UAW launches strike against Big 3 automakers

[LightRoasted]

For you consideration ...

Gonna be a bloodbath, fiscally, and possibly for real.

For the class.

I wonder ..... Since these "Big 3" have operations in Mexico, I wonder if these demands affect those Mexican workers as well? (Rhetorical).

I see a future where these "Big 3" just say fugg it and pull out of the US altogether, as so many other manufacturers have, and build more assembly plants in Mexico, or expand what they currently have there.

One thought question ..... What about all those American workers building Acura, Honda, Toyota, BMW, Subaru, and other foreign cars, here in America? Are they hurting too? Why are they not going on strike as well?

I would like to see data on what those non union workers receive that don't get involved in a Roth or a 401.

I would bet this is why so many here in American have nothing more that a Social Security Check each month.
Having a job with forced deposits with there membership outside of a companies 401 gives those to foolish a few checks with retirement.
One has few choices in the Elevator Union with what is being saved, invested for them.

I weep with so many men I worked with in my younger years that were to stupid to get the matching funds (8% at one time) when as an Union associate with United Tech.

So what you are saying is that unions are for those that cannot be responsible for their own financial security and retirements? That they need someone else to hold their hands and financially manage and take care of them? And haven't there been union pension fund failures as well under poor leadership and/or financial chicanery?

 

[black dog]

For you consideration ...


So what you are saying is that unions are for those that cannot be responsible for their own financial security and retirements? That they need someone else to hold their hands and financially manage and take care of them? And haven't there been union pension fund failures as well under poor leadership and/or financial chicanery?

Thats not what I said. It envelops those whom were not taught or have the self control to do it on their own.
Just like Social Security my friend. What would America look like without SS benefits?
And I believe I have always said a quality or a good Union is who, one works for. I spent my years under a great umbrella.
The IUEC has never had any fund failures.

All of those people that keep telling me all these years that THEY should have full control of any Social Security, annuity or pension money and where and how its invested, never seem to want to kick up there investment paperwork to prove they have the knowledge to do just that.

 

[glhs837]

So, I care about them in a couple of different reasons. Unions that act like the Euro "trade councils". as partners in ensuring quality labor is part of providing quality work in a skilled trade are, or can generally be a benefit. But I also care that unions that are really just organized mobs of unskilled labor (hint, cleaning a hotel room or attaching the same car door on the assembly line for 30 years isn't skilled labor) are used as a means to blackmail overly high wages and benefits from companies. Those I care about because they affect the prices I pay in goods and services wiuthout an accompanying rise in quality like you get from the former types of unions.

As to LRs question's

1. Non-union US and foreign located US makers plants don't strike, but the latter might be affected by US plant strikes.
2. The US foreign makers (and Tesla) are doing fine and show its quite possible to make cars without the mob cancer that is the UAW.

 

[Kinnakeet]

My union pension is awesome

 

[Kyle]

I weep with so many men I worked with in my younger years that were to stupid to get the matching funds (8% at one time)

Leaving easy money on the table.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

My dad was a local union president and later a national representative within his union. Towards the end he was pretty upset what their once proud union had become. It had become more of a political organization than anything, their national office was taking their money and sending it to politicians. The only time anyone from the international contacted the locals it was about who to vote for.

 

[GregV814]

1) production of new car's chips delayed the sale new cars
2) gas prices rose
3) EV's surge
4) Obama/Biden hate oil production
5) Chip rolls in , but now the EV's burn up
6) you can steal a car with a power cord, not a screwdriver and a huge rock
7) "somebody" encourages UAW to strike...
8) now used cars with 200 thousand miles are $10,000.00
9) we need a new crisis


shall I go on?

 

[WingsOfGold]

Robotics and overseas assembly in the goons future. Phuck em.

 

[WingsOfGold]

Gonna be a bloodbath, fiscally, and possibly for real.

Hope so

 

[WingsOfGold]

Seems you have a lack of the things that Unions members have brought to the non union workers in the last 100 plus years.

Most worthy Unions do pay, on just the fact that they are still working. The Local Business Agent is now working mega overtime for nothing, The regional and International workers and Officers are also still working.
The employee's with the members healthcare, welfare and pension offices are also working. bills, paperwork and checks still need to be paid.

Noted for accuracy............ 100 years. Inflation? LOLOLOL bet your ass

 

[TPD]

What is the real cost of unions to the average consumer? That is the question. Maybe if not for unions, I don’t need a hefty pension or 401k to retire. Just like govt regs or building codes drive up the cost of everything making it unaffordable for the average person. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

[Merlin99]

It’s going to finish driving the industry out of the US

 

[glhs837]

 

[black dog]

My dad was a local union president and later a national representative within his union. Towards the end he was pretty upset what their once proud union had become. It had become more of a political organization than anything, their national office was taking their money and sending it to politicians. The only time anyone from the international contacted the locals it was about who to vote for.

Interesting, can I ask what Union and time period please?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Interesting, can I ask what Union and time period please?

It was the American Flint Glass Workers Union until they had to merge with Steel Workers Union in the very early 2000s, that is when it became all political. The Steel Workers Union even did robocalls about candidates they supported.

Dad had been a local president as early as the late 70s, then about the mid 80s he was nominated and voted as a national representative.

 

[black dog]

It was the American Flint Glass Workers Union until they had to merge with Steel Workers Union in the very early 2000s, that is when it became all political. The Steel Workers Union even did robocalls about candidates they supported.

Dad had been a local president as early as the late 70s, then about the mid 80s he was nominated and voted as a national representative.

So he was Downtown DC? AFL-CIO Building perhaps.
I ask, with my first wifes father and her four siblings did or still do International Union Law work.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

So he was Downtown DC? AFL-CIO Building perhaps.
I ask, with my first wifes father and her four siblings did or still do International Union Law work.

Oh no, the way national representative worked was he still worked his normal job and was local president, but he was one of twelve? That did things like negotiate contracts etc. Their national office was in Toledo OH btw. He got to bring my mom and me to some neat places, usually in Florida.

He was asked to work directly for the union and turned that down, wasn't for him.

 

[black dog]

Oh no, the way national representative worked was he still worked his normal job and was local president, but he was one of twelve? That did things like negotiate contracts etc. Their national office was in Toledo OH btw. He got to bring my mom and me to some neat places, usually in Florida.

He was asked to work directly for the union and turned that down, wasn't for him.

Thank you.

 

[PrchJrkr]

:****emandfeedembeans:

 

[SamSpade]

I've only ever had to observe and interact with unions a few times. Way back when I was a carpenter working for a very small company, we'd either work alongside union workers or do JOBS next to union jobs. I noticed on one job, when the boss was away getting supplies - the union guys just stood around until he got back. They took long breaks all day, and at any given time, at least one guy wasn't doing much. We were doing the same thing - rebuilding a front wraparound porch. We had half the guys and got it done in two days - by the end of the week - they were still at it.

The only way we made any money - was the NEXT job. The faster and more we worked, the more money we made. They had a secure paycheck - they could work as slow as humanly possible.

Since I now work for the federal government - it's the government union I work with. From experience we have all consistently learned - the main purpose of the union there is to protect the jobs of people who really ought to be fired. Late, absent, leave early, work slow or not at all. Drunk, high, inept, shoddy workmanship, insubordinate, loud and rude. The union only has a fraction of the total, but everyone knows who joins them - the ones you don't want on your staff.

Sorry if that offends, but that's thirty plus years of very consistent observation. I think PUBLIC unions have long since outlived their usefulness.