Still think automated enforcement isnt about money

[glhs837]

Interesting. We'll see what this does to the systems. If I've been right all this time, then these places will simply remove the systems since the state has removed them as a supplemental funding source for the municipalities.

Damn, been 11 years since this thread. Can anyone tell me how many fewer injuries or crashes we've had in school zones affecting students with systems vs zones without automated enforcement?

 

[GURPS]

Damn, been 11 years since this thread. Can anyone tell me how many fewer injuries or crashes we've had in school zones affecting students with systems vs zones without automated enforcement?

I have seen more potential crashes as drivers rapidly decelerate to a speed 5 or 10 MPH under the Speed Limit causing a rubberband affect as other drivers come up on these idiots at speed

 

[glhs837]

Montgomery County? 11 million in revenue last year alone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/25/speed-cameras-dc-maryland/

Baltimore? 30 million

JFX speed cameras to issue warnings beginning Thursday, fines 90 days later

The Baltimore City Department of Transportation says that speed cameras will begin enforcing the speed limit along the Jones Falls Expressway on April 14. The cameras will issue warnings for 90 days. The warnings will be sent to drivers by mail. ALSO READ |Speed cameras going up along the JFX...

foxbaltimore.com

Salisbury? Over a million.

Salisbury collected more than $1M in speed camera fines: AAA

Salisbury collected more than $1.3 million in fines, good for ninth highest in the state. Montgomery County was tops at more than $15.9 million.

www.delmarvanow.com

Still raking in the collars.

 

[frequentflier]

Beware if you go to Solomons Island. Across from the marine museum, there is a speed camera enforced sign and a display of how fast you are going. The speed limit on the island is now 15MPH.
The four times I have been recently, I entered going 16 MPH and the display was flashing at me. Waiting for my tickets...

 

[glhs837]

Beware if you go to Solomons Island. Across from the marine museum, there is a speed camera enforced sign and a display of how fast you are going. The speed limit on the island is now 15MPH.
The four times I have been recently, I entered going 16 MPH and the display was flashing at me. Waiting for my tickets...

Nah. If this was joking, forgive me While the state has indeed opened themselves up to "special enforcement areas" like 210, that break the previous law that only allowed speed cameras in SHA work zones and within 1/2 miles of schools, it literally takes a an act of the state legislature to get permission for that. I suppose they could be using the Our Lady Star of the Sea for the school, since its exactly .5 miles away. But state law also doesnt allow citations for less than 12mph over.

The ones they used on Park Hall Road were reminder signs They even flashed red and blue lights at you if you went more than 10moh over, or so Ive been told

Heres where Calvert places them. And they cant change this without notification.

Speed Cameras | Calvert County, MD - Official Website

www.calvertcountymd.gov

Camera Locations​

• Huntingtown Elementary School
• Northern High School
• Northern Middle School
• Dowell Elementary School
• Mt. Harmony Elementary School
• Windy Hill Elementary School
• Calvert Country School
• Mutual Elementary School
• Mill Creek Middle School
• Cardinal Hickey Academy
• St. Leonard Elementary

 

[frequentflier]

Nah. If this was joking, forgive me While the state has indeed opened themselves up to "special enforcement areas" like 210, that break the previous law that only allowed speed cameras in SHA work zones and within 1/2 miles of schools, it literally takes a an act of the state legislature to get permission for that. I suppose they could be using the Our Lady Star of the Sea for the school, since its exactly .5 miles away. But state law also doesnt allow citations for less than 12mph over.

The ones they used on Park Hall Road were reminder signs They even flashed red and blue lights at you if you went more than 10moh over, or so Ive been told

Heres where Calvert places them. And they cant change this without notification.

Speed Cameras | Calvert County, MD - Official Website

www.calvertcountymd.gov

Camera Locations​

• Huntingtown Elementary School
• Northern High School
• Northern Middle School
• Dowell Elementary School
• Mt. Harmony Elementary School
• Windy Hill Elementary School
• Calvert Country School
• Mutual Elementary School
• Mill Creek Middle School
• Cardinal Hickey Academy
• St. Leonard Elementary

My travels have been in the last two weeks. Good to now If the camera is REAL, that I won't get a ticket for going one over!!

 

[glhs837]

My travels have been in the last two weeks. Good to now If the camera is REAL, that I won't get a ticket for going one over!!

Next time you go by, take a close look at the wording. And the box. Calverts cameras look like this...

Public NOTICE: New Speed Camera Location In Calvert County - The BayNet

The Calvert County Sheriff’s Office is announcing the addition of a new speed camera site.

thebaynet.com

And of course, they can only operate in designated schools zones that are clearly marked as such.

The speed warning signs have made efforts in recent years to look like cameras, like some prey animals will adopt predator markings.

 

[TPD]

Maybe we should just mandate dash-cams in every vehicle with a direct video link to a government agency with prosecutorial powers. Let's also add a 2nd camera showing the inside of said vehicle with the same direct link. This cuts out the middle man.

 

[glhs837]

on a daily basis, we see accidents with horrible effects happening on Deadman's Avenue, (235 )in St. Mary's County. Hollywood to Great Mills, fatalities, overturned vehicles, pedestrians.......

any camera work there???

Nope, not that they would make a difference. Its not speeding so much as failure to yield and idiots on cell phones.

Cameron proposed RLCs after one of our Commissioners lost his wife to a red light runner. SHA denied his application, and John O'Conner, who works in the industry worked against it also.

 

[1stGenSMIB]

Beware if you go to Solomons Island. Across from the marine museum, there is a speed camera enforced sign and a display of how fast you are going. The speed limit on the island is now 15MPH.
The four times I have been recently, I entered going 16 MPH and the display was flashing at me. Waiting for my tickets...

FYI - A couple corrections needed here:
Solomons Island Road South (otherwise known as Main Street) switches from 35 to 25 at the Marine Museum. One the way out, it goes back to 35 at the Verizon Bldg (Lore Rd).
All side roads in Solomons/Avondale are now 15. With the fresh pavement, all the Italian freaks are flying to La Vela at well over the posted speed limit on C Street (I keep a boat down there, and often ride my bicycle in the Solomons area). There were issues with speed in other areas too, so the speed limit was lowered before all the construction started (only by 5 MPH on MainStreet, it was 30 forever, and from 25 to 15 elsewhere). The flashy sign is a friendly reminder that the County put in. Even as a resident, I get the thing yelling at me once in a while when I am not paying attention.

Unrelated to Solomons, but a total error on my part getting caught by surprise..I was up in the Dorf a few months ago driving my wife to an outpatient procedure, and it was still Covid-Land enough I was not allowed into the facility, so off I went hunting for Internet access to do some work. I got caught by a speed camera somewhere apparently near a crosswalk that some kids might cross. I don't even recall the location..I got a picture of my car and a ticket for doing 12-ish??? over and that was that. .Sure, it is an excuse for a money grab..no cops, no crossing guard as far as the eye can see....just a camera in a convenient spot making a few bucks for ChuckCo...

If you want to meet a nice officer and get a handwritten ticket, come south down Rt 2/4 on almost any weekend morning and rush to the bridge..they are waiting for you...you may get lucky if you had an extra Starbucks in your cup holder!

 

[TPD]

Concerning red-light cameras and the candidates running for commissioner, Roy Alvey, candidate for SMC commissioner district one, stated publicly at the candidate forum on 6/29 that he is all for red-light and speed cameras. Not sure how much the commissioners would have to do with redlight/speed cams but just throwing this out there as people go to the poles next week to vote.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Gotta be honest...

I am all for RED LIGHT cameras at every single intersection on the major roads down here. Sure, we will see a temporary uptick in rear end collisions however, once everyone knows that they are there, you will see a long-term decrease in red light running and people making left turns through the red lights.

 

[glhs837]

Gotta be honest...

I am all for RED LIGHT cameras at every single intersection on the major roads down here. Sure, we will see a temporary uptick in rear end collisions however, once everyone knows that they are there, you will see a long-term decrease in red light running and people making left turns through the red lights.

Nope, that rear end uptick isn't temporary. And the decrease you do see in red light running isnt the fatal kind of runner. It decreases the people who run through the "all stop" overlap. The folks who kill are either to committed to thier speed or mentally checked out so bad they dont even know there's a camera.

 

[glhs837]

Concerning red-light cameras and the candidates running for commissioner, Roy Alvey, candidate for SMC commissioner district one, stated publicly at the candidate forum on 6/29 that he is all for red-light and speed cameras. Not sure how much the commissioners would have to do with redlight/speed cams but just throwing this out there as people go to the poles next week to vote.

Well thats guys off the list.

 

[Kinnakeet]

Of course! Why would I care about the facts you posted? They obviously are from people who have an agenda. Just because you post them and call them facts, doesn't mean they are legitimate.

Hemiroid did you change your name

 

[OccamsRazor]

Nope, that rear end uptick isn't temporary. And the decrease you do see in red light running isnt the fatal kind of runner. It decreases the people who run through the "all stop" overlap. The folks who kill are either to committed to thier speed or mentally checked out so bad they dont even know there's a camera.

I'd be interested in seeing some data that shows where a red light camera controlled intersection has seen accidents either remain the same or increased.

 

[glhs837]

I'd be interested in seeing some data that shows where a red light camera controlled intersection has seen accidents either remain the same or increased.

And there are others.

Red Light Cameras May Not Make Streets Safer

Fear of fines may fuel more sudden stops and rear-end accidents

www.scientificamerican.com

The thing to do when you are looking at studies is watch for industry funded ones.

Now, add in the fact that here in MD, there is no insurance notification, no point assessed, just pay your money and you are fine. And unlike an officer written citation, its a nice low $75 bucks. The reason for that is that automated enforcement industry spent 600K lobbying the MD state legislature and basically ghost wrote MDs legislation. Like any good parasite, the aim is to get the most money for the least pain, so citizens don't get pissed off and cut the money train.

 

[OccamsRazor]

And there are others.

Red Light Cameras May Not Make Streets Safer

Fear of fines may fuel more sudden stops and rear-end accidents

www.scientificamerican.com

The thing to do when you are looking at studies is watch for industry funded ones.

Now, add in the fact that here in MD, there is no insurance notification, no point assessed, just pay your money and you are fine. And unlike an officer written citation, its a nice low $75 bucks. The reason for that is that automated enforcement industry spent 600K lobbying the MD state legislature and basically ghost wrote MDs legislation. Like any good parasite, the aim is to get the most money for the least pain, so citizens don't get pissed off and cut the money train.

A lot of "likely" and "could or woulds" in that article but the only definite result that was reported was this:

" In one study in Virginia, red light cameras reduced the number of total drivers running red lights by 67 percent."

 

[glhs837]

A lot of "likely" and "could or woulds" in that article but the only definite result that was reported was this:

" In one study in Virginia, red light cameras reduced the number of total drivers running red lights by 67 percent."

Here's the keys. One of the major ways they like to report false success is by measuring the amount of infractions, never talking about the amount of crashes, you know, the thing we are supposed to be reducing with this tech? Also, sample size matters. And its easy to craft these studies by choosing intersections with different traffic characteristics. One reason I like the Texas study is the sheer scope in both size and time.

. In Southeast Virginia, eight intersections were observed over an 8-month period during which photo enforcement cameras were installed at three sites. To assess spillover effects, three other sites served in a same city comparison group. Two additional sites from a nearby city served in a control group for city.

While overall red light running decreased at camera sites, characteristics of the typical red light runner remained the same at camera and non-camera locations.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Here's the keys. One of the major ways they like to report false success is by measuring the amount of infractions, never talking about the amount of crashes, you know, the thing we are supposed to be reducing with this tech? Also, sample size matters. And its easy to craft these studies by choosing intersections with different traffic characteristics. One reason I like the Texas study is the sheer scope in both size and time.

I'd be interested in some data concerning something local. For instance, the controlled intersection at 301 in Brandywine (by the furniture store) I wonder how things have changed since the red light camera install there. I cannot remember the last time I read/seen/heard about any accidents.