
On top of that there is a concerted effort to discredit tradition, history, and Christianity-all of it is irrelevant, worthless, and antagonistic to this "Me syndrome."...thus it is an enemy that must eventually be defeated.
They endorse liberal interp of the constitution, Liberal justices, Liberal politicians,...and they demand they be allowed to teach our kids that all lifestyles are valid, equal, amoral.-WRONG
Thus....I do care.
(because its not all about me.)
This was the same line delivered against people fought to remove slavery...they came from the north where slavery had been outlawed for decades.
or how about illegal drugs...if you don't do it...why complain? How does it affect you if they do it in the privacy of their home?
Its the world view connected to it Vrai.
The "Me, its all about me" syndrome.
So what if society says you can't do drugs....I want to please me.
So what if society says you can't hunt out of season...I want to do it so there.
On top of that there is a concerted effort to discredit tradition, history, and Christianity-all of it is irrelevant, worthless, and antagonistic to this "Me syndrome."...thus it is an enemy that must eventually be defeated.
They endorse liberal interp of the constitution, Liberal justices, Liberal politicians,...and they demand they be allowed to teach our kids that all lifestyles are valid, equal, amoral.-WRONG
Thus....I do care.
(because its not all about me.)
SmallTown
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Slavery hurt people and was oppresive.
Illegal drugs hurt people and people around them.
I've never heard of gay married people trying to be oppresive, and they certainly don't hurt themselves or people around them... Never heard of gay married people robbing people on the streets to maintain their habit.
Illegal drugs hurt people and people around them.
I've never heard of gay married people trying to be oppresive, and they certainly don't hurt themselves or people around them... Never heard of gay married people robbing people on the streets to maintain their habit.
Hessian
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Now you've heard...
"I've never heard of gay married people trying to be oppresive, and they certainly don't hurt themselves or people around them..." ST
oh?
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