The Water Company

[Midnightrider]

The main infrastructure is already in place. The water company would have to re-imburse the county for a small portion of it [cost is minimal in comparison] the contractor does most of the infrastructure to the connection.

I don't understand how you can say that the idea of having a little profit is not better than having none of it. We're talking a couple of decades before having to sink the wells. The alternative is to have the residents pay to sink the wells. This will take some of the burdon [not all but some] off of the families and those on fixed incomes.

Servicing the water company would not eat up profits. There is little "wear and tear or distribution costs". There is normal maintenance and management.

I think the biggest problem people outside the watercompany have with the plan to have the WC supply the business park is that Hansen is a shyster, and is percieved as a crook. I don't see why they want to get into that game anyway.

And from what i understand, its hansen that really wants the public sewer, he's always loooking to extend his control over things.

I know i lost all respect for him when he contracted out the meter jobs and allowed the contractor to tell homeowners that new pressure regulating tanks were required in our homes b/c of the antisiphion valves that were installed with the meters. I know that numerous consumers were taken on an expensive ride for that one, and it was completely unneccessary. I wonder how much he was getting from each sale?

 

[2ndAmendment]

..... Wells are generally 4" plastic now. The new material lasts longer than the "state of the art" stainless of not so long ago. The threads do corrode and cause the wall to fail faster that the new Poly pipe. ....

Are you sure you are talking about stainless steel? As willie said, the cost of stainless steel would be prohibitive. It was common to use galvanized iron pipe before PVC. Stainless steel suffers little to no corrosion in normal circumstances.

 

[residentofcre]

I think the biggest problem people outside the watercompany have with the plan to have the WC supply the business park is that Hansen is a shyster, and is percieved as a crook. I don't see why they want to get into that game anyway.

And from what i understand, its hansen that really wants the public sewer, he's always loooking to extend his control over things.

I know i lost all respect for him when he contracted out the meter jobs and allowed the contractor to tell homeowners that new pressure regulating tanks were required in our homes b/c of the antisiphion valves that were installed with the meters. I know that numerous consumers were taken on an expensive ride for that one, and it was completely unneccessary. I wonder how much he was getting from each sale?

Hanson's reputation is indeed well know... That's why I always do my homework independently of his office.

The public sewer issue is something that did bother me for a long time... and then I realized that this is something that is not completely in Hanson's hands to decide. First of all, the POACRE BOD would have a major input, as would the State and MDE in particular.

I can't see us investing money in a public sewer system for a long time.... and by then Mr. Hanson may not even be around... ALSO... the money that comes from water distribution would be used up by the need for new wells into the next aquifer.... so we will need another source for the sewer system down the line if we ever get that bad....

 

[residentofcre]

Are you sure you are talking about stainless steel? As willie said, the cost of stainless steel would be prohibitive. It was common to use galvanized iron pipe before PVC. Stainless steel suffers little to no corrosion in normal circumstances.

Yep... they are rarely doing stainless anymore... PVC holds up much much better.... The problem is the connections...

As a matter of fact, the covenants for the Soundings states they have to use Stainless and it needs to be changed for the benefit of the homeowners. It needs to say "state of the art" to cover them.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Yep... they are rarely doing stainless anymore... PVC holds up much much better.... The problem is the connections...

As a matter of fact, the covenants for the Soundings states they have to use Stainless and it needs to be changed for the benefit of the homeowners. It needs to say "state of the art" to cover them.

If anyone did use stainless, they were crazy or extremely rich. Real stainless would far out last PVC. And if, as you say, someone used stainless and the connections were failing, then they were not using stainless connections or stainless connections of the same alloy as the pipe. That is just stupid.

 

[Midnightrider]

Hanson's reputation is indeed well know... That's why I always do my homework independently of his office.

The public sewer issue is something that did bother me for a long time... and then I realized that this is something that is not completely in Hanson's hands to decide. First of all, the POACRE BOD would have a major input, as would the State and MDE in particular.

I can't see us investing money in a public sewer system for a long time.... and by then Mr. Hanson may not even be around... ALSO... the money that comes from water distribution would be used up by the need for new wells into the next aquifer.... so we will need another source for the sewer system down the line if we ever get that bad....

I believe the plan is to stick the homeowners with the bill for their "upgrade" to public sewer. Also, what who is goignt o be responsible for putting the roads back together after they are all dug up for a sewer system. If the water meter fiasco is any indication, the WC will F'em up and leave 'em F'ed.

 

[residentofcre]

I believe the plan is to stick the homeowners with the bill for their "upgrade" to public sewer. Also, what who is goignt o be responsible for putting the roads back together after they are all dug up for a sewer system. If the water meter fiasco is any indication, the WC will F'em up and leave 'em F'ed.

This is one of those situations that we have to be planning now for the future....

It really gets under my skin every time I see one of those slices that the water company puts in the road and then doesn't bring back to the proper grade or specs.... and I am in the process of working through this with the BOD at POACRE.

Like I said, I am not a fan of the water company... but I am trying to look into the future to figure out how we are going to maintain [and improve] the infrastructure without breaking the backs of the homeowners.

If we are going to have to put in public sewers... I would want them planned, budgeted, and set up in a capital project before anything happens. I would also push for a completion bond that would guarantee that both the roads and private property were returned to the preconstruction state or better.

It's a long way off but we need to start planning now, no matter who is going to be the controlling party... I just don't think the county or the water company will have our best interests on their minds the way we would like for them too....

I know that George Hanson is supposed to have said he wants to be the one that puts in the public sewer.... but that is not up to George.... so that propoganda doesn't hold water with me...

I think we should start thinking about the fox getting in the henhouse before I build the henhouse.... know what I mean?

 

[Midnightrider]

This is one of those situations that we have to be planning now for the future....

It really gets under my skin every time I see one of those slices that the water company puts in the road and then doesn't bring back to the proper grade or specs.... and I am in the process of working through this with the BOD at POACRE.

Like I said, I am not a fan of the water company... but I am trying to look into the future to figure out how we are going to maintain [and improve] the infrastructure without breaking the backs of the homeowners.

If we are going to have to put in public sewers... I would want them planned, budgeted, and set up in a capital project before anything happens. I would also push for a completion bond that would guarantee that both the roads and private property were returned to the preconstruction state or better.

It's a long way off but we need to start planning now, no matter who is going to be the controlling party... I just don't think the county or the water company will have our best interests on their minds the way we would like for them too....

I know that George Hanson is supposed to have said he wants to be the one that puts in the public sewer.... but that is not up to George.... so that propoganda doesn't hold water with me...

I think we should start thinking about the fox getting in the henhouse before I build the henhouse.... know what I mean?

I dont understand why we would have to do anything. i doubt the county is going to force all homes to go to public sewer, so why should the CRE be forced to? I really don't think the county has a need for us to do it, so that leaves the ones that will make money from it as the drivers.

 

[residentofcre]

I dont understand why we would have to do anything. i doubt the county is going to force all homes to go to public sewer, so why should the CRE be forced to? I really don't think the county has a need for us to do it, so that leaves the ones that will make money from it as the drivers.

You're right... there is no need as long as people will maintain their septics. For the most part they are doing very well. The only reason I was talking about it is that others think that is George Hanson's goal. Like I said .... it's not up to Hanson....

So... why should we worry about allowing the water company to have the contract for the water distribution of Patuxent Business Park and the shopping centers? This would be an income that could be used for the drilling of new wells into the new aquifer. Test wells have already been drilled by the State and the results are very promissing.

If we could get the commercial wells into the aquifer below, the aquia would be there to service the private wells for a much longer period of time.

 

[Midnightrider]

You're right... there is no need as long as people will maintain their septics. For the most part they are doing very well. The only reason I was talking about it is that others think that is George Hanson's goal. Like I said .... it's not up to Hanson....

So... why should we worry about allowing the water company to have the contract for the water distribution of Patuxent Business Park and the shopping centers? This would be an income that could be used for the drilling of new wells into the new aquifer. Test wells have already been drilled by the State and the results are very promissing.

If we could get the commercial wells into the aquifer below, the aquia would be there to service the private wells for a much longer period of time.

the water company has enough on its plate, and doesn't need the extra distractions of trying to provide for the buisness park. Besides, the WC isn't supposed to be a big profit maker, and the fact of the matter is that we would have to replace our wells eventually anyway so its not the industrial parks reponsiblity to pay for it.
Also, i will not be connecting to the public sewer as long as my septic is in working order, and i'd be willing to go to court over it.

 

[willie]

So... why should we worry about allowing the water company to have the contract for the water distribution of Patuxent Business Park and the shopping centers? This would be an income that could be used for the drilling of new wells into the new aquifer. Test wells have already been drilled by the State and the results are very promissing.

If we could get the commercial wells into the aquifer below, the Aquia would be there to service the private wells for a much longer period of time.

This is a pile of political, self serving doubletalk.

Your statement that the professional well drillers put residential wells to the bottom of the aquifer is absolutely FALSE.

Your analogy of an aquifer being like a flowing river is absolutely false in the case of the Aquia. A more exact analogy would be the Chesapeake Ranch Water Co. extending a long straw into a pan of thick milkshake and sucking it dry. What happens to the common folk with short straws inside the crater? We run out of water, that's what happens.

First you say "So... why should we worry about allowing the water company to have the contract for the water distribution of Patuxent Business Park and the shopping centers? This would be an income that could be used for the drilling of new wells into the new aquifer. Test wells have already been drilled by the State and the results are very promissing."

You are saying we should keep sucking on the Aquia until we have more money. Ignore the consequences.


Then you say " If we could get the commercial wells into the aquifer below, the Aquia would be there to service the private wells for a much longer period of time."

You know that the commercial wells will kill the Aquia but the end will justify the means.

Becky, you are only thinking of CRE with the long straw in the milkshake and ignoring the residential wells outside of CRE.

Whoever supplies the commercial water should be required to go down to the Patapsco and pass on the cost to whoever buys it. It is wrong that the rest of us should have to extend our supply pipes AND increase the pump size because of this stupid power struggle.

 

[residentofcre]

the water company has enough on its plate, and doesn't need the extra distractions of trying to provide for the buisness park. Besides, the WC isn't supposed to be a big profit maker, and the fact of the matter is that we would have to replace our wells eventually anyway so its not the industrial parks reponsiblity to pay for it.
Also, i will not be connecting to the public sewer as long as my septic is in working order, and i'd be willing to go to court over it.

Providing water for the Business Park would not be a strain on the water company... and it would help us [not cover the full amount] pay for the expense of the new wells.

No one is asking anyone to connect to public sewer.... but if we don't address the fact that we are going to have to pay to drill new wells in the future, then we will be connecting to the county because we definitely cannot afford all those new wells...

 

[Midnightrider]

Providing water for the Business Park would not be a strain on the water company... and it would help us [not cover the full amount] pay for the expense of the new wells.

No one is asking anyone to connect to public sewer.... but if we don't address the fact that we are going to have to pay to drill new wells in the future, then we will be connecting to the county because we definitely cannot afford all those new wells...

public sewer and water are two different issues.

I don't see how providing for the buisness park wouldn't be a strain on the WC. even if its not, the WC was created to service our community, not the outside world. they can get and pay for their own damn water.

The sewers don't need to be done, and shouldn't be forced down the throat of the residents b/c someone (hanson) wants to make more money or a name for himself.

 

[residentofcre]

This is a pile of political, self serving doubletalk..

hogwash.... Nothing is political with me anymore... I am not running for office .... I want to have clean water for my home for the next 30 years...

Your statement that the professional well drillers put residential wells to the bottom of the aquifer is absolutely FALSE. .

And what experience do you base that on? The fact that some wells are 200' and others are 450'? So you think the aquifer is flat? That's just not so....

Your analogy of an aquifer being like a flowing river is absolutely false in the case of the Aquia. A more exact analogy would be the Chesapeake Ranch Water Co. extending a long straw into a pan of thick milkshake and sucking it dry. What happens to the common folk with short straws inside the crater? We run out of water, that's what happens. .

The fact is the aquifer flows about 1" per year. We are all sucking the aquifer, commercial wells take more.... I was comparing our commercial wells to those of the county.... your residential well will indeed fail if you don't wake up and smell the coffee.... getting the commercial wells out of the aquia will make your residential wells last longer....

First you say "So... why should we worry about allowing the water company to have the contract for the water distribution of Patuxent Business Park and the shopping centers? This would be an income that could be used for the drilling of new wells into the new aquifer. Test wells have already been drilled by the State and the results are very promissing."

You are saying we should keep sucking on the Aquia until we have more money. Ignore the consequences. .

What I am saying is let the water company get the money to get out of the Aquia faster....

Then you say " If we could get the commercial wells into the aquifer below, the Aquia would be there to service the private wells for a much longer period of time."

You know that the commercial wells will kill the Aquia but the end will justify the means. .

I am saying [once again] that the commercial wells should be in another aquifer.... I've been saying that for years.... I was calling for a deeper well into the next aquifer when I asked them to drill a new well to solve the arsenic problem....

Becky, you are only thinking of CRE with the long straw in the milkshake and ignoring the residential wells outside of CRE.

That just makes no sense... like I said the aquia is going to be in trouble for everyone.... not just CRE but everyone in Southern Maryland.... But if you want to talk about CRE only... then maybe you could tell me a better way for CRE to get out of the aquifer than providing with the plan and the budget to do so....

Whoever supplies the commercial water should be required to go down to the Patapsco and pass on the cost to whoever buys it. It is wrong that the rest of us should have to extend our supply pipes AND increase the pump size because of this stupid power struggle.

This is the only thing we agree on at this point.... Commercial Water Wells should get out of Aquia as soon as possible...
I don't see the County moving into the next aquifer do you? And when they do... who do you think is going to pay for it?

 

[residentofcre]

public sewer and water are two different issues.

I don't see how providing for the buisness park wouldn't be a strain on the WC. even if its not, the WC was created to service our community, not the outside world. they can get and pay for their own damn water.

The sewers don't need to be done, and shouldn't be forced down the throat of the residents b/c someone (hanson) wants to make more money or a name for himself.

We agree almost.... The only reason I want the Business Park on the system is that it will help finance the millions of dollars we will have to put out for the new wells.

Make no mistake about it.... new wells drilled by the water company for CRE or drilled by the the county for CRE will be necessary before 2025.... I don't want the people of CRE to have to shoulder that burdon alone... and do you think the county is going to be willing to drill our wells for us? [Sure... right after they pave our roads]....

Let's be realistic here.... the water company can handle the Business Park...

You are right... the sewers don't need to be done... and we can't afford them... we have alternatives...

But we don't have a lot of alternatives when it comes to water... our lots are too small to drill our own... and commercial wells shouldn't be in the aquia anymore anyway, Willie is right when he says the Commercial Wells should be in the lower aquifer, allowing the residential to be in the aquia alone... We need to start looking into the future for everyone....

I think everyone agrees that the Commecial Wells will shorten the life of the Aquia... we just don't agree on who should be drilling deeper and who's going to pay for it.... I say allowing the Water Company to supply the Business Park will help everyone...

Conservation... Planning... Budgeting.... These are facts....

 

[Sharon]

Where does the golf course and the houses (outside CRE) that border it get their water and who pays for it?

 

[Midnightrider]

Let's be realistic here.... the water company can handle the Business Park...

I think everyone agrees that the Commecial Wells will shorten the life of the Aquia... we just don't agree on who should be drilling deeper and who's going to pay for it.... I say allowing the Water Company to supply the Business Park will help everyone...

Conservation... Planning... Budgeting.... These are facts....

How do you figure?
I think you have bought into what hanson is selling. If the buisness park already has its own water tower, so they don't need us. if you want to change where commercial wells are drilled do it through the county, not by this BS where the CRWC is now in charge of it all. either way, our well will run dry at the same time, and the CRWC will be selling water until it does.
They just need to come up with a independant plan to take care or it

 

[residentofcre]

How do you figure?
I think you have bought into what hanson is selling. If the buisness park already has its own water tower, so they don't need us. if you want to change where commercial wells are drilled do it through the county, not by this BS where the CRWC is now in charge of it all. either way, our well will run dry at the same time, and the CRWC will be selling water until it does.
They just need to come up with a independant plan to take care or it

I've explained it as I see it....

I don't buy Hanson's stuff... I do my own research. The water tower is not a well. As far as I know they plan to pull from Solomons.... that's how it was designed anyway.

I'll work on another plan... cause I have a while to do it.... but let's not forget... when I brought the arsenic problem to the commissioners they didn't begin to lift a finger to assist....

 

[residentofcre]

Where does the golf course and the houses (outside CRE) that border it get their water and who pays for it?

I'm not sure....

 

[willie]

Where does the golf course and the houses (outside CRE) that border it get their water and who pays for it?

The houses on Cove Point Rd beside hole #6 are supplied by the Water Co. Since the golf course was owned by the Ranch Club, it is sem-safe to ASSume it is also. Watering the course is from the ponds.