The DUmmies are waterboarding each other to "prove" it is torture

[itsbob]

Were you born here or abroad? Do you have to show an Iranian passport going thru customs and immigration when you travel?

You didn't ask that..

I'm second generation Iranian (Persian) my mother being the first to be born in this country..

If I did have an Iranian passport knowing what an idiot my (Iran) president is, I'd expect a lot of trouble if I chose to travel to and from the US.. and I wouldn't even consider travelling to Israel.. (I'd EXPECT it, meaning kinda stupid to ##### about it after the fact!!)

Amazing isn't it.. that they can even THINK about travelling here after what their president has said.. Isn't America great!!

 

[itsbob]

Faffillion isnt a number?

and do brazillion numbers wear thongs?

Brazillion numbers are hairless..

 

[vegmom]

You didn't ask that..

I'm second generation Iranian (Persian) my mother being the first to be born in this country..

If I did have an Iranian passport knowing what an idiot my (Iran) president is, I'd expect a lot of trouble if I chose to travel to and from the US.. and I wouldn't even consider travelling to Israel.. (I'd EXPECT it, meaning kinda stupid to ##### about it after the fact!!)

Amazing isn't it.. that they can even THINK about travelling here after what their president has said.. Isn't America great!!

So your grandparents came here well before the Islamic Revolution then?

Did you ever travel there?

My friend still has his Iranian passport as he is not a US citizen yet. He had to go back to Iran because of his father being gravely ill. BTW- current laws have any child born to an Iranian father automatically becoming an Iranian citizen, so US born offspring can obtain Iranian passports thru the Iranian interests section at the Embassy of Pakistan.

You never heard of Iranian Jews traveling /immigrating to Israel? They actually don't stamp the passports so there won't be any grief when they return to Iran. I know many folks (US born) who traveled to Iran to visit family using their Iranian passport to enter/leave there and their US passport to enter/leave here.

Ahmedinejad a moron? No kidding! I was the one who broke the news to my friend over the phone. That ear is still ringing from his reaction.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

anyone against this torture because you COULD be wrongly tortured...

are you against our entire legal system including prison because you could be wrongly convicted and lose your life and be put behind bars?

...post of the day. I spent 10,000 words trying to say something that simple to understand.

Atta boy!!!

 

[vraiblonde]

My friend still has his Iranian passport as he is not a US citizen yet.

Then what's he coming back over here for? Why doesn't he stay in his own country if this one isn't good enough to become a citizen of??

 

[Larry Gude]

It's...

Hot D@mn got to steal that argument for the next time Kerad/Forestard/NHBoy posts on this subject

...brilliant; simple, concise, to the point. Post of the week. Maybe the month.

 

[vegmom]

Then what's he coming back over here for? Why doesn't he stay in his own country if this one isn't good enough to become a citizen of??

Way to jump to conclusions!

Because he WANTS to be an American citizen.

He had not been here long enough yet when his father became ill.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

...brilliant; simple, concise, to the point. Post of the week. Maybe the month.

 

[vraiblonde]

Way to jump to conclusions!

Because he WANTS to be an American citizen.

He had not been here long enough yet when his father became ill.

Well, when you were giving woe about him possibly having a problem getting back in the States, you didn't bother to mention he's not even a US citizen.

 

[vegmom]

Well, when you were giving woe about him possibly having a problem getting back in the States, you didn't bother to mention he's not even a US citizen.

I mentioned he has a Green Card = permanent resident status. That's step 1 towards becoming a citizen.

 

[Novus Collectus]

right.

its called profiling

its something that is done to get the people who have greater odds of being the ones planning mayhem.

if you don't like the way our system works then don't come to our country

Ok, so what ethnicity was Timothy McVeigh and people who usually read the Turner diaries?

JUST CURIOUS


anyone against this torture because you COULD be wrongly tortured...

are you against our entire legal system including prison because you could be wrongly convicted and lose your life and be put behind bars?

Let me ask YOU a question. How would you feel if a kid of yours or other family member was wrongfully tortured when they were innocent?
You would scream bloody murder and for accountability, wouldn't ya.


Our laws say torture is illegal. Are you against our legal system because it outlaws torture?

 

[Novus Collectus]

How does your story show evidence of Americans being tortured?

Pay attention, you were poo pooing the idea of Vegmom's boyfriend getting sent to be tortured if he was innocent when he was travelling back to the states. It happens, it has happened and you are naive if you think it couldn't happen to her boyfriend.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Let me ask YOU a question. How would you feel if a kid of yours or other family member was wrongfully tortured when they were innocent?
You would scream bloody murder and for accountability, wouldn't ya.


Our laws say torture is illegal. Are you against our legal system because it outlaws torture?

o, you can be dam sure that if this were the case, people would be held accountable in my personal judgement system which holds the death penalty for cases just like this

I'm not against our legal system for these reasons. I would be agitated at our government if they just let these little bastards do whatever they wanted and DIDN'T torture them. It isn't like they were losing appendages, they thought they were drowning. they'll get over it lol. (and for the record, i wouldn't really mind if our government used a good ol' fashioned hammer on the torturee's fingers/toes/ect in order to get the information out of them ) do you think these other countries show mercy with our POWs? We should not give them the respect of showing their men mercy

 

[itsbob]

Ok, so what ethnicity was Timothy McVeigh and people who usually read the Turner diaries?


Let me ask YOU a question. How would you feel if a kid of yours or other family member was wrongfully tortured when they were innocent?
You would scream bloody murder and for accountability, wouldn't ya.


Our laws say torture is illegal. Are you against our legal system because it outlaws torture?

Define torture..


Oh, and while you are at it.. define IS...

I personally don't think waterboarding is torture.. as is apparent from the DU .. They aren't suffereing ill effects.. not mental anguish, can still communicate coherently and last but not least.. their heads are still attached to their shoulders.. NOT torture..

AND the DU can't even distinguish what IS waterboarding.. They have the story mentioned above, AND a video that shows one of them being waterboarded.. Other than the "board" there are NO similarities.. They can't even tell what waterboarding is, how can they tell me it's torture??

 

[Vince]

Define torture..


Oh, and while you are at it.. define IS...

I personally don't think waterboarding is torture.. as is apparent from the DU .. They aren't suffereing ill effects.. not mental anguish, can still communicate coherently and last but not least.. their heads are still attached to their shoulders.. NOT torture..

AND the DU can't even distinguish what IS waterboarding.. They have the story mentioned above, AND a video that shows one of them being waterboarded.. Other than the "board" there are NO similarities.. They can't even tell what waterboarding is, how can they tell me it's torture??

Let me put you on the waterboard and then tell me it's not torture. It is, but I also believe we should be getting information from prisoners anyway we can including torture. This is wartime and as much as the liberal #######s in this country think we can fight a politically correct war by the rules, they are mistaken as well as stupid. You can't win a war by playing nice, politically correct or any other way except downright mean. Vietnam should have taught us this, but some of the American public just doesn't want to learn.

 

[itsbob]

Let me put you on the waterboard and then tell me it's not torture. It is, but I also believe we should be getting information from prisoners anyway we can including torture. This is wartime and as much as the liberal #######s in this country think we can fight a politically correct war by the rules, they are mistaken as well as stupid. You can't win a war by playing nice, politically correct or any other way except downright mean. Vietnam should have taught us this, but some of the American public just doesn't want to learn.

8 count push ups, squat thrusts.. and running 5 - 10 miles are torture in my book.. but in the end you suffer no ill effects..

 

[Larry Gude]

Look...

...we live in a country that thinks it is cruel and unusual punishment to put people to death who have beaten, shot, stabbed and butchered innocent people to death.

We're gonna have trouble with physically abusing, torturing, human beings as a government policy as long as we focus on the details, like we do in capital punishment instead of focusing on whether it is right or wrong to put a vicious killer of innocents to death or whether torture is going to be worth it or not.

We gotta start with right and wrong.

I say it is right to take the life of murderers. I think it is common sense to torture when there is strong belief and evidence that it is likely to save innocent lives.

 

[This_person]

...we live in a country that thinks it is cruel and unusual punishment to put people to death who have beaten, shot, stabbed and butchered innocent people to death.

We're gonna have trouble with physically abusing, torturing, human beings as a government policy as long as we focus on the details, like we do in capital punishment instead of focusing on whether it is right or wrong to put a vicious killer of innocents to death or whether torture is going to be worth it or not.

We gotta start with right and wrong.

I say it is right to take the life of murderers. I think it is common sense to torture when there is strong belief and evidence that it is likely to save innocent lives.

That's a lucid, pragmatic opinion. It'll never fly.

 

[Larry Gude]

Yeah...

That's a lucid, pragmatic opinion. It'll never fly.

...but wouldn't it be cool to see a real debate between the two nominees phrased around the central, as opposed to the ancillary, issues?

I mean, what if Hillary or Obama was asked "If torturing an individual, perhaps even to death, resulted in us learning on September 10, 2001 that four planes were going be hijacked the next morning, would it have been worth it?"

Imagine that.

 

[Plan B]

...what if Hillary or Obama was asked "If torturing an individual, perhaps even to death, resulted in us learning on September 10, 2001 that four planes were going be hijacked the next morning, would it have been worth it?"

Or if Bush had been asked the same, but instead use '...If you had prior warnings and evidence...?'?