The Water Company

[willie]

What would the profit from the town center sales be? Water isn't usually much of a high-profit commodity, so I'm wondering how much profit you would be turning even if the deal did go through.

I believe they are more interested in expansion.

 

[residentofcre]

What would the profit from the town center sales be? Water isn't usually much of a high-profit commodity, so I'm wondering how much profit you would be turning even if the deal did go through.

It really doesn't matter what the profit would be. Any profit would be a benefit. The infrastructure needs of the community are now served by the water company. The income from the town center would allow us to continue into the future. Some profit is better than no profit at all.

 

[residentofcre]

I believe they are more interested in expansion.

I don't think so.... I think that is what the county would like you to think. Let's face it, those who have wells are going to be ok far into the future once the major users [the counties] pull out of the Aquia.

It's my understanding that the county would like to put in water and sewer in our community in the far off future. I should also tell you that county employees in Public Works have been very pushy. They want me to work for closing down the water company.

The employee also told me that they are ready to hook up to our system and take over.

 

[MMDad]

The employee also told me that they are ready to hook up to our system and take over.

Other than the fact that the county is currently more expensive, how is this a bad thing?

 

[itsbob]

Unless your house filter is reverse osmosis... it doesn't take it out... also don't boil arsenic water or it will make it stronger....

The arsenic levels are below the epa requirements now so it is safe to drink...

I don't know about PUR or faucet type filters, but there are many other choices than RO.. RO is sloooow and expensive, there are others less expensive, small, and effective.. If you are worried about it, filter your water, don't make it out to be a catastrophe, take care of it

 

[FastCarsSpeed]

I don't think so.... I think that is what the county would like you to think. Let's face it, those who have wells are going to be ok far into the future once the major users [the counties] pull out of the Aquia.

It's my understanding that the county would like to put in water and sewer in our community in the far off future. I should also tell you that county employees in Public Works have been very pushy. They want me to work for closing down the water company.

The employee also told me that they are ready to hook up to our system and take over.

What does it matter if the county came in to supply water and sewer??? The only issue I would see would be that there would be a MAJOR building boom in CRE because there are tons of lots that cannot handle a septic system.

Also to very blunt I would prefer the commercial buildings not be serviced by the community water company. That is taking more of our water. Becky I think you need to pick your fights sometimes.

 

[Sharon]

What does it matter if the county came in to supply water and sewer???

Who do you think is going to pay for the new sewer?

YOU, I and everyone else in CRE! That will be in addition to the M&O, roads, and special tax district fees.

 

[willie]

I don't think so.... I think that is what the county would like you to think. Let's face it, those who have wells are going to be ok far into the future once the major users [the counties] pull out of the Aquia.

Where did CRE plan to bore the additional well(s) required to service the business park and shopping centers? Into which aquifer?

 

[residentofcre]

Other than the fact that the county is currently more expensive, how is this a bad thing?

Willie, the flush tax... As long as CRE has a lake and private infrastructure we need to track the use of the flush tax.

Therefore, we need to supply our own water....

We also need to remember just what the County has done to support any "un_private" community in Calvert County...

 

[residentofcre]

Where did CRE plan to bore the additional well(s) required to service the business park and shopping centers? Into which aquifer?

Right now we have plenty of water to supply the park. No new wells would be required.

 

[residentofcre]

Who do you think is going to pay for the new sewer?

YOU, I and everyone else in CRE! That will be in addition to the M&O, roads, and special tax district fees.

We don't need new sewer for another 25 years on average... and there are some grant funds out there now to assist those who need to upgrade their system now. If we had the funds from the town center and the flush tax, we would be able to cope in the future... without it... we're on our own.

Here's another quote from the county ... they said the only way they would step in to assist us would be when it is a risk of health and safety... That means when our sewers go so bad that we are in crisis....

 

[residentofcre]

What does it matter if the county came in to supply water and sewer??? The only issue I would see would be that there would be a MAJOR building boom in CRE because there are tons of lots that cannot handle a septic system.

Also to very blunt I would prefer the commercial buildings not be serviced by the community water company. That is taking more of our water. Becky I think you need to pick your fights sometimes.

I am picking my fights.... The Community and the future of my home are my fights now... I'm not running for office anymore... I'm just a homeowner who is looking at what is going on around my community now...

In the future, I don't want my home to be on county water and sewer... I want these services to remain as they are now.... and this is possible with proper planning and budgeting...

Our Water Company is already supplying the water to the little shopping center beside the post office... it's perfectly capable of supplying the water to the business park and the two town center shopping centers....

 

[residentofcre]

I don't know about PUR or faucet type filters, but there are many other choices than RO.. RO is sloooow and expensive, there are others less expensive, small, and effective.. If you are worried about it, filter your water, don't make it out to be a catastrophe, take care of it

Like I keep saying... the water company took care of the arsenic problem... the water is now safe to drink...

 

[willie]

Right now we have plenty of water to supply the park. No new wells would be required.

I most strongly disagree with that. CRE (mainly) and Drum Point are sucking the life out of the Aquia.
http://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/gwlevels/?site_no=381952076270901
That is over 100' drop in 20 years. Most of these private wells are 200-250' deep. The aquifer is much deeper than that so technically, you are correct if you say there is plenty of water but not for us without boring new wells.

I'm now convinced that the Water Co. would like to run our wells dry and then come knocking on our door offering a hook up.

Any more taps into the Aquia has to be done a long way away from CRE/Drum Point/Solomons.

 

[residentofcre]

I most strongly disagree with that. CRE (mainly) and Drum Point are sucking the life out of the Aquia.
http://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/gwlevels/?site_no=381952076270901
That is over 100' drop in 20 years. Most of these private wells are 200-250' deep. The aquifer is much deeper than that so technically, you are correct if you say there is plenty of water but not for us without boring new wells.

I'm now convinced that the Water Co. would like to run our wells dry and then come knocking on our door offering a hook up.

Any more taps into the Aquia has to be done a long way away from CRE/Drum Point/Solomons.

Actually, when your well is drilled by one of the professionals, they go to the bottom of the aquifer. Wells drilled by individuals only went to the top of the aquifer and the bottom of the water table in most cases. Drilling through the clay that encloses the aquifers is very difficult. So the wells in Drum Point, the Soundings and elsewhere in Calvert are now as deep as the CRE wells. In the old days, when they use to dig wells, they would dig a 3' wide well as deep as they needed to get into the water table. Those wells have all gone dry over the past few years.

The replacement wells that are drilled today are generally required because there is a defect in the pump [and they can't remove it for some reason] or the well casing [usually it's one of the stainless that has finally corroded], not for lack of water. I would suggest you ask either Calvert Well or Winslow Pump & Well... I believe they will back up this information. The draught we had a couple of years ago took care most of those wells that were not at the proper depth.

The Aquia [in Southern Calvert] has a couple of decades left in it if we follow conservation. This is the time to conserve and plan for the future.

The water for the Patuxent Business Park will come from Solomons. That's in the Aquia. That said the Aquia use will be the same if the water company or the county provides the water.....

 

[FastCarsSpeed]

Winslow dug my well in Golden Beach almost 400 feet. They all go to the bottom of the aquaifer. I seriously doubt anyone has a shallow well anymore.

 

[willie]

Actually, when your well is drilled by one of the professionals, they go to the bottom of the aquifer. Wells drilled by individuals only went to the top of the aquifer and the bottom of the water table in most cases. Drilling through the clay that encloses the aquifers is very difficult. So the wells in Drum Point, the Soundings and elsewhere in Calvert are now as deep as the CRE wells. In the old days, when they use to dig wells, they would dig a 3' wide well as deep as they needed to get into the water table. Those wells have all gone dry over the past few years.

The replacement wells that are drilled today are generally required because there is a defect in the pump [and they can't remove it for some reason] or the well casing [usually it's one of the stainless that has finally corroded], not for lack of water. I would suggest you ask either Calvert Well or Winslow Pump & Well... I believe they will back up this information. The draught we had a couple of years ago took care most of those wells that were not at the proper depth.

The Aquia [in Southern Calvert] has a couple of decades left in it if we follow conservation. This is the time to conserve and plan for the future.

The water for the Patuxent Business Park will come from Solomons. That's in the Aquia. That said the Aquia use will be the same if the water company or the county provides the water.....

My original well, in 1964, was a little over 400' deep, jet system in a 3" galvanized pipe. A jet could be used because the aquifer pressure brought the water nearly to the surface in those days. This is the definition of an Artesian well. Do you remember the crystal clear running water up near the bowling alley? Anyway....that galvanized well suction pipe had to be extended in the mid seventies as the water level was going down. The pump motor was upped from ¾ hp to 1 hp. By 1985 the depth was too much for a jet type pump system because of the falling water table. Do you know how much a stainless steel well casing would cost? Prohibitive. The first submersible wells by Calvert Well were iron and didn't last very long. The first one I had in a rental lasted about 12 years before it started coming apart at the thread joints. Calvert Well and Winslow only uses plastic now and I assure you RESIDENTIAL wells in the Drum Point/Solomons area are seldom over 250'. As a contractor, Calvert Well has installed numerous wells for me and the deepest was 232'. The wells do not go far into the aquifer probably for economical reasons. I never asked. When I changed my own well to a 4" submersible, I would have spent the extra $ if I knew what progress would do to the water table. Golden Beach is a whole different ballgame and parts of that area is a different aquifer. Apples and oranges to us.

The 3' wells you speak of are not allowed and did you know that you can get a permit to use that water table for septic? Those wells were affected by droughts but the Aquia aquifer is not. It is recharged in the Annapolis area and it is a long, long time before the water gets here.

I wasn't able to find the USC&GS map that shows a topo of water levels past and present but I will find it again. Someone has been spoon feeding you a lot of bad info.

 

[Bruzilla]

It really doesn't matter what the profit would be. Any profit would be a benefit. The infrastructure needs of the community are now served by the water company. The income from the town center would allow us to continue into the future. Some profit is better than no profit at all.

I think it matters a lot. You're once again going about casting dispersions with an ill-thought out argument. Water is generally sold at little or no profit, so I think your premise that there's all this money going to the county instead of your water authority is pretty bogus. Also, what little profit that would be coming in would be a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) towards the big bucks you're going to need to drill the new wells.

Lastly, how much would it have cost you to be able to provide that additional water to the town center? What would it have cost to run the feeder lines, additional demands on the pumps, etc? Would servicing the town center eaten up whatever your profits would be in additional wear and tear and distribution costs?

 

[residentofcre]

I think it matters a lot. You're once again going about casting dispersions with an ill-thought out argument. Water is generally sold at little or no profit, so I think your premise that there's all this money going to the county instead of your water authority is pretty bogus. Also, what little profit that would be coming in would be a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) towards the big bucks you're going to need to drill the new wells.

Lastly, how much would it have cost you to be able to provide that additional water to the town center? What would it have cost to run the feeder lines, additional demands on the pumps, etc? Would servicing the town center eaten up whatever your profits would be in additional wear and tear and distribution costs?

The main infrastructure is already in place. The water company would have to re-imburse the county for a small portion of it [cost is minimal in comparison] the contractor does most of the infrastructure to the connection.

I don't understand how you can say that the idea of having a little profit is not better than having none of it. We're talking a couple of decades before having to sink the wells. The alternative is to have the residents pay to sink the wells. This will take some of the burdon [not all but some] off of the families and those on fixed incomes.

Servicing the water company would not eat up profits. There is little "wear and tear or distribution costs". There is normal maintenance and management.

 

[residentofcre]

My original well, in 1964, was a little over 400' deep, jet system in a 3" galvanized pipe. A jet could be used because the aquifer pressure brought the water nearly to the surface in those days. This is the definition of an Artesian well. Do you remember the crystal clear running water up near the bowling alley? Anyway....that galvanized well suction pipe had to be extended in the mid seventies as the water level was going down. The pump motor was upped from ¾ hp to 1 hp. By 1985 the depth was too much for a jet type pump system because of the falling water table. Do you know how much a stainless steel well casing would cost? Prohibitive. The first submersible wells by Calvert Well were iron and didn't last very long. The first one I had in a rental lasted about 12 years before it started coming apart at the thread joints. Calvert Well and Winslow only uses plastic now and I assure you RESIDENTIAL wells in the Drum Point/Solomons area are seldom over 250'. As a contractor, Calvert Well has installed numerous wells for me and the deepest was 232'. The wells do not go far into the aquifer probably for economical reasons. I never asked. When I changed my own well to a 4" submersible, I would have spent the extra $ if I knew what progress would do to the water table. Golden Beach is a whole different ballgame and parts of that area is a different aquifer. Apples and oranges to us.

The 3' wells you speak of are not allowed and did you know that you can get a permit to use that water table for septic? Those wells were affected by droughts but the Aquia aquifer is not. It is recharged in the Annapolis area and it is a long, long time before the water gets here.

I wasn't able to find the USC&GS map that shows a topo of water levels past and present but I will find it again. Someone has been spoon feeding you a lot of bad info.

The aquia is an underground river and it does have valleys and hills much like the land we walk on. I have seen two wells drilled within a 1/4 mile apart and one was 250' and the other was 400'.

All drilled wells need a permit now. This is to conserve, protect, and map the aquifer. You do need to keep the water well a safe distance from the septic system because of ecoli etc..... Wells are generally 4" plastic now. The new material lasts longer than the "state of the art" stainless of not so long ago. The threads do corrode and cause the wall to fail faster that the new Poly pipe.

The information I have came directly from the USGS site, collected over the last several years. I also used the National Groundwater Association Site as well as the wellowner.org site.

You should know by now that when it comes to the water company I am never spoon fed... I do my own research when it comes to the water company due to the arsenic problems in the past.