The persecution has begun

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
2ndAmendment said:
If the news reports are to be believed, the New York City schools allowed the Muslim crescent, Jewish menorah, and the Kwanzaa candles, but prohibited even pictures of a Nativity scene. That is a problem.
I would have a problem with that, too. I tend to be skeptical of those kind of reports, because they leave out facts that shed a different light on the events. Any school system that would take that kind of action is just begging to be sued.

In my view, government entities should never endorse one religion over another. I see "separation of church and state" as meaning that the country should have no official religion or even an unofficial religion--hence my opposition to "Under God" in the Pledge. Religious observances in public places such as town squares are an entirely different matter. (BTW, I don't view classrooms as public places.) In a public place, any religious group, including athiest groups, should be able to set up their own holiday displays. So why do some local goverments try to prohibit all religious displays in town squares? I think it's because they're taking the lazy way out--they're not actively hostile to religion.

What I object to is minorities of all kinds, religion, political, etc., trying to force others to stop observing whatever they observe because it offends them. This probably says it best regarding religion vs atheism.
Although I think the Pledge issue is one of democratic principle, you make a good point. Although I believe in God, I would never demand that everyone else believe in God, or try to stop others from believing in something else. My guess is that Newdow and O'Hair are in the minority among athiests--they just have an unhealthy craving for attention. They no more represent the majority of athiests any more than PETA represents the majority of vegetarians.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Tonio said:
I would have a problem with that, too. I tend to be skeptical of those kind of reports, because they leave out facts that shed a different light on the events. Any school system that would take that kind of action is just begging to be sued.

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O'Reilly reported it on Fox and there was no rebuttal from the NYC schools, so I think It must be true. I heard or read it somewhere else too, but can't remember where.
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
This report has been out and about for awhile now. The Paul Harvey part is that the Christians were trying hard to disrupt and heckle the gays, transitioning from preaching the Gospel to disturbing a lawful (by the local ordnances) gathering.

Persecution takes many forms and has persisted from Biblical times to the present, and is seemingly pandemic.

Having said all that, let us remember that homosexuality and lesbianism are both abominations to God, practices detested by the Lord. They are a form of iniquity, and it is our iniquity that continues to weaken our nation in seemingly unconnected ways.

We should also remember that the continued attempts to suppress Christian principles and approve of sinful acts will continue to endanger this nation's future. We should try to remember the example made of Sodom and Gomorrha.

The groups (both the gays and the Christians) reported in that news article acted stupidly, and the police were forced into action in order to keep the peace.
 

willie

Well-Known Member
Railroad said:
This report has been out and about for awhile now. The Paul Harvey part is that the Christians were trying hard to disrupt and heckle the gays, transitioning from preaching the Gospel to disturbing a lawful (by the local ordnances) gathering.

Persecution takes many forms and has persisted from Biblical times to the present, and is seemingly pandemic.

Having said all that, let us remember that homosexuality and lesbianism are both abominations to God, practices detested by the Lord. They are a form of iniquity, and it is our iniquity that continues to weaken our nation in seemingly unconnected ways.

We should also remember that the continued attempts to suppress Christian principles and approve of sinful acts will continue to endanger this nation's future. We should try to remember the example made of Sodom and Gomorrha.

The groups (both the gays and the Christians) reported in that news article acted stupidly, and the police were forced into action in order to keep the peace.
Just what was it that the fairy's did that was stupid besides just being a fairy? Go back and read something besides those far out Christian blogs and you will understand that they were rightfully charged.
 
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Pam

New Member
John 15:20-21

Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

Extreme? Well, imagine being a Jew and being told by a carpenter's son that he is the King God promised them. It's because their expectations were earthly-they expected a king with earthly (political) power & wealth but God is above and beyond that-earthly power & wealth will pass.

These people were brave to go out and do what they knew would not be welcomed & would likely cause persecution-I pray that they were motivated by the Holy Spirit and not by their personal desire for notariety.

I saw an evangelist preaching at the park across from the Faragut North meto stop in DC. No one seemed to be listening but I was moved to see him there preaching in the same manner that Jesus and the apostles preached. Miracles happened all the time but we don't notice them or acknowledge them as a miracle though we can't explain them. If your car breaks down, you get frustrated and angry and cry "WHY ME!" What would you say if you got the answer, 'the only way I could save you from a car accident was to cause your car to break down." Sometimes bad things happen to keep worse things from happening but we're so wrapped up in our earthly existence that we fail to see these things. With each generation that passes, something is lost and with each generation that comes something is gained but in the end all things must come to pass-that is, all things But the human soul which is eternal and it is the ONLY thing that can not be taken from you.
Do not worry for the persecuted christians for great is their reward in Heaven but rather worry for those who persecute the ones sent by the Father for they are utterly lost.
With love & prayers to you all!
Pam
 

Hello6

Princess of Mean
Pam said:


. If your car breaks down, you get frustrated and angry and cry "WHY ME!" What would you say if you got the answer, 'the only way I could save you from a car accident was to cause your car to break down." Sometimes bad things happen to keep worse things from happening but we're so wrapped up in our earthly existence that we fail to see these things. Pam


I like to think that God took my ovary cause that's the one that had the antichrist egg in it. :yay: Oh, wait. That wasn't a bad thing...
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
willie said:
Just what was it that the fairy's did that was stupid besides just being a fairy? Go back and read something besides those far out Christian blogs and you will understand that they were rightfully charged.
I concur, they were rightfully charged. I don't read far-out Christian blogs. I don't do blogs. IMHO the gays were acting stupidly to hold a public rally promoting something they should be ashamed of - but that's just me.
 
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