Texas bans safest and most common abortion procedure after 13 weeks

[Restitution]

It's ironic that with the handfuls of Strawmans the Anti's have posted in this thread and you a comment about the one or two that the pro-choice members post..

Just to clarify....

- I am pro CHOICE!
- I am also against welfare-for-birthing. At some point, these baby factories need to be held accountable for the lives they DECIDE to bring into this world.

 

[black dog]

Just to clarify....

- I am pro CHOICE!
- I am also against welfare-for-birthing. At some point, these baby factories need to be held accountable for the lives they DECIDE to bring into this world.

That's good to know..Thank you...
I'm a believer in no government involvement at all​ in Welfare, it still should be carried out buy the family , church or local businesses​...

 

[Merlin99]

That would be a baby in the womb - a completely separate human as differentiated by DNA, circulatory system, brain, etc., etc., from the parents. It just happens to reside in the mother's womb until birth. The social contract the mother made when willingly performing the action of risking pregnancy is to care for that child until birth, as she is the only one who can. After the birth, she's welcome to give it up. Heck, in some states you can have a lemon-baby law where you just drop the kid off at the local fire station with no consequence to you personally at all.

There's no social contract made, you making up a term and throwing it into a conversation won't make it so.

 

[hotbikermama40]

No. He is exactly right. It is the woman's body and her choice. The fetus has no rights until it is viable outside the womb. Except in Texas where religious people have decide their book over rides the rights of others. Which will soon be struck down since we already have gone over this in ROE VS Wade. It's not just two ways to cross a river.

It is NOT just the woman's body which IS the point.

The remainder of your post is deliberately obnoxious; the alternative is going to once again challenge your intelligence.

 

[black dog]

That would be a baby in the womb - a completely separate human as differentiated by DNA, circulatory system, brain, etc., etc., from the parents. It just happens to reside in the mother's womb until birth. The social contract the mother made when willingly performing the action of risking pregnancy is to care for that child until birth, as she is the only one who can. After the birth, she's welcome to give it up. Heck, in some states you can have a lemon-baby law where you just drop the kid off at the local fire station with no consequence to you personally at all.

Please cite or post this social contract that you speak of...

 

[This_person]

There's no social contract made, you making up a term and throwing it into a conversation won't make it so.

Then why do we hold hold parents responsible for their children at all?

 

[This_person]

Please cite or post this social contract that you speak of...

It is apparent in that we hold parents responsible for their children, most commonly we hold mothers responsible for the care and fathers responsible for the costs - though that is justifiably slowly changing to holding both parents responsible for both.

This is where child support comes from, this is where neglect laws come from, etc.

 

[black dog]

It is apparent in that we hold parents responsible for their children, most commonly we hold mothers responsible for the care and fathers responsible for the costs - though that is justifiably slowly changing to holding both parents responsible for both.

This is where child support comes from, this is where neglect laws come from, etc.

And none of that has anything to do with what a woman chooses to do with her choices in aborting or keeping... It has to do with after giving birth.
I would suggest that you read Roe....

 

[Merlin99]

Then why do we hold hold parents responsible for their children at all?

So now you want to compare apples and giraffes? A social contract for having sex and getting pregnant is the same thing as being responsible for the care and feeding of a child? How exactly is anyone supposed to take you seriously.

 

[black dog]

So now you want to compare apples and giraffes? A social contract for having sex and getting pregnant is the same thing as being responsible for the care and feeding of a child? How exactly is anyone supposed to take you seriously.

You can't take them seriously.... They just keep coming up with more outlandish statements that carry no weight at all.

 

[hotbikermama40]

You can't take them seriously.... They just keep coming up with more outlandish statements that carry no weight at all.

Hyperbolic it might have been, but actions have consequences. So when choosing to have sex, a woman runs the risk of pregnancy being one of those consequences. If the choice to abort is made in order to avoid the consequences, she has failed in caring for and feeding her child with her body...which she CHOSE to use to have sex. What seems equally outlandish to pro-life supporters is that a life is created and then destroyed just to keep from having to pay for what she did...
It's a shame that the order isn't reversed, huh? Do the work THEN get the reward. Hmmmm.
Yeah, yeah...I know, crazy talk.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Hyperbolic it might have been, but actions have consequences. So when choosing to have sex, a woman runs the risk of pregnancy being one of those consequences. If the choice to abort is made in order to avoid the consequences, she has failed in caring for and feeding her child with her body...which she CHOSE to use to have sex. What seems equally outlandish to pro-life supporters is that a life is created and then destroyed just to keep from having to pay for what she did... It's a shame that the order isn't reversed, huh? Do the work THEN get the reward. Hmmmm. Yeah, yeah...I know, crazy talk.

Huh? What? You are correct, crazy talk. Point being, after choosing to have sex and later finding out she is pregnant, she can choose to terminate the pregnancy. Why does pregnancy need be a consequence? She has failed in nothing. Other than possible a miscalculation in timing maybe.

Added* If a women can choose to get pregnant. She can choose not to, or to end one.

 

[hotbikermama40]

If I may ...



Huh? What? You are correct, crazy talk. Point being, after choosing to have sex and later finding out she is pregnant, she can choose to terminate the pregnancy. Why does pregnancy need be a consequence? She has failed in nothing. Other than possible a miscalculation in timing maybe.

Added* If a women can choose to get pregnant. She can choose not to, or to end one.

The key word is consequence. And consequence doesn't equate to failure. A consequence can be positive, negative or neutral- IMO pregancy is neutral.
And yes, there is no debate, with me anyway, the she can choose to end the pregnancy. If it weren't legal, she'd find another way. And I AM GLAD that for those that have to make that decision because of circumstances outside their control, that it is legal.
For those, however, who use the abort option as damage control, I have no such sympathy.

 

[Merlin99]

Hyperbolic it might have been, but actions have consequences. So when choosing to have sex, a woman runs the risk of pregnancy being one of those consequences. If the choice to abort is made in order to avoid the consequences, she has failed in caring for and feeding her child with her body...which she CHOSE to use to have sex. What seems equally outlandish to pro-life supporters is that a life is created and then destroyed just to keep from having to pay for what she did...
It's a shame that the order isn't reversed, huh? Do the work THEN get the reward. Hmmmm.
Yeah, yeah...I know, crazy talk.

There's got to be a consequence, Why? Because it makes you feel better? Maybe next we should tale all of the erasers off all of the pencils.

 

[hotbikermama40]

There's got to be a consequence, Why? Because it makes you feel better? Maybe next we should tale all of the erasers off all of the pencils.

Every action has a consequence, and not because I said so. It comes down to: If I do this, what might happen? So if I ignore the speed limit and drive as fast as I want to, either I get where I'm going faster, I get pulled over, I kill myself in an accident, etc., etc.

 

[This_person]

And none of that has anything to do with what a woman chooses to do with her choices in aborting or keeping... It has to do with after giving birth.
I would suggest that you read Roe....

Roe is as good a decision to me as plessy or kelo.

You asked for the social contract and I provided the proof of its existence. You are not required to like it.

 

[This_person]

So now you want to compare apples and giraffes? A social contract for having sex and getting pregnant is the same thing as being responsible for the care and feeding of a child? How exactly is anyone supposed to take you seriously.

Actually I was comparing apples to apples.

I didn't say anything about a contract with respect to sex. I said that we hold parents responsible for the health and care of their children, regardless of age to 18. Even after 18, a person's parent's income is the standard for determining federal financial assistance for college. We lay the responsibility for the care of the child on the parents from the moment the child exists.

 

[This_person]

If a women can choose to get pregnant. She can choose not to, or to end one.

This statement is reasonable up to but not including the last four words. At that point, when she is pregnant, choosing to end the pregnancy is choosing to end someone else's life. We're no longer talking about her choices and how they affect her or her reproductive rights. She's chosen a side on reproducing as she has reproduced.

 

[black dog]

Roe is as good a decision to me as plessy or kelo.

You asked for the social contract and I provided the proof of its existence. You are not required to like it.

Your contract as you call it, doesn't apply until after the mother decides to bring this fetus to term along with delivery.
And Roe is the law, if you don't like it, work to have it changed. Good Luck..

 

[This_person]

Your contract as you call it, doesn't apply until after the mother decides to bring this fetus to term along with delivery.

I understand that to be your opinion. You'll have to understand that I simply don't agree with you.

And Roe is the law, if you don't like it, work to have it changed. Good Luck..

You keep telling me about Roe. Can you tell me where in Roe it restricts the government from having any limitations on abortion at all?