UAW launches strike against Big 3 automakers

[black dog]

You are right of course. Any job that doesn't take any thought whatsoever has been replaced by a robot, and pretty soon the robots will think, and the UAW will disappear.

They said the same in the early 70's with computers, we have a bigger workforce now than ever.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

If thats why you think that the reason for unions are for Sam, you've never worked for a quality Union.
Haters gonna Hate...

I have a pretty poor opinion of whatever union it was I was in when I worked at Kroger 15 hrs/week when I was a kid. My dad, while still a union rep, did also. Basically they took half of my meger paycheck my first 6 months while not doing anything about the assistant manager that had some sort of hard-on for me.

 

[black dog]

I have a pretty poor opinion of whatever union it was I was in when I worked at Kroger 15 hrs/week when I was a kid. My dad, while still a union rep, did also. Basically they took half of my meger paycheck my first 6 months while not doing anything about the assistant manager that had some sort of hard-on for me.

Kroger / Pay-less is still Union out here anyway. I shop at a Pay-less about once a month, I will ask a few employees that have worked there a long time. I have an ex BIL that worked for Kroger during college 40? years ago as a stock-man at night.
He still speeks very favorably of the Kroger Corp.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Kroger / Pay-less is still Union out here anyway. I shop at a Pay-less about once a month, I will ask a few employees that have worked there a long time. I have an ex BIL that worked for Kroger during college 40? years ago as a stock-man at night.
He still speeks very favorably of the Kroger Corp.

My issue with them was the union took $5/week initiation for the first 6 months and then the dues of $20/month. I made 5.25/hr and only worked 12-18hr/week (averaging 15), so the fourth week of every month my check was less than $20.

The asst manager that had a hard-on for me ended up getting fired for striking an employee, he had been jumped in the parking lot a few times up to that point so I guess he decided to act first this time. My friends dad was the regional manager and was the one to fire him.

 

[limblips]

Most worthy Unions do pay, on just the fact that they are still working.

So you agree there are unworthy unions, good start. Why do we need unions today whern we have

• Bureau of International Labor Affairs (ILAB)
• Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)
• Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA)
• Employment and Training Administration (ETA)
• Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA)
• Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)
• Office of Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs (OCIA)
• Office of the Assistant Secretary for Administration and Management (OASAM)

For a more complete list https://www.dol.gov/general/jobs/dol-sub-agencies#

Is it because these numerous excessive agencies aren't doing their jobs or that we need government agencies to do what the unions aren't doing? There was a time where the workers wrongly had no protections or representation and industry exploited them. The unions fixed that. Kudos to them. Now the unions are just a voting block supported by the dems and funded by the workers.

Either we need unions or we need government agencies but we certainly don't need both. The Department of Redundency Department comes to mind. If unions and the members feel the numerous agencies aren't protecting the workers then why do they vote for more government control over those workers?

 

[glhs837]

Have you ever worked in or around a US Auto Plant?

I've never understood why the big three puts up with the UAW's Just let the contracts die.
Its not like they haven't learned to move factorys.



And most typical UAW line workers don't make $45.00 an hr either. On average around 20 bucks I believe.
Lets look at the years some of the temp workers have been working with the illusion with constantly being told told they will become a GM employee with all its benefits?

Thats where the tiers came from after the bailout. Now the UAW sees they have the makers over the barrel and have decided everybody's gonna get $45.

Why didnt the makers let the UAW go? Did you see teh scandals a few years back, basically the union guys were buying the auto execs with booze, vacations and women. And the UAW could be counted on for some extra lobbying muscle/money.

 

[black dog]

So you agree there are unworthy unions, good start. Why do we need unions today whern we have

• Bureau of International Labor Affairs (ILAB)
• Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)
• Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA)
• Employment and Training Administration (ETA)
• Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA)
• Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA)
• Office of Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs (OCIA)
• Office of the Assistant Secretary for Administration and Management (OASAM)

For a more complete list https://www.dol.gov/general/jobs/dol-sub-agencies#

Is it because these numerous excessive agencies aren't doing their jobs or that we need government agencies to do what the unions aren't doing? There was a time where the workers wrongly had no protections or representation and industry exploited them. The unions fixed that. Kudos to them. Now the unions are just a voting block supported by the dems and funded by the workers.

Either we need unions or we need government agencies but we certainly don't need both. The Department of Redundency Department comes to mind. If unions and the members feel the numerous agencies aren't protecting the workers then why do they vote for more government control over those workers?

Other than The Dept of Labor overseeing my Pension I would have had zero interest in any Federal Angencies being involved with any part of my contracts.
What makes you think that all Union Members vote that way?
Its an easy answer, dont want to work Union?
****ing don't. We dont care...

 

[black dog]

Thats where the tiers came from after the bailout. Now the UAW sees they have the makers over the barrel and have decided everybody's gonna get $45.

Why didnt the makers let the UAW go? Did you see teh scandals a few years back, basically the union guys were buying the auto execs with booze, vacations and women. And the UAW could be counted on for some extra lobbying muscle/money.

Dont know, nor care.
.Looks like The Union UPS workers did pretty well with their next contract.

 

[black dog]

Bueller...Bueller..... Bueller

Yea, thats what I thought.

 

[glhs837]

Dont know, nor care.
.Looks like The Union UPS workers did pretty well with their next contract.

Yep, thats what partnership looks like,

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/23/1195383661/ups-workers-approve-5-year-contract-capping-contentious-negotiations#:~:text=Under%20the%20tentative%20agreement%2C%20full,of%20the%20five%2Dyear%20contract.

Under the tentative agreement, full- and part-time union workers will get $2.75 more per hour in 2023, and $7.50 more in total by the end of the five-year contract.

 

[GURPS]

Bueller...Bueller..... Bueller

Yea, thats what I thought.

You thought what ?

 

[black dog]

You thought what ?

Post #50

 

[GURPS]

So, currently where you are employed what benefits do you receive at retirement?

I work for an Employee owned Company

 

[black dog]

I work for an Employee owned Company

Third time, what benefits will you receive at retirement?

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

I have a pretty poor opinion of whatever union it was I was in when I worked at Kroger 15 hrs/week when I was a kid. My dad, while still a union rep, did also. Basically they took half of my meger paycheck my first 6 months while not doing anything about the assistant manager that had some sort of hard-on for me.

Also wondered how they could get someone under the age of 18 to enter into a contract, (with the union), when it is against the law, (under 18 cannot enter into a legally binding contracts), and to have their wages garnished for union dues. Seems to be such a thing would be unenforceable.

 

[WingsOfGold]

They said the same in the early 70's with computers, we have a bigger workforce now than ever.

Well beings the population went up by double or so that might have something to do with it.

 

[GURPS]

The union wants that plant back open, and apparently Stellantis already had a plan in mind to do just that, while closing 18 other U.S. facilities.

Be careful what you wish for, UAW. You might just get it.

The most recent contract proposal by automaker Stellantis to the United Auto Workers union could lead to the closure of 18 U.S. facilities, but it could also bring new investments and repurpose an idled vehicle assembly plant in Illinois, sources familiar with the discussions told CNBC.
The plans would likely affect thousands of UAW members, shrink the automaker’s North American footprint and create a new “modernized” parts and distribution network, which company and union leaders were at odds over, the sources said.
A focal point of the plan is possible closures of 10 “Mopar” parts and distribution centers, which are scattered across the country, to consolidate them into larger Amazon-like distribution centers, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the talks are private and ongoing. The proposal included a potential “Mega Hub” at Belvidere Assembly, which the automaker indefinitely idled in February.

See, guys? You get your plant reopened – well, the building anyway. And the “Amazon-like” should strike fear into every member’s heart, because what jobs aren’t going away when they close those now unneeded smaller MOPAR centers, etc, will require moving the lucky union members who get to keep jobs across country.

Union leaders probably took a good gulp at the offer when it crossed the desk.

…Reopening the Illinois plant would be a major win for UAW leaders, but they have concerns about employment, uprooting workers and families, along with pay and automation, according to two of the sources.
Specifically, they worry new facilities may not employ as many union members as the assembly plants and current parts and distribution centers, they said. Mopar jobs also pay less than positions at traditional assembly facilities such as Belvidere, which was producing Jeep Cherokee SUVs until its idling in February.

And then they blew it out the door with their usual graceless bluster.

Stellantis tells UAW they'll reopen that plant the union's so hep on

hotair.com

 

[BOP]

"This fight is our generation’s defining moment. Not just at the Big Three, but across the entire working class...."

Well, and I see this as the real problem. All these useful idiots on the left, aligned to whatever their special cause, see their issue as their own generational watershed cause. In other words, each cause is their Vietnam anti-war movement; their march for civil rights; their movement for equal rights, and so on.

That's not the end goal of the hustlers and the grifters who manipulate and control them by keeping them constantly stirred up, but they're too stupid to realize that they're being played.

 

[BOP]

for sale, 1983 Chevy Citation, 400K miles, recent pressure wash....... 25,000 dollars.

Is that the one that caught fire when it backfired through the exhaust manifold while I was checking for vacuum leaks with carburetor cleaner, and the customer had to tow it out because of the fire retardant got down the carburetor?

We told them it needed a carburetor.

 

[black dog]

Yep, thats what partnership looks like,

Do we believe that company would have just offered the upgrades without Union Represation?
They can always pay an employee more per hour and better perks. But they werent doing that.