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glhs837

Power with Control
Maybe ten, maybe twelve.

During SERE training in the 80s, our captors were allegedly some Soviet buffer state. One of the instructor/bad guys was this hulking black guy. After we were hooded and stuffed into the truck to be taken to the camp, one of us stage whispered "I didn't know there were black Russians outside of the drinks in a bar." Who would have guessed that out of the eight or so bad guys he was in the truck with us.

Sooooooo, after a quick stop to unload that guy for a quick beating by said black Russian with some awesome badly accented lessons in the diverse ways of the Soviet, we were back our our way. :) The real lesson of course was to keep your trap shut.
 

UglyBear

Well-Known Member
During SERE training in the 80s, our captors were allegedly some Soviet buffer state. One of the instructor/bad guys was this hulking black guy. After we were hooded and stuffed into the truck to be taken to the camp, one of us stage whispered "I didn't know there were black Russians outside of the drinks in a bar." Who would have guessed that out of the eight or so bad guys he was in the truck with us.

Sooooooo, after a quick stop to unload that guy for a quick beating by said black Russian with some awesome badly accented lessons in the diverse ways of the Soviet, we were back our our way. :) The real lesson of course was to keep your trap shut.
Old Soviet joke:
A captured CIA agent is being interrogated by the KGB. He can’t understand how they made him: “I studied Russian for over ten years, and honed perfect Orel accent. All of my clothes were local, properly worn. A bottle of local vodka sticking out of my pocket. Just right amount of stubble. Authentic documents of a drunk plumber at a nuclear factory. How did you make me?”
KGB agent: Dude, we don’t have black drunk plumbers in USSR.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Old Soviet joke:
A captured CIA agent is being interrogated by the KGB. He can’t understand how they made him: “I studied Russian for over ten years, and honed perfect Orel accent. All of my clothes were local, properly worn. A bottle of local vodka sticking out of my pocket. Just right amount of stubble. Authentic documents of a drunk plumber at a nuclear factory. How did you make me?”
KGB agent: Dude, we don’t have black drunk plumbers in USSR.
That reminds me of an episode of timeless.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
The absolute best was, when we were stuffed in our boxes awaiting interrogation, and to keep everybody awake, they walked around beating the boxes with a bat, when your box was hit, you had to yell out your war criminal number preceded and followed by Sir. Emphasizes their control and your own powerlessness.

About 10 or so of these in, one guy yells out "Be right out, taking a shower". Oh, he was right out all right. :) And he took a beating, but later during debrief they singled him out. Pulling such a stunt was a risk, they acknowledged, but they also said that the morale boost of such a stunt was a powerful force and sometimes worth the beating. Beatings fade, but reinforcing positive feelings for 40 other men, that lasts.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
From FB, why is Ukraine so important?
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PJay

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Some of what’s happening in Ukraine might make more sense if you read Devolution - Part 17 - From Ukraine with Love

~ PatelPatriot


 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Victor Davis Hanson: Russia's Ukraine invasion a wake-up call to AOC and 'Squad'



Hoover Institution fellow Victor Davis Hanson rebuked Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY, for promoting radical left policies and discussed the geopolitical implications of Russia's invasion Thursday on "Jesse Watters Primetime."



VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: If the United States is [energy independent] … then we don't beg people in the Middle East or Russia to help us. If the oil price [is] moderate, the economies in the West thrive, and Vladimir Putin doesn't have financial reserves that can subsidize as an invasion.

Just think of the lead-up to [the invasion]. In January, we had these hackers from Russia [going] ... after the Colonial Pipeline in the United States. They took out a million barrels a day, and that was after we had been cutting back. … [Then] we had the Senate Democrats who [sic] wrote a veto to sanction the Nord Stream Pipeline. Energy is a subtext of all of the preliminaries up to this.


And I think in retrospect, we're going to grow up. We're going to look back at AOC's insane efforts and people in the Squad in the hard left to shut down voluntarily almost 3 million barrels a day of oil production. … [T]hat results in … real deaths — people die when you do that, and they have to realize that — it's crazy.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Ukrainians Just Happy That Americans Saved 16 Cents On Their July 4 BBQs

At publishing time, Ukrainians had added that they were also glad the U.S. military is far more inclusive and diverse.


 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

What the West doesn't understand about Russia or Ukraine




Having grown up in the Soviet Union in the 1980s, I can safely say that most Russians view Ukraine as part of Russia. It is impossible to speak for a nation of 144 million people, especially long after leaving. However, the Russian view of geopolitics and history has, paradoxically, become more assertively nationalistic than it was during the Soviet era, when it tellingly embraced Joseph Stalin as a model leader.

With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, 14 republics were freed from the Kremlin’s grasp, only to discover that genuine independence would prove no simple matter. Russia “never accepted anything but conditional independence of the former republics, predicated on an alliance with Moscow and belonging to Russia’s sphere of influence,” Serhii Plokhii, a Harvard professor of Ukrainian history, recently wrote in the Financial Times. Belarus hewed closely to Russia, while the three Baltic states sought (and achieved) close ties to Western Europe.

At the same time, Putin was never shy about exerting Russian force if he saw the more economically and culturally consequential of the former Soviet states straying too far afield. He invaded Georgia in 2008, then Ukraine in 2014. The current crisis can be seen as a redoubled effort to remind the former republics that there are consequences for defying the Kremlin.

In the United States and Western Europe, Putin has been described as a warmongering bully who deserves a strong brushback from the West. “You’ve got to punch him in the nose,” former Central Intelligence Agency officer John Sipher told Yahoo News last week.

The West is preparing to do just that, with sanctions and military support to Ukraine. But none of that will erase Russian grievances that have festered for decades — and are inarguably at work today. Understanding those grievances is crucial to engaging in what some are describing as a new Cold War.





@UglyBear


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Crabcake42

Active Member
To enlighten you on how extreme you folks are, 85% of American’s have a negative view of Russia, the highest since the Cold War.

This forum is full of support of Putin and Russia, simply because Trump tells you to….just disgusting.

 

PJay

Well-Known Member
May God grant Vladimir Putin and the Christian forces of Russia a complete and comprehensive victory over the satanic globalists in Ukraine.

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