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[cityboy]

Originally posted by tlatchaw
I can't believe you're equating this with race. Do you mean to tell me that homosexuals have been through what African-Americans have had to go through? Or Asians?

Were gays enslaved? Were they rounded up during WWII and put in camps for "protection?" The wrongs done to minorities in this country are far worse than the inconvenience of choosing the gay lifestyle.

To my way of thinking, lifestyle choices do not rate the same as those situations thrust upon our lives by the accident of birth.

I'm sorry you are wrong here. Gays were rounded up and put in concentration camps just like the Jews in WWII. Just like the Jews received the Star of David, homosexuals received a Pink Triangle. For someone who is trying to make a "valid point" you should get your facts straight!

 

[emmpeedee]

Originally posted by cityboy
homosexuals received a Pink Triangle.

what a cute accessory

 

[Nanny Pam]

Originally posted by emmpeedee
what a cute accessory

Can I have a pink triangle, too?

 

[T.Rally]

Re: Yeah. Ok.

Originally posted by Aimhigh2000
Ok, for T. Rally that says you are not born gay. I am an identical twin. My brother is straight, has a wife and four kids. I on the other hand am gay. Always have been, always will be. I don't recall ever making the "decision" to be gay. I just know that I am, and will be. So, even though I don't believe in religion, and I do believe more in Darwinism, fullfil my curiosity on how you know that we are not born gay or straight. I mean, I am the closest thing to having a clone.

Alright, this is my final post on the subject.

Its not for me to fullfill your curiosity. You have fingers and you have a computer, fullfill your own curiosity. You won't like what you find. For every study that says homosexuality is a trait there has got to be a fifty that say otherwise. As far as Dawinism goes, it is survival of the species. Survival of the strongest best models of a species by, ahem, reproduction. So, if one is born gay then one must be a weaker model of the human race because that individual will not reproduce. If one isn't born gay then one is just a deviation from what is natural.

Darwinism is not a homosexual's friend. Do you see the paradox here?

 

[cmdrfunk]

Originally posted by T.Rally
News flash folks;

A person is not born gay! Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait. It is not 'normal. On the contrary, it deviates (note the term-as in a sexual deviate) from the norm. Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule.

Quit believing the myths the pro gay establishment wants you to believe.

Um. Why did you quote me? I don't believe either way whether a person is born or adapts or just decides to be gay, and I really don't care.

You don't know either.

"Quit believing the myths..." What myths? You've shown no proof or disproof of either side.

Who wants to be in the norm if the norm means being the average dunce?

 

[cmdrfunk]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
So you don't think we are better off physically and mentally than say the 1500's or even the 1950's?

I'm as pro-technology and for societal evolution as the next person but as long as you have the same greedy religiously led retards in power it makes little to no difference.

 

[cmdrfunk]

Originally posted by tlatchaw
Can you see why I made the statement earlier about standards going to hell in modern society? If nothing is normal, then no behavior can be construed to be correct or incorrect. How far will you let society slip before you realize something is wrong.

Commander Funk wants me to get over it. I don't think he appreciates the fact that society is falling apart incrementally. It seems to me that modern America has many parellels with ancient Rome.

I view accepting homosexuality as a gain in morals, not a loss of them.

I don't see how me rubbing one off instead of going to a prostitute is any more moral than the other. Prostitution wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't sent into the streets and run lawlessly instead of safely and rationally with rules and regulations.

In other words, I decide my own morals. Keeps yours to yourself, please. In fact, I think that having children in this overcrowded, dying world is irresponsible and thus immoral, but I don't go around going shame, shame to all the parents.

It seems to me that the only things that makes society fall apart are corporations, government owned by the corporations, and the coddling that we do of absolutely everybody without making them take responsibility for their own little lives.

A morally corrupt society must eventually collapse on itself because it has lost its standards.

" Begging the Question
( petitio principii )
Definition:

The truth of the conclusion is assumed by the premises.
Often, the conclusion is simply restated in the premises in a
slightly different form. In more difficult cases, the premise is
a consequence of the conclusion."

With those sort of conclusions I can probably get away with saying that Christianity is what caused the fall of the Roman empire so maybe we should snub that little party out. We don't want the american empire to be destroyed by those heathens!

The sad part is that I really do sorta feel that way when I can't even see a boob for 2 seconds without nutty parents groups and christian groups crappin themselves and wanting big government to clean up the baby feeders.

 

[cmdrfunk]

Originally posted by T.Rally


The purpose of sex is to reproduce, the purpose of the pleasure involved is to bond, the purpose of the bond is to create a mutual co-existance between the man and woman so that their children are given good nurturing- nurturing required by both parents of both genders.

I dunno about you but some of my sexcapades have had little to do with bonding or procreation and more to do with gettin a good screw.



Not with all animals do both parents stick around, but they still get pleasure from the sex so what was the point of the bond?

(I still don't believe either way. i just question inconsistencies on both sides)

 

[Nickel]

Originally posted by cmdrfunk

Not with all animals do both parents stick around, but they still get pleasure from the sex so what was the point of the bond?

Aside from humans, bonobos and dolphins are the only animals that have sex for pleasure

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by T.Rally
Look man, I'm not interested in some study conducted by Gay Weekly or something. For now I'll stick with Darwin's Origin of the Species. Says something about reproducing and survival of the species. You should check it out, funny he doesn't mention homosexuality.

The purpose of sex is to reproduce, the purpose of the pleasure involved is to bond, the purpose of the bond is to create a mutual co-existance between the man and woman so that their children are given good nurturing- nurturing required by both parents of both genders.

Homosexual sex does not equal reproduction. Homosexual bonds do not create a mutual co-existance as each gender has its inherent duties.

Is it really that hard to figure out?

If homosexuals want to get together then let them. According to your take if they are not able to reproduce then they will eliminate themselves.

And where did the sex come into the institution of marriage. They merely want to be married. No one ever said anything about sex.

You pessimistic types. What would happen if gays were allowed to marry? I suppose the world would implode according to you.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by tlatchaw
Can you see why I made the statement earlier about standards going to hell in modern society? If nothing is normal, then no behavior can be construed to be correct or incorrect. How far will you let society slip before you realize something is wrong.

You see we as an American society have come to make rules or 'laws' to have our society abide by so that it is not chaotic. Other societies have differing rules and laws and this is one thing that defines a culture. To say that something is normal is absurd. What is normal? Define normal for me. Great thinkers and philosophers have tried to determine what a society should live and abide by. The truth is that nothing is wrong. Over time we've strived to see what works best. We've come ignorant to the fact that there are many other cultures out there besides the American one.

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by T.Rally
Last post by me on the subject.

If you believe a person can be born a homosexual, do you also believe a person can be born a murderer? That they can't be held responsible for their behavior because of something they couldn't control? What is the difference? I'm sure there are plenty of scientists who have conducted studies concluding murderers are born. Are you going to jump on that bandwagon?

I'll stick with saying homosexuals are not born. There is a mountain to your mole hill of evidence that proves just that.

This is another slippery slope of which no one knows jack. A great debatable topic though. I think it is somewhere in between. Many gay persons are born gay and many become gay. Just as many murderers are born with the mentality to murder but some murderers just murder after having a bad day or two. The scientific evidence can go either way and as I noted before no one really knows nothing at all. Just another question to plague the minds of many.

 

[BuddyLee]

Re: Re: Yeah. Ok.

Originally posted by T.Rally
Alright, this is my final post on the subject.

Its not for me to fullfill your curiosity. You have fingers and you have a computer, fullfill your own curiosity. You won't like what you find. For every study that says homosexuality is a trait there has got to be a fifty that say otherwise. As far as Dawinism goes, it is survival of the species. Survival of the strongest best models of a species by, ahem, reproduction. So, if one is born gay then one must be a weaker model of the human race because that individual will not reproduce. If one isn't born gay then one is just a deviation from what is natural.

Darwinism is not a homosexual's friend. Do you see the paradox here?

If you honestly think gay people are a weaker race then don't worry about them. Don't worry about them getting married. According to you they will cease to exist eventually. What do you care?

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by cmdrfunk
I'm as pro-technology and for societal evolution as the next person but as long as you have the same greedy religiously led retards in power it makes little to no difference.

Tis true.

 

[Racingwolf]

Originally posted by T.Rally
Last post by me on the subject.

If you believe a person can be born a homosexual, do you also believe a person can be born a murderer? That they can't be held responsible for their behavior because of something they couldn't control? What is the difference? I'm sure there are plenty of scientists who have conducted studies concluding murderers are born. Are you going to jump on that bandwagon?

I'll stick with saying homosexuals are not born. There is a mountain to your mole hill of evidence that proves just that.

Show me a study that proves homosexuals are not born that way. Please!!!!!!

 

[tlatchaw]

Originally posted by BuddyLee
You see we as an American society have come to make rules or 'laws' to have our society abide by so that it is not chaotic. Other societies have differing rules and laws and this is one thing that defines a culture. To say that something is normal is absurd. What is normal? Define normal for me. Great thinkers and philosophers have tried to determine what a society should live and abide by. The truth is that nothing is wrong. Over time we've strived to see what works best. We've come ignorant to the fact that there are many other cultures out there besides the American one.

Hmmm. Nothing is wrong. Interesting concept in theory. So Naziism wasn't wrong? And can I infer from your position about other cultures that America's culture is inferior to those?

We used to have what I thought was a pretty good culture (yes I know, there were problems, but overall pretty good). But several times a year anymore there are huge news stories about people that feel trodden upon and they usually are blaming me because I'm the evil white angle-saxon protestant male that is guilty just because I exist.

Did you hear that scientists in Europe think that the sun has been burning hotter than ever for the last sixty years? They think that it might be contributing to global warming. Doubtless someone here will find a way to blame that on me, or corporations, or Republicans in general

 

[BuddyLee]

Originally posted by tlatchaw
Hmmm. Nothing is wrong. Interesting concept in theory. So Naziism wasn't wrong? And can I infer from your position about other cultures that America's culture is inferior to those?

We used to have what I thought was a pretty good culture (yes I know, there were problems, but overall pretty good). But several times a year anymore there are huge news stories about people that feel trodden upon and they usually are blaming me because I'm the evil white angle-saxon protestant male that is guilty just because I exist.

Did you hear that scientists in Europe think that the sun has been burning hotter than ever for the last sixty years? They think that it might be contributing to global warming. Doubtless someone here will find a way to blame that on me, or corporations, or Republicans in general

Don't try and subject a part of history of one's culture in how they actually exist today. Naziism was in they're minds correct at that point in time. Now it is considerably different.

We used to have a thing called slavery in this country, locked up the japanese, killed off the natives and forced them to move in unwanted places. We had a civil war for God's sake! To say that our culture is better than anyone else's is just idiotic. I am proud of the culture you and I live in but I am not going to say it's the greatest that is or ever will be. That's like having an a co-worker come up to everyone in the office everyday and saying "I'm the greatest f*cker here".