Unfortunately, battery requirements will likely never be met. The military's who have diesel electric submarines have been looking for battery upgrades since at least 1981 and those batteries have never been upgraded with other batteries. If the militaries haven't found a way, most likely their isn't one yet.
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OccamsRazor
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glhs837
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Thats a pretty small market, though. Nobody is standing up an entire mining and refining infrastructure for that, where as million upon millions of cars, thats much larger pie. Ah, seems its more than "cant buy them". Theres a lot of engineering to be done first.
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Potential tactical advantages of lithium-ion batteries include the ability to discharge energy and recharge faster than other non-nuclear submarines.
Until that state made a very public announcement about 2-3 years ago that they were going to start aggressively going after people who were abusing the historic registration privelege. It was soon after that that at least two friends of mine who had used historic plates to skirt inspection reqts were busted for that. FIFY.
I'm sure the more aggressive enforcement had something to do with the proliferation of "historic" tags on junk/beater vehicles. I saw historic tags on a Monte Carlo just last Sunday, that was beat to hell and not even able to keep up with traffic and smoking like a freight train...LOL. "Garage kept and only driven on Sundays", I'm sure.
OccamsRazor
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See them every single day on the road around here. Just saw an old dually hauling pallets yesterday afternoon. More rust than metal with the inside overhead felt looking like a Turkish tent. Definitely Historic!
As for inspection requirements, can't people get a waiver if their car qualifies for non-inspection WITHOUT the Historic tagging? I see it as a way for people to NOT have to pay full registration fees vice just skirting the emission requirements.
Nope. It's the one-time-when-first-purchased full vehicle inspection that everyone I know running historic tags is avoiding. We don't emission inspections here.
I still see historic tags on beaters all the time too...that does not change the simple fact that enforcement against that abuse has increased and yr running them at more of your own risk than was previously the case. The enforcement seems to go in cycles that are measured in decades...a bunch of us running street rods as daily drivers back in the 70s were targeted for more aggressive enforcement of the strict conditions associated with historically tagged vehicle use. Running buddy of mine sold his '40 Chevy because of that.
I get your point. However, military use would have had application to civilian use. The USN not having a need for electric batteries may have affected our dev/engineering of upgrades.Thats a pretty small market, though. Nobody is standing up an entire mining and refining infrastructure for that, where as million upon millions of cars, thats much larger pie. Ah, seems its more than "cant buy them". Theres a lot of engineering to be done first.
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Potential tactical advantages of lithium-ion batteries include the ability to discharge energy and recharge faster than other non-nuclear submarines.www.usni.org
OccamsRazor
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Although, they don't seem to do much about it these days. Multiple people on the road (locally) that have them.
Hijinx
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That and the Farm Use only tag.
Although, they don't seem to do much about it these days. Multiple people on the road (locally) that have them.
uh..yeah...that's sorta the point of the discussion. Although the REAL money/cost they are avoiding is the cost of a vehicle inspection and all the repairs inevitably required to pass one. The cost of the registration itself is minor by comparison. Once you've been cited for abusing historic registration you have two options: You can appeal it...but don't dare get caught using it as a daily driver or utility vehicle again. Or you get it inspected and fix everything that fails. Buddy of mine has an E-250 Ford van that ran historic tags for years...daily driver for the most part. When they nailed him under the new enforcement initiative, it took him a couple months to get everything fixed, including a new windshield.
Hijinx
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The only time vehicles are inspected in St. Mary's County is when you purchase one, or get an inspection ticket.
Most people who are getting Historic tags have had those cars for years, they aren't buying them so they can put historic tags on them. You are correct that probably some are on the road that need inspection, but since it isn't required why would they buy the tag for that reason. ? No It's the cost. I am old and can remember when tags were 15 bucks a year, the cost for registration has exploded. Crazy thing we used to get new tags every year and now we get a paper sticker and the tags are kept until they are unreadable.
Exactly. So to avoid the often high cost of that inspection, they get Historic tags instead.
Again.
OccamsRazor
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Same thing I was thinking....
jrt_ms1995
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Sure many here will concur.
This is true, but the main reason for getting historic tags for a lot of folks, is no state inspection.
Where is JPC to lecture about this...
OccamsRazor
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Are you trying to say that people get the Historic tags upon purchasing the 25+ year old vehicle for the first time? Aren't there other requirements for getting tagged Historic other than an inspection?
glhs837
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I suppose we're probably talking about two different aspects here. You evidently you're thinking about advances in the battery technology that the military could have brought the bear with research dollars. I was speaking more of domestic production for raw materials which is what I thought we were talking about. Honestly, the industry is pushing the boundaries of battery tech so hard now. I'm not sure additional government money could make it go any faster
Hijinx
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You have a right to your opinion.