Start the week on a little B-o-W violence?

[mamatutu]

And as discussed before, there's right and then there's dead right. RR did *something* to attract their attention. Legally, yea....he did the right thing. He has every right to be on the road, and the biker were acting like douches. No one is arguing against that. What we are, however, is arguing about what happened to lead up to the "mob mentality". That's what the RR did that wasn't so street-smart. Or who knows, maybe it was a bumper sticker that said "I hate bikers." Whatever. The point is, there were thousands of other cars who didn't get targeted. He got targeted. He did something that attracted that. Legal or not, that wasn't to his favor. Whatever it was, that didn't work out for him....


Tell me, do you think that he did nothing different than the other cars? If you do, then that is a fundamental difference in our view. If you think he *did* do something different than the other cars, maybe that's what the RR should not have done.

That is the strange thing, in the videos there were not many, or any other cars on the road. RR looked isolated. I can tell you that I gave the finger to two punks in two different sports cars today that cut me off to where I had to put on my brakes. And, that was just in my short trip to PF and back. If that is what it takes to cause what happened in NY, so be it. People have to take a stand against the thugs that are trying to take over the world, and don't think they have to be courteous, or abide by the law. If they had wanted to take it further, I would have won because I was in my 4-runner V8. BTW, these weren't bikers, I watch out for them, but same scenario. Also, I have yet to see any bikers where I live try to act like ass*holes.

 

[Bay_Kat]

Ok. Let me try this another way.


You're walking down the sidewalk. You see a group of 12 known gangbangers, all wearing red, all throwing up Blood gang signs. You have every right to walk right through them. I'm not saying you don't. All I'm saying is, in that scenario.... you might want to tread carefully. You might want to report them to the police, as you pick a different route. You might not want to just walk through the gang.

EDIT: You're also missing the part where SOMETHING HAPPENED TO PROVOKE THE BIKERS. They went around every other car. You think they just went around all the other cars, and then chose the RR to mess with?

I get that, but the RR was in the far right lane, he did what he could to give them room. He probably didn't want to get off the highway for fear of getting lost in a unfamiliar area. And why the heck should he have had to get off the highway? He had just as much right to be there that they did, so they are at fault for anything that happened.

What happened to provoke the bikers was that he was on the road that they wanted to themselves, but he had every right to be there.

 

[rmorse]

That is the strange thing, in the videos there were not many, or any other cars on the road. RR looked isolated. I can tell you that I gave the finger to two punks in two different sports cars today that cut me off to where I had to put on my brakes. And, that was just in my short trip to PF and back. If that is what it takes to cause what happened in NY, so be it. People have to take a stand against the thugs that are trying to take over the world, and don't think they have to be courteous, or abide by the law. If they had wanted to take it further, I would have one because I was in my 4-runner V6. BTW, these weren't bikers, I watch out for them, but same scenario.

My best guess is the RR came in on a side exit and accidently found himself in the middle of the ride. Look at some of Hollywood Stuntz videos on youtube.... they shut down the roads.


Look, I'm not saying don't give the finger or get in someone's grill to prove a point. That's fine. Seriously. Stand up all you want. Just don't be surprised when you do it to 50 bikers and you get your ass handed to you..... Would you have given them the finger? The biker gang in the video? If you would have, then again... that's not very street-smart. Legal? Yes. Do you have every right to? Hell yea. Am I going to be surprised when you get your ass handed to you? Nope.

 

[rmorse]

I get that, but the RR was in the far right lane, he did what he could to give them room. He probably didn't want to get off the highway for fear of getting lost in a unfamiliar area. And why the heck should he have had to get off the highway? He had just as much right to be there that they did, so they are at fault for anything that happened.

What happened to provoke the bikers was that he was on the road that they wanted to themselves.

I don't know what's so hard about this.... He shouldn't have to. You're right. But if he had, he wouldn't have had his ass handed to him.

Also, he wasn't in the far right lane, he was in the middle.

 

[Bay_Kat]

My best guess is the RR came in on a side exit and accidently found himself in the middle of the ride. Look at some of Hollywood Stuntz videos on youtube.... they shut down the roads.


Look, I'm not saying don't give the finger or get in someone's grill to prove a point. That's fine. Seriously. Stand up all you want. Just don't be surprised when you do it to 50 bikers and you get your ass handed to you..... Would you have given them the finger? The biker gang in the video? If you would have, then again... that's not very street-smart. Legal? Yes. Do you have every right to? Hell yea. Am I going to be surprised when you get your ass handed to you? Nope.

They have NO RIGHT to do this!

 

[rmorse]

What happened to provoke the bikers was that he was on the road that they wanted to themselves, but he had every right to be there.

If that's your argument, then please explain why they didn't attack every other car in the seven other video.

 

[Bay_Kat]

I don't know what's so hard about this.... He shouldn't have to. You're right. But if he had, he wouldn't have had his ass handed to him.

Also, he wasn't in the far right lane, he was in the middle.

The video I saw he was in the right lane and I'm so glad he got at least one of them, had it been me, I'd have gotten a strike and not felt a thing.

 

[rmorse]

They have NO RIGHT to do this!

JESUS F'ING CHRIST. I'm not saying they do!!!!!! I'm explaining the situation. That's what they were doing.


WTF is so hard to understand about this.


Say someone comes into the diner where you're eating. They pull a gun and tell everyone to get on the floor. Everyone does except for one guy. He gets shot.

The person had NO RIGHT to come into that diner and do that! The guy who got shot had every right to sit there and eat his food and ignore them!


That's your argument right there. While correct, that also leads to getting shot. Or pistol whipped. Or whatever. No one is saying the bikers had a right to do what they're doing.

 

[mamatutu]

My best guess is the RR came in on a side exit and accidently found himself in the middle of the ride. Look at some of Hollywood Stuntz videos on youtube.... they shut down the roads.


Look, I'm not saying don't give the finger or get in someone's grill to prove a point. That's fine. Seriously. Stand up all you want. Just don't be surprised when you do it to 50 bikers and you get your ass handed to you..... Would you have given them the finger? The biker gang in the video? If you would have, then again... that's not very street-smart. Legal? Yes. Do you have every right to? Hell yea. Am I going to be surprised when you get your ass handed to you? Nope.

Well, I haven't found myself in the middle of 50 crazed bikers, as of yet. So, I might have to rethink that finger! But, seriously, if you feel threatened, you will react. Whether, it is the right decision or not, it can never be taken back no matter what the consequences. It is a very sad situation; people were maimed, traumatized, and paralyzed. My point is, we have to watch out for ourselves as individuals in an ever changing, and more dangerous world. But, you and I are on the same page.

 

[rmorse]

The video I saw he was in the right lane and I'm so glad he got at least one of them, had it been me, I'd have gotten a strike and not felt a thing.

Good to know. Had it been me, I wouldn't have done something to provoke the bikers. I would have been like the thousands of other cars, and not provoked them. I would have been able to go home instead of the hospital. I wouldn't have sent someone to the hospital. I wouldn't have to be repairing my RR.

 

[rmorse]

Well, I haven't found myself in the middle of 50 crazed bikers, as of yet. So, I might have to rethink that finger! But, seriously, if you feel threatened, you will react. Whether, it is the right decision or not, it can never be taken back no matter what the consequences. It is a very sad situation; people were maimed, traumatized, and paralyzed. My point is, we have to watch out for ourselves as individuals in an ever changing, and more dangerous world. But, you and I are on the same page.

That goes back to the street-smarts thing.... I went to high school in baltimore. I worked in PG county. I've seen myself in the middle of 50+ bikers, both on a bike and in a car.

 

[Bay_Kat]

Good to know. Had it been me, I wouldn't have done something to provoke the bikers. I would have been like the thousands of other cars, and not provoked them. I would have been able to go home instead of the hospital. I wouldn't have sent someone to the hospital. I wouldn't have to be repairing my RR.

But what did he do to provoke the bikers? From what I've seen on news reports and videos, all he did was drive on a highway that they wanted to block which they had not right to block. Why should he be beaten for that? I mean seriously, we need to fear for our lives by doing something we do on a daily basis now? Can we say "Terrorism"? That's ridiculous.

 

[mamatutu]

I would like to add that I respect bike riders. I am a skeerdy cat, and have never been on a motorcycle. All my brothers had bikes in college, and all had accidents of one degree to another. I have said before that I give bikers the road and plenty of space. I think that they are brave super heroes for negotiating the road with 'tons' of cars. I have never seen them be discourteous on the road. Now, it is different when the individual crotch rocket guy goes down the road, going too fast, and weaving in and out of traffic. Also, one of my daughter's friends was killed not far from our house, because he was going too fast on his rocket, and a poor old guy backing out of his driveway didn't see him. I know many on this forum are avid cycle riders, and I wish that they all will remain safe.

 

[rmorse]

But what did he do to provoke the bikers? From what I've seen on news reports and videos, all he did was drive on a highway that they wanted to block which they had not right to block. Why should he be beaten for that? I mean seriously, we need to fear for our lives by doing something we do on a daily basis now? Can we say "Terrorism"? That's ridiculous.

I have no idea what he did. But something happened.

You're correct, he shouldn't have been beaten for that. It's not fair, it's not right. All I'm trying to say is, something happened that we're missing. Something happened to turn the pack of animals on to him.

 

[Bay_Kat]

I have no idea what he did. But something happened.

You're correct, he shouldn't have been beaten for that. It's not fair, it's not right. All I'm trying to say is, something happened that we're missing. Something happened to turn the pack of animals on to him.

Well, I saw earlier that some of the bikers have turned and there may be bigger charges than the original ones. The guy that did the "brake check" was charged with false imprisonment and other things. Some charges were dropped on the ones that turned, so there will be more serious charges filed. I've seen this on TV and can't find it online, so we'll see.

 

[mamatutu]

This whole incident made me think of the Freedom Riders that rode to DC from all over the country, just a few weeks ago. That was so awesome, and that is what true bikers are all about, and their patriotism was awe inspiring. Hopefully, this incident in NY will not tarnish the good name of many, for the sake of a few imbeciles.

 

[Larry Gude]

JESUS F'ING CHRIST. I'm not saying they do!!!!!! I'm explaining the situation. That's what they were doing.


WTF is so hard to understand about this.


Say someone comes into the diner where you're eating. They pull a gun and tell everyone to get on the floor. Everyone does except for one guy. He gets shot.

The person had NO RIGHT to come into that diner and do that! The guy who got shot had every right to sit there and eat his food and ignore them!


That's your argument right there. While correct, that also leads to getting shot. Or pistol whipped. Or whatever. No one is saying the bikers had a right to do what they're doing.

Amazing, ain't it?


PS; Yet another great analogy.

You've explained this much simpler than I did and I was thinking everyone would go "Ohhhh! Now I get what LG has been trying to say. Yeah! Now it makes sense! Larry was just using too many words."

But, noooooooooo.....

 

[Larry Gude]

If that's your argument, then please explain why they didn't attack every other car in the seven other video.

Well, it's obvious, isn't it? A group of bikers, most who probably don't even know each other, ALL got up that morning and decided the same thing, that today was the day they were gonna find that one elusive catch; a black RR with an Asian guy driving and his wife AND kid on board. And beat him up.

Not kill him, mind you. Just beat him up. Not rob him, mind you. Just beat him up. Not beat his wife or kid. Just beat him up. Not steal the kid and sell them on the black market. Just beat him up. Not take the SUV. Just...beat him up.

They looked far and wide and, for YEARS, for this one elusive catch.

With loads and loads of cameras, secretly mounted to the tops of their helmets so no one would know it was all being filmed, all to to capture the moment so they could savor it for years to come. Post it on youtube. Share the glory of beating up an Asian guy who drove that darn black Range Rover.

Or...a more plausible explanation might...I say MIGHT be...nahhhhhhhh...

 

[Larry Gude]

They've been saying that for a while, trying to paint a picture of a real church-going, kitten-saving kind of guy.

Yous see what this 'hardened criminals' record consists of?

Yeah, good thing he's off the streets. Cops were getting carpel tunnel from writing him up for traffic violations...

 

[PsyOps]

Well, it's obvious, isn't it? A group of bikers, most who probably don't even know each other, ALL got up that morning and decided the same thing, that today was the day they were gonna find that one elusive catch; a black RR with an Asian guy driving and his wife AND kid on board. And beat him up.

Not kill him, mind you. Just beat him up. Not rob him, mind you. Just beat him up. Not beat his wife or kid. Just beat him up. Not steal the kid and sell them on the black market. Just beat him up. Not take the SUV. Just...beat him up.

They looked far and wide and, for YEARS, for this one elusive catch.

With loads and loads of cameras, secretly mounted to the tops of their helmets so no one would know it was all being filmed, all to to capture the moment so they could savor it for years to come. Post it on youtube. Share the glory of beating up an Asian guy who drove that darn black Range Rover.

Or...a more plausible explanation might...I say MIGHT be...nahhhhhhhh...

And on the flip side… I’m certain the RR driver got up that morning saying to himself “I think I’ll wipe out a biker today. Honey! Load up the kid, we’re going huntin’”

Is there any rational expectation that this gang of well-behaved, well-intentioned bikers could have just done what most folks do when they get a little annoyed with someone, flip them off and move on their way?

The other videos provided show this posse was not just out for an innocent little open-air joy ride. The bikers’ behavior makes it blatantly obvious they left home with the intention of stirring up #### on the roads. They even went through the effort of giving it a name: Hollywood Stuntz. I seriously doubt the RR drivers left home with the same mentality.

Oh... and it was reported this morning on Fox that it seems two of the bikers were off-duty cops and did nothing.