US Marines killed innocent women and children

[Ken King]

You need a history lesson . We invaded Iraq because we thought he had wmd. Where the F#$# are they? Turns out he was just one of those crackpot dictators. I will agreee and say the world is a better place without saddam but remember, Iraqis didnt fly the planes in 911. If that were the case, we would have invaded sep 12/01. The United States' official position was that Iraq illegally possessed "weapons of mass destruction" in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 and had to be disarmed by force. WTF does this have to do with 911?

No, we invaded Iraq due to all the reasons laid out in the Iraq War Resolution. WMDs were only one aspect of that agreement, chemical/biological warheads were found along with some active mortar shells, and there was the issue of having missiles that exceed the ranges that the UN had authorized them to have. UN 1441 was the "last chance agreement" for Iraq to come clean on all of their weapons programs, which of course the didn't comply with as required.

 

[willie]

You need a history lesson . We invaded Iraq because we thought he had wmd. Where the F#$# are they? Turns out he was just one of those crackpot dictators. I will agreee and say the world is a better place without saddam but remember, Iraqis didnt fly the planes in 911. If that were the case, we would have invaded sep 12/01. The United States' official position was that Iraq illegally possessed "weapons of mass destruction" in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 and had to be disarmed by force. WTF does this have to do with 911?

You anti American pacifist are a real screwed up group. Do you care about your kids? Grandkids? the world after the almighty YOU? I don't think so. You think Khadaffi crawled back in his box because Ronnie politely asked him to? I can't figure out what motivates your type unless it is just a chickenshit idea of self preservation for today and let someone else worry about tomorrow. You go far beyond the "Whacked out liberal" label (®Mike), you are a lousy American. On second thought, maybe you aren't an American???

 

[RangerJohn]

Ronnie's old punching bag Muammar has been awfully quiet and well-behaved lately. When he saw the way the wind was blowing, he remembered the lessons that the Navy delivered to his door. He quickly distanced himself from all of his old buddies and started cozying up to GW.

 

[frstabbo]

You anti American pacifist are a real screwed up group. Do you care about your kids? Grandkids? the world after the almighty YOU? I don't think so. You think Khadaffi crawled back in his box because Ronnie politely asked him to? I can't figure out what motivates your type unless it is just a chickenshit idea of self preservation for today and let someone else worry about tomorrow. You go far beyond the "Whacked out liberal" label (®Mike), you are a lousy American. On second thought, maybe you aren't an American???

Just because I dont agree with you does not make me anti american. Disagree and call me all the names you want, but dont call me anti-american.

I see marines dying everyday and some of you may say that is the cost of the war on terror. We invaded iraq and disposed of its leader. Any worldwide threat of Iraq has been thwarted. We should be moving into Pakistan and Iran and start looking for the real masterminds behind 911. Thats where they probably are. I really dont give a s h it If iraq goes into civil war if we leave. Let them kill their own. Our job is done there and we should be moving on.

Just for your info..I was born and raised here and I have stepped foot in at least 25 of our 50 states..I have probably have seen more of our country than you.
(Planning on seeing all 50).

 

[Ken King]

Any worldwide threat of Iraq has been thwarted. We should be moving into Pakistan and Iran and start looking for the real masterminds behind 911. Thats where they probably are. I really dont give a s h it If iraq goes into civil war if we leave. Let them kill their own. Our job is done there and we should be moving on.

Just for your info..I was born and raised here and I have stepped foot in at least 25 of our 50 states..I have probably have seen more of our country than you.
(Planning on seeing all 50).

No, the threat is not done with or else there still wouldn't be combat taking place. The threat exists until the new Iraq is capable of policing its own problems. They aren't there yet.

The mastermind behind 9/11 is still being hunted down, he however has the advantage of knowing the terrain and the people. We won't give up on him.

Even though I don't think I've called you any name I will speak to your last comment. I have been to all 50 states, big deal, doesn't make one more American then someone that doesn't leave their home state or town for that matter, it makes one more of a tourist.

 

[vraiblonde]

It is sad that innocent people are dying in this war..

I agree. And I think it's sad that there have to be wars at all - it just doesn't seem like the best way to settle differences.

But the thing is that some people don't understand anything other than a swift ass-kicking. The US doesn't invade other countries for the purpose of conquering them and acquiring their land - typically it's to protect ourselves or join forces in protecting another nation. Saddam Hussein had no qualms about invading other countries. The US also doesn't threaten other countries with nukes - our MO is to try peace talks and work it out.

So it's aggravating when the US has bent over repeatedly to keep peace, yet we get the blame when some lunatic dictator can't be reasoned with. Saddam invaded Kuwait as a pure power play - they never did anything to him and there was no reason for him to make trouble except he wanted Kuwait's stuff. What was the rest of the world supposed to do - just let him go?

 

[Toxick]

We invaded iraq and disposed of its leader. Any worldwide threat of Iraq has been thwarted.

Do you really think that it's a smart move to simply leave the country in the condition its in right now?

I really dont give a s h it If iraq goes into civil war if we leave. Let them kill their own. Our job is done there and we should be moving on.

That's a mind-bogglingly short-sighted comment.

We're not there out of the goodness of our hearts, keeping the big bad arab-people from turning each other into cole slaw. We're there making sure we don't leave the place in chaos, so the bastards don't come back later as an even bigger threat than they were before we flushed Hussein down the shitter.


Look what happened when we simply left the Mujahadeen to their own devices.

 

[canadaguy]

frstabbo,

You are a complete disgrace. If it wasnt for the armed forces, you wouldnt be enjoying the freedom you have. Give them the benifit of the doubt. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Penn]

frstabbo,

You are a complete disgrace. If it wasnt for the armed forces, you wouldn't be enjoying the freedom you have. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Everyone is innocent until pr oven guilty.

Let's face it: It's an effed up war/conflict we're engaged in over there.

The conventional rules we're used to following just won't - and isn't cutting it.

I don't understand the idea that we can't cut the fcukers off at the borders; not as if we don't know where they're coming from.

Our intel folks should know darn well from which country these madmen/bombers are sneaking through from.

Unmanned Predators should be used to wipe them from the face of the earth!

If it is Yemen or Jordan, or Iran, why can't our troops just bomb the shaitt out of them, when we spot their incursions, and be done with it?

 

[Ken King]

If it is Yemen or Jordan, or Iran, why can't our troops just bomb the shaitt out of them, when we spot their incursions, and be done with it?

Yeah, our guys should patrol the Yemen border.

 

[vraiblonde]

You need a history lesson . We invaded Iraq because we thought he had wmd.

WTF does this have to do with 911?

Just because I dont agree with you does not make me anti american.

What makes you anti-American are statements like the above. Why are you so willing to believe that YOUR President is this terrible person who takes us to war on a lark (blood for oil?), yet the guy in Iraq, who was not only torturing and killing his own citizens but threatening other nations, is just a "crackpot"?

You believed that United States Marines willfully slaughtered innocent women and children, based on allegations - didn't even really want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

THOSE are the things that peg you as anti-American. So stop with the "I'm a patriot, too!" crap because you're not fooling anyone.

 

[SamSpade]

You need a history lesson . ...... WTF does this have to do with 911?

Hell, I was gonna ask "what does this have to do with Pearl Harbor? or the Alamo? or the sinking of the Maine?".

The correct answer is NOT "nothing".

The correct answer is "it is IRRELEVANT".

The statements made after the war were that we were going to fight a war against terror against organizations with a global reach - and that included any state lending them their support. It means groups like al-Qaeda are on our list - but does not inlcude groups like Aum Shin Rikyo or Basque separatists. It means nations like North Korea and Iran are candidates - as is Syria and Libya, although as of late, they are beginning to behave themselves.

And it includes nations like Iraq, which in addition to refusing to comply with the conditions that ended the Gulf War, throwing out inspectors, building long-range missiles, acquiring weaponry and illegal technology, clearly at least *trying* to embark on a nuclear weapon (while they were supposed to be dismantling one) program, bankrolling Palestinian terrorists, harboring terrorist camps in the north, running illegal chemical weapons programs - there's ample evidence they were very much involved in a host of other terror activities.

This, while under the scrutiny of the UN, supposedly complying with resolutions to dismantle and destroy its weaponry - which they were, covertly, building up again.

In lieu of this and other evidence - if you were to come across evidence from no less than five different intelligence agencies of allies confirming that he was building an arsenal of weapons - would you sit around and wait for ANOTHER 9-11 to occur? Does it MATTER that he didn't create the first one? Are you going to wait until the second one before acting?

Bush is often criticisized for not acting pre-emptively on intel regarding 9-11. Some guy made millions on a movie about it. But when he does act pre-emptively - against Iraq - he's criticized for actually DOING what he's criticized for NOT doing regarding 9-11. Damned if you do etc.

You know what I never hear?

"What I Would Have Done, If I'd Been in George's Shoes". You know, alternatives. Solutions. *Workable* solutions. Anything.

No it's easier to just fling dung from their cages.

 

[canadaguy]

You need a history lesson . We invaded Iraq because we thought he had wmd. Where the F#$# are they? Turns out he was just one of those crackpot dictators. I will agreee and say the world is a better place without saddam but remember, Iraqis didnt fly the planes in 911. If that were the case, we would have invaded sep 12/01. The United States' official position was that Iraq illegally possessed "weapons of mass destruction" in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 and had to be disarmed by force. WTF does this have to do with 911?

frstabbo,
Last time I checked, Terrorism is terrorism. Fly a plane into a building or gas some people, its still terrorism. Thats the 911 connection. Saddam was a terrorist at heart and was probably jumping up and down when the planes hit.

I suppose you want those chaps up here charged with enough explosives to bring down a skyscaper released because they are harmless..Im already seeing these muslim groups protesting the arrests up here and it makes me sick. I suppose they were all going into the lawn care business with 3 tones of ammonium nitrate. What about the detonators..Um well....

 

[Penn]

Yeah, our guys should patrol the Yemen border.

Oops! I meant to say Syria - but Yemen popped in there first! Hell, Yemen is too damned far away.

Now Syria is a different thing altogether. Use the armed Predators, and blast these insurgents to where Allah lives - screw the virgins!

 

[SamSpade]

frstabbo,
Last time I checked, Terrorism is terrorism. Fly a plane into a building or gas some people, its still terrorism. Thats the 911 connection. Saddam was a terrorist at heart and was probably jumping up and down when the planes hit.

You know, I could *almost* see the point of "what's Saddam got to do with 9-11" if it weren't for the fact that when we DID decide to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan - people were against THAT TOO. You remember? Hundreds of thousands of dead civilians; bogged down forever in the hills of Afghanistan, failing where a dozen armies have failed before, from Alexander the Great, to the Brits, to the Russians. They were against retaliation at EXACTLY the very ones who attacked us. Then we turned our attention to the next biggest threat in the world, Iraq.

That's when they asked "what does this have to do with 9-11?". I want to shout "we did that already, please keep up".

 

[Larry Gude]

Did someone call me?

You need a history lesson . We invaded Iraq because we thought he had wmd. Where the F#$# are they? Turns out he was just one of those crackpot dictators. I will agreee and say the world is a better place without saddam but remember, Iraqis didnt fly the planes in 911. If that were the case, we would have invaded sep 12/01. The United States' official position was that Iraq illegally possessed "weapons of mass destruction" in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 and had to be disarmed by force. WTF does this have to do with 911?

Here's why we invaded Iraq;

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

You'll find that the goal was not to establish that he had them; we knew that. We invaded to enforce and verify Iraq's compliance as regards WMD's.

From your viewpoint you should be saying "Hooray! It's not as bad as feared NOR are we uncertain any longer NOR is the prospect of further violations on the immediate horizon."

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

 

[Larry Gude]

Why?

You know, I could *almost* see the point of "what's Saddam got to do with 9-11" if it weren't for the fact that when we DID decide to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan - people were against THAT TOO. You remember? Hundreds of thousands of dead civilians; bogged down forever in the hills of Afghanistan, failing where a dozen armies have failed before, from Alexander the Great, to the Brits, to the Russians. They were against retaliation at EXACTLY the very ones who attacked us. Then we turned our attention to the next biggest threat in the world, Iraq.

That's when they asked "what does this have to do with 9-11?". I want to shout "we did that already, please keep up".

...I mean, we have this, http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

...so how could anyone 'almost' think otherwise? Invading Iraq was established as in the national interest based on sound reasoning, experience and, AND a lack of accurate knowledge of what he was actually doing. We decided the time had come to remove the doubt.

People can want it to be otherwise until the cows come home. It will NOT change the facts nor will it change the votes.

 

[smoothmarine187]

Some of our marines are a disgrace. Just because insurgents killed one of our marines with a bomb, that does not give us the right to slaughter innocent women and children. A shameful day for america. Iraq's my lai..Disgusting.



On Scene: Picking up the Pieces In Haditha - TIME

 

[residentofcre]

It's a dam good thing that some of you weren't around during the first or second world wars.....

You have every right to spread whatever propaganda you can get your hands on and assist the enemy in any way you can by doing so... shame on you....

 

[residentofcre]

twl's wife has the best link.... watch this again

YouTube - Remembering 9/11

Make no mistake about it... we are still at war.... and we are still looking for WMD's everywhere......