Trudy, help me out here

[black dog]

They were graduating school in the late 2000’s and the financial crisis caused by Bush caused record unemployment, not sure if you heard of the Great Recession.

So yes, in effect a gun was held to their head, for survival they had to get a job and companies that paid decent were only considering college grads...and what did college’s due? Continue to increase the cost of college tuition with really no improvement in the level of education.

the economy is better now because of Trump, we recognize most degrees are a joke, but 10 years ago that wasn’t the case. I get there seems to be some type of collective amnesia here, but 2007-2009 was a scary time for the economy, especially for those who were just starting in their career.

And for the comments that “well they should be plumbers or mechanics”, the only reason that those jobs are paying high wages are because there is a lack of skilled labor. The same was true of pharmacists a few years ago, now the market is flooded with them. I guarantee you in a few years there will be a glut of plumbers, welders, and mechanics due to the younger generation going into trade schools. It’s actually already happening to welders...

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That's funny, almost 40 years working in and around the skilled trades and I have never had a problem being employed....
Maybe you should tell all these unemployed welders to move to the Heartland, we have plenty of welding positions open out here....
But,. You gotta have worthwhile certificates in the welding world too peanut....
Having basic welding knowledge is as worthless as hundreds of college advanced masturbation degrees.

You gotta work to get ahead peanut...

 

[truby20]

That's funny, almost 40 years working in and around the skilled trades and I have never had a problem being employed....
Maybe you should tell all these unemployed welders to move to the Heartland, we have plenty of welding positions open out here....
But,. You gotta have worthwhile certificates in the welding world too peanut....
Having basic welding knowledge is as worthless as hundreds of college advanced masturbation degrees.

You gotta work to get ahead peanut...

And if someone is a AWS Certified DevOps Engineer or a Red Hat Certified Engineer they will make over 125k a year easily...those are my expertise. There is a huge void of talent for these programs and the companies I’ve worked for have had quite a bit of difficulty attracting talent that can stay, there is just so much opportunity for these skills, especially in this area.
But, the work is quite complicated, so it’s not for everyone.

I posted the above tweet about wealth levels because there is a growing inequality between the generations and I know that there are just as many “unskilled” boomers and gen-xers. I don’t know what the solution is, but blaming folks for getting a degree when that really was their only option, well that isn’t helping.

 

[GURPS]

... the financial crisis caused by Bush

Fantasy Innuendo and Presumption

 

[mitzi]

My point is to say that if you work hard, and keep increasing in your skill set by training and learning, - you can earn more money. And then you keep getting better jobs. This is not rocket science.

The problem isn't that they can't earn money. They are lazy and don't want to work for it.

Agree 100%. I'll add to that, manage their priorities. When I had to use STS, I would hear the people complain about having no money (some had PT jobs, some no job). One that stands out was saying she couldn't afford her son's field trip. His teacher was working with a fund at the school so he could go. We got off at the shopping center. Later when I got back on, here she comes out of Pizza Hut with a pizza and 12 pack of beer from the liqour store. I try not to judge but this was so obvious it pissed me off.

 

[mitzi]

Guess your generation shouldn't have gotten Degree's in Pencil Sharpening and Masturbation.... A better choice would have been to become a Union Plumber and get paid while you earn a Plumbing and Gas Fitting Master License in DC.
You would be making about 125,000 a year right now.... And not live at home.
Life is all about making choices peanut..... You crybaby Millennials need to make better choices....

My son hates being lumped into millennials. He got thru the 5 year Apprentice program with IBEW and now is the Foreman on jobs making close to a hundred grand a year. This with a GED. He's only 32. My daughter does well as an Office Manager and raising her son alone. She's worked at the same place in healthcare for 17 years and worked her way up. She began as a PT Clerk at the hospital when she was a senior in high school. Both of them are buying their homes. I'm not bragging (well, sort of) but my point is it can be done with determination.

 

[black dog]

And if someone is a AWS Certified DevOps Engineer or a Red Hat Certified Engineer they will make over 125k a year easily...those are my expertise. There is a huge void of talent for these programs and the companies I’ve worked for have had quite a bit of difficulty attracting talent that can stay, there is just so much opportunity for these skills, especially in this area.
But, the work is quite complicated, so it’s not for everyone.

I posted the above tweet about wealth levels because there is a growing inequality between the generations and I know that there are just as many “unskilled” boomers and gen-xers. I don’t know what the solution is, but blaming folks for getting a degree when that really was their only option, well that isn’t helping.

How was getting a degree ever someones only option?
Sounds more like let's blame others for the worthless degree some decided to aquire...

 

[mitzi]

My son hates being lumped into millennials. He got thru the 5 year Apprentice program with IBEW and now is the Foreman on jobs making close to a hundred grand a year. This with a GED. He's only 32. My daughter does well as an Office Manager and raising her son alone. She's worked at the same place in healthcare for 17 years and worked her way up. She began as a PT Clerk at the hospital when she was a senior in high school. Both of them are buying their homes. I'm not bragging (well, sort of) but my point is it can be done with determination.

And to add, they accomplished this with no help from me or their Dad financially. She lived at home til she was 20 and him at 19 (both working). They both managed renting places when they left home.

 

[Bann]

My son hates being lumped into millennials. He got thru the 5 year Apprentice program with IBEW and now is the Foreman on jobs making close to a hundred grand a year. This with a GED. He's only 32. My daughter does well as an Office Manager and raising her son alone. She's worked at the same place in healthcare for 17 years and worked her way up. She began as a PT Clerk at the hospital when she was a senior in high school. Both of them are buying their homes. I'm not bragging (well, sort of) but my point is it can be done with determination.

It certainly can!

 

[truby20]

How was getting a degree ever someones only option?
Sounds more like let's blame others for the worthless degree some decided to aquire...

Like I said, in 2019’s economy it isn’t the only option.

But back in the 90’s and 00’s it’s the only thing mid to top tier students were told to search for, going to the Tech Center was looked down upon. It was a terrible disservice to that generation by the boomers who were teaching in the schools, but that’s the way it was. Now we’re much more nuanced, recognizing that a degree in English is about as useful as knowing how to play the guitar. STEM degrees and vocational skills are what is needed, but in those days you would not believe how that simple idea was not being shared.

 

[Grumpy]

Every boomer that I know that became a teacher was a lib..so just say it, the libs done you wrong. Actually, the vast majority of teachers/professors that I had from the 60s to the 00s were libs, so put the blame where it belongs.

 

[truby20]

Every boomer that I know that became a teacher was a lib..so just say it, the libs done you wrong. Actually, the vast majority of teachers/professors that I had from the 60s to the 00s were libs, so put the blame where it belongs.

The only thing the conservatives seemed worried about was making sure only abstinence was taught, they certainly weren’t in the schools offering career advice.

Why do you think the majority of instructors are liberal? There are certainly enough positions, but it’s a pretty thankless job with not the greatest pay, I guess they do feel a need to help the next generation and aren’t focused solely on earning money which seems to be driver of a more conservative perspective.

 

[mitzi]

STEM degrees and vocational skills are what is needed, but in those days you would not believe how that simple idea was not being shared.

It's what needs to be shared by parents and family! You can't rely on the schools. If I relied on the school to point my son in the right direction, he would have been 17 and still in 9th grade. My daughter would have been nowhere with college classes in theater.

 

[black dog]

Like I said, in 2019’s economy it isn’t the only option.

But back in the 90’s and 00’s it’s the only thing mid to top tier students were told to search for, going to the Tech Center was looked down upon. It was a terrible disservice to that generation by the boomers who were teaching in the schools, but that’s the way it was. Now we’re much more nuanced, recognizing that a degree in English is about as useful as knowing how to play the guitar. STEM degrees and vocational skills are what is needed, but in those days you would not believe how that simple idea was not being shared.

What Bullshit you are trying to peddle, I graduated in 76, taking a trade class was difficult, because they were always full..
I worked through all of the years you are crying about. My three younger siblings all went to college, they have from 4 year degrees to masters and doctorates. All of them worked through those years, because they didnt get worthless degrees.
You keep trying to lay the blame on anyone but the person and parents of those who went to college and took classes for worthless degrees.

 

[truby20]

What Bullshit you are trying to peddle, I graduated in 76, taking a trade class was difficult, because they were always full..
I worked through all of the years you are crying about. My three younger siblings all went to college, they have from 4 year degrees to masters and doctorates. All of them worked through those years, because they didnt get worthless degrees.
You keep trying to lay the blame on anyone but the person and parents of those who went to college and took classes for worthless degrees.

fine you totally get it, graduating in 1976 and 2006 is the same, same economy, same skills expected, same high school experience.

this is the great thing about capitalism, all of the losers ending up on the streets will soon starve to death since they never learned CAD

it’s not like they will revolt, you know, since they know they made wrong choices....I guess that’s the plan, just keep screaming at them “you made the wrong choice!” and not look at the societal elements that drive them to that choice...just as societial elements drive you to your choices, and me to mine.

 

[black dog]

fine you totally get it, graduating in 1976 and 2006 is the same, same economy, same skills expected, same high school experience.

this is the great thing about capitalism, all of the losers ending up on the streets will soon starve to death since they never learned CAD

it’s not like they will revolt, you know, since they know they made wrong choices....I guess that’s the plan, just keep screaming at them “you made the wrong choice!” and not look at the societal elements that drive them to that choice...just as societial elements drive you to your choices, and me to mine.

You're ****ing KooKoo... Try putting down the glass earlier in the day....

 

[phreddyp]

They were graduating school in the late 2000’s and the financial crisis caused by Bush caused record unemployment, not sure if you heard of the Great Recession.

So yes, in effect a gun was held to their head, for survival they had to get a job and companies that paid decent were only considering college grads...and what did college’s do? Continue to increase the cost of college tuition with really no improvement in the level of education.

The economy is better now because of Trump, we recognize most degrees are a joke, but 10 years ago that wasn’t the case. I get there seems to be some type of collective amnesia here, but 2007-2009 was a scary time for the economy, especially for those who were just starting in their career.

And for the comments that “well they should be plumbers or mechanics”, the only reason that those jobs are paying high wages are because there is a lack of skilled labor. The same was true of pharmacists a few years ago, now the market is flooded with them. I guarantee you in a few years there will be a glut of plumbers, welders, and mechanics due to the younger generation going into trade schools. It’s actually already happening to welders...

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Please explain how Bush caused the financial crisis . I have heard and read many attempts to explain it but it seems none of the reasons given can really be attributed to Bush . Your turn Truby20 .

 

[PeoplesElbow]

But back in the 90’s and 00’s it’s the only thing mid to top tier students were told to search for, going to the Tech Center was looked down upon. It was a terrible disservice to that generation by the boomers who were teaching in the schools, but that’s the way it was.

The way I remember it was it was looked down on by the other students, I do not recall any teacher ever looking down on it.

I graduated HS in the 90s and knew there were options and knew a college degree that could lead to a good paying job was the only one worth getting.

I actually knew a couple of students whose parents would only pay for college if they got a worthwhile degree.

The thing I remember the most was the sheer number that washed out of college. A friend of mine that was validictorian of a graduating class of over 700 washed out. I was about 35 in a class of about 135.

It is all about self education about what is right for you. I see the same thing with investing, people want someone to tell them what to do and then cry when they find out that wasn't the right choice for them.

 

[MiddleGround]

...but it’s a pretty thankless job with not the greatest pay, I guess they do feel a need to help the next generation and aren’t focused solely on earning money which seems to be driver of a more conservative perspective.

I got some news for you.... EVERY JOB is a "pretty thankless job."

By the way... I don't have the end customer's parents giving me 100s of dollars in gift cards at the end of each year either! Although I believe teachers don't make enough money, it is hardly a "thankless job."

 

[Gilligan]

fine you totally get it, graduating in 1976 and 2006 is the same, same economy, same skills expected, same high school experience.

this is the great thing about capitalism, all of the losers ending up on the streets will soon starve to death since they never learned CAD

it’s not like they will revolt, you know, since they know they made wrong choices....I guess that’s the plan, just keep screaming at them “you made the wrong choice!” and not look at the societal elements that drive them to that choice...just as societial elements drive you to your choices, and me to mine.

But your answer is to simply start giving everyone free stuff? How's that worked out where ever it's been tried before?

 

[GURPS]

Please explain how Bush caused the financial crisis .

by virtue of being A Republican in the White House