St. Mary's County $6 million School Deficit

MarieB

New Member
SB 1168 was a bill that blocked the construction of a windmill farm in Somerset County (to allow a 13 month study to be completed) which would be pretty much smack in the middle of the Atlantic test range. The thinking is that the windmills will reduce severely the effectiveness of a certain type of radar located on and only aboard Pax NAS. The next BRAC is in 2016-2017 time frame. If these windmills get built and does interfere with these operations, look for Pax to be on the BRAC list. We already have a fair amount going against us with BRAC, this enviro-weenie BS is just another nail.

I could be wrong, but


I thought the Navy weighed in on the windmill farms and there didn't seem to be an issue
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
The "solution" was to turn the windmills off when testing/using the radar but the height of the towers (600 ft) was another question mark regarding the effectiveness of the radar system. This is why there was a study to be done by MIT before the project proceeded. There are a lot of people getting rich in Annapolis from this deal and the money is coming right out of our pockets. Multi Billion dollar boondoggle.
 

MarieB

New Member
I'll have to find that report/piece and see if it mentioned the height. Off hand I don't recall

Well, that's a given - follow the money. Is there any wind project that actually generates more power than it consumes?
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
SB 1168 was a bill that blocked the construction of a windmill farm in Somerset County (to allow a 13 month study to be completed) which would be pretty much smack in the middle of the Atlantic test range. The thinking is that the windmills will reduce severely the effectiveness of a certain type of radar located on and only aboard Pax NAS. The next BRAC is in 2016-2017 time frame. If these windmills get built and does interfere with these operations, look for Pax to be on the BRAC list. We already have a fair amount going against us with BRAC, this enviro-weenie BS is just another nail.

NAVAIR will be BRAC'd, NAS Pax River will more than likely stay as a NAF.
Good news all those complaints about 235 traffic will go away and housing prices will be reasonable.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
Can you be more specific as to your thoughts?

I don't know where you get your news, but the current forecast is for every decreasing funding for DoD.
Along with the downsizing of the uniformed military the DoD is proposing a 15 percent reduction in the civilian workforce.
The Chief of Naval Operations is going to be looking to save money, he can have ships, airplanes or labs.
There has been a long standing push to go to what is called a "purple" lab concept. Similair to what the Canadians do, a multi service "Aircraft" syscom.
If the state of Maryland wants to impinge on the test range, the Navy might consider moving it out to California - you have ocean access at Pt. Mugu plus the Edwards / China Lake high desert for flight testing.
There is nothing that can't be moved or rebuilt elsewhere. I can show you a lot of abandoned military facilities that people thought were irreplaceable.
The airfield would probably stay open to maintain some flight operations. But the large civilian workforce that supports NAVAIR would be gone.

Not sure what specifics you need. Historically when the DoD doesn't get what it wants, it typically looks for a community that is more cooperative. Combine that with budget reality.
This is not a new concept, even people thinking that it won't happen here because we are so unique.
 

MarieB

New Member
Well, I wasn't sure what you meant by NAF or whether you were referring to specific programs, and isnt NAVAIR like pretty much everyone on base? I don't know all the lingo. I don't know what to make of all of this (is it political fear mongering to mention California? not by you, but by politicians) but it certainly puts doubt in my head about purchasing a home here until some things look a bit more clear. The article mentioned that the navy gave some kind of classified briefing to the governor. Is the navy requesting the additional MIT study?
 

BernieP

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Well, I wasn't sure what you meant by NAF or whether you were referring to specific programs, and isnt NAVAIR like pretty much everyone on base? I don't know all the lingo. I don't know what to make of all of this (is it political fear mongering to mention California? not by you, but by politicians) but it certainly puts doubt in my head about purchasing a home here until some things look a bit more clear. The article mentioned that the navy gave some kind of classified briefing to the governor. Is the navy requesting the additional MIT study?

NAF - Naval Air Facility, it's a down grade from a Naval Air Station (NAS).

There is no fear mongering. California has a large and effective congressional delegation. There are two principle aviation test and evaluation facilities in California now, Edwards Air Force Base and the Navy's China Lake (Currenlty the home of NAWC WD). Pt. Mugu is right on the coast and already does missle testing.
Unlike the east coast, there is plenty of restricted air space for doing flight tests.
Truth be told, the FAA would be nore than happy to see Pax River go away. we sit right in the middle of prime airspace that they would love to give over to commercial avaiation.
St. Mary's county appreciates the relationship with the Navy, that's why they pushed through the zoning that protects the approaches to the runways.
SMCBOC has done as much as they can to make the area attractive for the Navy.
But they are handcuffed by state law and it seems the real political power in Annapolis has another agenda
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
NAVAIR will be BRAC'd, NAS Pax River will more than likely stay as a NAF.
Good news all those complaints about 235 traffic will go away and housing prices will be reasonable.

:yahoo: I just realized that I'm now 100% in support of O'Malley's boondoggle wind turbine project.
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
NAVAIR will be BRAC'd, NAS Pax River will more than likely stay as a NAF.
Good news all those complaints about 235 traffic will go away and housing prices will be reasonable.

There is no BRAC scheduled in the future. Obama wants more federal money to give to his cronies so he and his Pentagon may be asking for more BRAC but they get nowhere. If the GOP takes the Senate in the fall, Obama may have to increase the price on all stamps (postal and food) to raise his cronyism money.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/414/3311477/DoDs-BRAC-wish-hitting-brick-wall-on-Capitol-Hill
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
Hello All,


I came across this video and it is relevant to our area as well. Some of our teachers who were hired 4 years ago have not gotten a step increase with increases in health care, they are making less than newly hired teachers.

http://www.upworthy.com/the-whole-p...america-explained-by-one-teacher-in-6-minutes

Thoughts?

There are engineers and scientists working for the Navy that have not gotten a pay raisee in 5 years either - and that's under a pay for performance plan.
See, even though their performance warrants a pay increase, the fact that congress did not issue a significant cost of living increase, keeps their salary frozen.
So, it's not just teachers, it's people with 20-30 years of experience, masters and doctoral degrees that haven't recieved a pay increase.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
And countless other folks in the private sector dont even get checks anymore, and many other either took cuts or haven't received raises in the last five years. Pssst, there's a recession on........times are tough, we are all sucking it up to some degree. Complaining about having to pay some health care costs to folks whose health care costs have gone up 20%-30% in the last year or two isn;t going to gain much sympathy.
 

glitch

Devil's Advocate
Just to be clear, the teachers aren't asking for a raise. They're asking for money that is contractually owed to them. SMCPS agrees to the step raises each year that they sign a contract with a particular teacher. I've actually wondered what might happen if the teachers were to bring a class action lawsuit against SMCPS for breach of contract. At the very least, it would make for an interesting case.
 
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czygvtwkr

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There are engineers and scientists working for the Navy that have not gotten a pay raisee in 5 years either - and that's under a pay for performance plan.
See, even though their performance warrants a pay increase, the fact that congress did not issue a significant cost of living increase, keeps their salary frozen.
So, it's not just teachers, it's people with 20-30 years of experience, masters and doctoral degrees that haven't recieved a pay increase.

Not sure where you are getting that info, but even with the pay freeze I make about $20k more now than I did in 2008 due to the pay for performance plan.

Without a yearly COLA the money that was allocated to step increases was still there. The very first year of NSPS had a rather large COLA so if you did well under NSPS you got a huge raise. The following years were much more moderate, this last year there was a small COLA and the raises were pretty decent.
 
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