Ukraine / Russia - Actions and Reactions
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Archie had it right, Shutup Meathead....
Moving into a Western European Sphere of influence the past 20 yrs is / was the threat
Ukraine President seen as a Western Puppet
Of course Putin is the implementer of his own fears coming to fruition ... Ukraine defiantly in the west camp applying for EU Membership and Pushing for NATO Entrance
Because as I said earlier, Russians appear to naturally be a paranoid bunch.
Can you blame them ?
How many times has ' Russia ' Been Invaded
Invasion of Russia can refer to:
- Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus' (1223–1236), a series of invasions that resulted in the Rus states becoming vassals of the Golden Horde.
- Russo-Crimean Wars (1571), an Ottoman invasion that penetrated Russia and destroyed Moscow.
- Polish–Muscovite War (1605–1618), Poland gained Severia and Smolensk.
- Ingrian War (1610–1617), a Swedish invasion which captured Novgorod and Pskov.
- Swedish invasion of Russia (1707), an unsuccessful Swedish invasion.
- French invasion of Russia (1812), an unsuccessful invasion by Napoleon's French Empire and its allies.
- Japanese invasion of Sakhalin (1905), an invasion and annexation by the Japanese.
- Eastern Front (World War I) (1914–1918), Russia was forced to cede Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic states to Germany as the Russian Empire collapsed.
- Caucasus campaign (1914-1918), a series of conflicts between the Russian Empire, its various successor states, and the Ottoman Empire.
- Japanese intervention in Siberia (1918-1922), an occupation of the Russian Far East by Japanese soldiers during the Russian Civil War.
- Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War and the contemporaneous Polish–Soviet War (1919–1921), the Polish occupation of Belarus and West Ukraine.
- Operation Barbarossa (1941), a German-led invasion that started the Eastern Front of World War II.
- Kantokuen (1941), an aborted plan for a major Japanese invasion of the Russian Far East during World War II.
- Operation Unthinkable (1945), a proposed contingency plan for an Anglo-American invasion of the Soviet Union developed by the British Chiefs of Staff during the later stages of World War II.
- War of Dagestan (1999), a repulsed Chechen invasion of Dagestan.
So you agree with Putin?Can you blame them ?
How many times has ' Russia ' Been Invaded
Invasion of Russia can refer to:
- Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus' (1223–1236), a series of invasions that resulted in the Rus states becoming vassals of the Golden Horde.
- Russo-Crimean Wars (1571), an Ottoman invasion that penetrated Russia and destroyed Moscow.
- Polish–Muscovite War (1605–1618), Poland gained Severia and Smolensk.
- Ingrian War (1610–1617), a Swedish invasion which captured Novgorod and Pskov.
- Swedish invasion of Russia (1707), an unsuccessful Swedish invasion.
- French invasion of Russia (1812), an unsuccessful invasion by Napoleon's French Empire and its allies.
- Japanese invasion of Sakhalin (1905), an invasion and annexation by the Japanese.
- Eastern Front (World War I) (1914–1918), Russia was forced to cede Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic states to Germany as the Russian Empire collapsed.
- Caucasus campaign (1914-1918), a series of conflicts between the Russian Empire, its various successor states, and the Ottoman Empire.
- Japanese intervention in Siberia (1918-1922), an occupation of the Russian Far East by Japanese soldiers during the Russian Civil War.
- Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War and the contemporaneous Polish–Soviet War (1919–1921), the Polish occupation of Belarus and West Ukraine.
- Operation Barbarossa (1941), a German-led invasion that started the Eastern Front of World War II.
- Kantokuen (1941), an aborted plan for a major Japanese invasion of the Russian Far East during World War II.
- Operation Unthinkable (1945), a proposed contingency plan for an Anglo-American invasion of the Soviet Union developed by the British Chiefs of Staff during the later stages of World War II.
- War of Dagestan (1999), a repulsed Chechen invasion of Dagestan.
Biden’s CIA Director Doesn’t Believe Biden’s Story about Ukraine
The Biden narrative isn’t entirely false. Putin surely does fear that a democratic, pro-Western Ukraine could inspire popular uprisings in his country. But it is partially false because it suggests that were Putin not in power, Russia’s government would have no problem with Ukraine joining NATO. And it implies that the US bears no responsibility for the current standoff. According to Bill Burns, Biden’s own CIA Director, neither of those claims are true.
Two years ago, Burns wrote a memoir entitled, The Back Channel. It directly contradicts the argument being proffered by the administration he now serves. In his book, Burns says over and over that Russians of all ideological stripes—not just Putin—loathed and feared NATO expansion. He quotes a memo he wrote while serving as counselor for political affairs at the US embassy in Moscow in 1995. ‘Hostility to early NATO expansion,” it declares, “is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” On the question of extending NATO membership to Ukraine, Burns’ warnings about the breadth of Russian opposition are even more emphatic. “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin),” he wrote in a 2008 memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. “In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”
While the Biden administration claims that Putin bears all the blame for the current Ukraine crisis, Burns makes clear that the US helped lay its foundations. By taking advantage of Russian weakness, he argues, Washington fueled the nationalist resentment that Putin exploits today. Burns calls the Clinton administration’s decision to expand NATO to include Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic “premature at best, and needlessly provocative at worst.” And he describes the appetite for revenge it fostered among many in Moscow during Boris Yeltsin’s final years as Russia’s president. “As Russians stewed in their grievance and sense of disadvantage,” Burns writes, “a gathering storm of ‘stab in the back’ theories slowly swirled, leaving a mark on Russia’s relations with the West that would linger for decades.”
I'm only offering a potential reason for his actions ... stupid though they are ..... the West bears some culpability here ... making a paranoid man more paranoid
Of course you know I'm just yanking your chain and beating CC to the punch.
I think KGB training has something to do with that too.
Just Say No To World War 3
The ongoing conflict in Ukraine commenced many moons ago.
Since the establishment of modern Ukraine, both the West and Russia have been playing tug of war over influence in Ukraine. In recent years, the United States, the EU, and NATO have been vacuuming up influence in Ukraine, causing concern to the leaders of their nuclear-armed border state in Russia. The Russian political elite, especially Vladimir Putin himself, perceive this continuing encroachment as a threat to Russia’s standing in the world, and their own power, threatening their place in Moscow’s political hierarchy.
Ukraine has, unsurprisingly, not at all benefited from these geopolitical positioning battles, as it remains the objectively poorest and arguably most corrupt nation in all of Europe.
At the turn of the century, relations between Russia and the West had increasingly soured, and both forces began playing a greater and greater role in the internal politics of the post-USSR independent nation. There is a lot of blame to go around, and both sides have very much contributed to the current mess.
Adding countries to NATO forced their hand for defensive purposes. They took over Belarus as a buffer. Ukraine being mentioned for NATO was the reason to go in. Neutral Ukraine was the buffer. Plus the oil & gas deposits in Ukraine that would cut into their economy once they sold to western Europe. The deposits in the breakaway areas in Ukraine might be enough to end it. Having them for Russia is a key. Putin took over Crimea for their large natural gas deposits. More competition eliminated.