Toys for Tots rejects Jesus dolls

TruPeace

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You go head with the information posted up about Christmas. You all got hit it right on the head . So why celebrate something that has nothing to deal with Jesus Christ at all. Early Christians didn't even care when Jesus was born. It all has to deal with pagan and commercialism. Especially, gift giving. If it's Jesus birthday why the gifts aren't given to him? 1

read the encyclopedia's and the History Channel has a episode about the history of Christmas....

The shepherds were out with there flock that night, it would be unreasonable for Jesus Christ to be born in December when in Bethelem it was cold and raining. Would think that Caesar would send people back to there homes to register during winter conditions?
 
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RoseRed

American Beauty
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TruPeace said:
You go head with the information posted up about Christmas. You all got it right on the money. So why celebrate something that has nothing to deal with Jesus Christ at all. Early Christians didn't even care when Jesus was born. It all has to deal with pagan and commercialism. Especially, gift giving. If it's Jesus birthday why the gifts aren't given to him? 1
Okay.
 

Dondi

Dondi
TruPeace said:
You go head with the information posted up about Christmas. You all got hit it right on the head . So why celebrate something that has nothing to deal with Jesus Christ at all. Early Christians didn't even care when Jesus was born. It all has to deal with pagan and commercialism. Especially, gift giving. If it's Jesus birthday why the gifts aren't given to him? 1

read the encyclopedia's and the History Channel has a episode about the history of Christmas....

The shepherds were out with there flock that night, it would be unreasonable for Jesus Christ to be born in December when in Bethelem it was cold and raining. Would think that Caesar would send people back to there homes to register during winter conditions?

Why celebrate? Because 100 million angels celebrated His birth 2000 years age:

Luke 2:8-14 said:
"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men
."

As far as the timing of his birth, who cares? As long as we can set aside to give thanks to God for sending us the Savior.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Dondi said:
As far as the timing of his birth, who cares? As long as we can set aside to give thanks to God for sending us the Savior.

Well I'm kind of on board with that. It's not as though we don't celebrate or pay lip service to a lot of things that we're only a little sure of the dates - or if they happened at all.

People have been celebrating Christmas in late December for over 1500 years - far longer than people celebrated Saturnalia or any of a bunch of other pagan celebrations it presumably "usurped". A billion people the world over celebrate the holiday as the day of Jesus' birth, in their own way.

If people want to celebrate a secular, cultural Christmas that is mainly, gift-giving, Christmas symbols, music, snow and Santa, well I have no problem with that. I just think the same tolerance ought to be extended in return, since the holiday was created for the purpose of celebrating Jesus' birth.
 

TruPeace

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Dondi said:
Why celebrate? Because 100 million angels celebrated His birth 2000 years age:



As far as the timing of his birth, who cares? As long as we can set aside to give thanks to God for sending us the Savior.


The only command that Jesus give his followers to celebrate or memorialize is the memorial of his death. God isn't pleased with any observance that links Jesus with superstition. (Isiaiah 65:11,12)
 
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Lenny

Lovin' being Texican
TruPeace said:
The only command that Jesus give his followers to celebrate or memorialized is the memorial of his death. God isn't pleased with any observance that links Jesus with superstition. (Isiaiah 65:11,12)

I believe in Studius 6:19-20 it says "You wilt hie thyself to a center of elucidation and education until thouist can sprechin the fuchen anglish."
 

Dondi

Dondi
TruPeace said:
The only command that Jesus give his followers to celebrate or memorialize is the memorial of his death. God isn't pleased with any observance that links Jesus with superstition. (Isiaiah 65:11,12)

But Jesus' birth is important in the fact that God came in the flesh of a virgin, by the Holy Spirit. And He was tempted in all points, yet without sin. It is important to understand what is Jesus' nature in relation to his death, burial, and resurrection. Christmas time is how we recognize how the Savior came into the world. The birth of Christ was celebrated by those in the lowest in society (the shepherds) to the highest in society (the wise kings of the east). It demonstrates that Christ came for people in all walks of life.
 

beerlover

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It is generally believed by historians that Jesus had older siblings. And Mary and Joseph were already married before she got pregnant, so what are the chances that she was a virgin when she conceived? 0%. Another far-fetched fable from the book of far-fetched fables. Can't you Jesus freaks use your logical mind for a few minutes instead of just buying what your parents fed you as a kid? It never ceases to amaze me the stuff people will believe.
 
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