Novus Collectus
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"Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin
The DUmmies are waterboarding each other to "prove" it is torture
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"Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin
Larry Gude
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How is...
...torturing an enemy to give up critical information forsaking liberty in any way, shape or form?
...torturing an enemy to give up critical information forsaking liberty in any way, shape or form?
But what if the person is not the enemy, just someone mistaken for the enemy?
Larry Gude
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What if...
...he gets hit by lighting? You seem to understand that BECAUSE we torture, we WILL torture wrongly on occasion. That is true.
Being afraid of that is reasonable yet it is a lesser evil than not trying to defeat or enemies. There are cases when abusing a fellow human being will save many of our own. Risk/reward. That doesn't mean we run wild and torture everybody. Our enemies are real and they do happen. Either we risk things like torture and trust that we do it only to the right people or we don't accept it and pay the price, likely a much higher price, in trying to mitigate the evils of war.
Winning wars has afford us the time and opportunity to be idealistic in times of peace. If we lose, our ideas lose, too.
...he gets hit by lighting? You seem to understand that BECAUSE we torture, we WILL torture wrongly on occasion. That is true.
Being afraid of that is reasonable yet it is a lesser evil than not trying to defeat or enemies. There are cases when abusing a fellow human being will save many of our own. Risk/reward. That doesn't mean we run wild and torture everybody. Our enemies are real and they do happen. Either we risk things like torture and trust that we do it only to the right people or we don't accept it and pay the price, likely a much higher price, in trying to mitigate the evils of war.
Winning wars has afford us the time and opportunity to be idealistic in times of peace. If we lose, our ideas lose, too.
Novus Collectus
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You said "It may even happen to me" and then you went on to seemingly be a proponent of torture. If you are willing to subject yourself to the possibility of being tortured by your state and surrender your liberty for the promise of safety, then maybe you deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Novus Collectus
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"Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin
Larry Gude
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Right...
...well, I am a proponent of our armed forces having every weapon under the sun with the same hope that they won't turn them on me as I have of them not torturing me.
So, I am subject to the possiblity of every single force my government has being turned on me, including torture. To single it out among all the power we have seems silly to me.
I trust the system.
...well, I am a proponent of our armed forces having every weapon under the sun with the same hope that they won't turn them on me as I have of them not torturing me.
So, I am subject to the possiblity of every single force my government has being turned on me, including torture. To single it out among all the power we have seems silly to me.
I trust the system.
Larry Gude
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itsbob
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The DUmmies are... 10-31-2007 01:30 PM How about One MILLION BILLION GAJILLION FAFILLION lives!?!?!
Learn your numbers you uneducated ignoramus.
After a million, is a billion.. then a trillion.. then a brazillion.. then a ####load..
Go G-Men
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This is true but seeing as Congress failed to indicate in their legislation what constitutes torture than who determines it??? Political hacks who want to be President, democratic leaders who change direction like the wind. If the members of congress would have done the job right than there would be no question or debates.
They could declare water boarding illegal within the next week but they don't care they just want to make some noise...
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I have had NO problems travelling.. anywhere..
Don't blame the lawmen.. blame the people with like names and apperances that perform the atrocities that we are trying to protect ourselves from..
Be kind of silly to stop the blonde haired blue eyed John Smith from Saskatchewan now wouldn't it??
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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right.
its called profiling
its something that is done to get the people who have greater odds of being the ones planning mayhem.
if you don't like the way our system works then don't come to our country
JUST CURIOUS
anyone against this torture because you COULD be wrongly tortured...
are you against our entire legal system including prison because you could be wrongly convicted and lose your life and be put behind bars?
Um, how is it our problem if your friend's parents are having a hard time defecting?
But are you Middle Eastern? Or any other ethnicity that has been profiled?
You do realize that not every Middle Easterner is even Muslim, let alone of that fringe that has commited atrocities?
You refered to those taken in by Canada as "filth". Does that make my friends relatives filth because they decide to go to Canada?
right.
its called profiling
its something that is done to get the people who have greater odds of being the ones planning mayhem.
Your typical Iranian guy has greater odds of buying designer sunglasses and laser hair removal than most generic American white guys. Your point?
if you don't like the way our system works then don't come to our country
Good thing the Native Americans didn't have that attitude.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
yes..
and yes,..
BUT all the current day Atrocities HAVE been committed by muslims.. like it or not the majority of muslims are middle eastern.. Like the "Friends or Arabs" complaining that we might be watching the muslim and islamic tamples.. well DUH!!
i doubt we are going to catch an AL Queada Terrorist at the local Synagogue.. or Catholic Church..
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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and we took over and killed thousands of them.......
is that what you want happening on an even larger scale because we DON'T profile?
Were you born here or abroad? Do you have to show an Iranian passport going thru customs and immigration when you travel?