Wait, I thought no one was above the law?

vraiblonde

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I’m certain this is one of those fake-conservative C-SPAN callers.

they don’t fool anyone and yet they keep doing it.

And like all those "independents" and "moderates" who never met a far left DNC talking point they didn't love.

"Oh, I'm an independent!"

No, Spanky, you're a Democrat dronebot barfing up talking points I've seen a million times on Twitter and Tik Tok.

The test is to ask them to prove they're independent/moderate by saying something good about Trump or Republicans. They can't do it. They start speaking in tongues and burst into flames.
 

Kyle

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And like all those "independents" and "moderates" who never met a far left DNC talking point they didn't love.

"Oh, I'm an independent!"

No, Spanky, you're a Democrat dronebot barfing up talking points I've seen a million times on Twitter and Tik Tok.

The test is to ask them to prove they're independent/moderate by saying something good about Trump or Republicans. They can't do it. They start speaking in tongues and burst into flames.
Yeah, one in my office was asked what she liked about Trump.

She said he had nice hair.
 

22AcaciaAve

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I’m certain this is one of those fake-conservative C-SPAN callers.

they don’t fool anyone and yet they keep doing it.

Fake conservative.....that's funny. Ever looked at Trump's interviews from years past? Supported abortion, wanted to ban guns. That's real conservative. You probably have no idea what real conservatism is. I've said for decades that conservatism is dying out. And it sure is. Maybe one day we will have a real conservative in the White house again and a real conservative caucus in the congress. It's not here now, and if you believe that it is you are either too brainwashed to see the truth, or you just don't know what conservatism really is.

I vote for the person who supports the most policy situations that I support. That's never democrats. But the republican party is moving so far away from true conservatism that is hard to explain. They are still on the conservative side of the scale, but it's moving into a different ideology.
 

22AcaciaAve

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Because your objections are nonsensical. "Oh, I thought he was going to make this country perfect on Day One!" "I thought he was going to have World Peace on Day One!" Most of us are impressed at what Trump has accomplished in four months, and you're reaching to find fault. Actively looking for things to criticize.



See, you people keep saying that. And every time I respond with, "No, Trump walks in lock step with *me*." Pretty much every EO he signs or policy he promotes, I'm like "it's about freaking time". *I* came before Trump. There's evidence of it right here on the forums because we've been talking about this stuff for almost three decades. Trump simply answered the call.



Because the Democrat Party as a whole is made up of thieves, deviants, terrorists, bigots, and child predators. And I can point to their own Party platform, along with the words of their elected leadership, to demonstrate that. Why would I vote for any of those people? I frankly admit I vote for their opponents and dream of the day the whole Party collapses. "We want to drug and carve up children to change their gender, and we want you to pay for it." Why would I support that? Even if everything else was on point, that alone is a deal breaker. Their victimization of children is and always will be a deal breaker, no matter what euphemisms they come up with to sell it.

It's not because I'm this staunch Republican - I dumped the GOP in 2008 and just recently changed my voter registration back to Republican. I've been upfront with my loathing of the Republican pukes and cowards. It's because the Democrat Party is so loathsome I want it destroyed. I don't want a major political Party where the violent mentally ill among us can congregate and join forces. That should have no place in America.

I used to be able to make a case for much of what the Democrats claimed they stood for, but in the last 25+- years they have gone so far over the edge I can't find a single inch of common ground. The last thing a Democrat has done that I applauded was when Barry O legalized same-sex marriage; other than that his presidency was a travesty.

It's fine that Trump doesn't represent what you want for this country, just be honest about it. As it stands, you're figuratively bitching about meatloaf and scoops of ice cream while saying you support his policies. "Sure, he did this impressive thing that we thought was impossible, but he didn't do it on Day One!" Please.....

Yeah I am holding him and any other politician responsible for what they say on the campaign trail. I'm tired of being lied to, voting for someone, and then having them walk it back. So yeah, if you say you will do it on day one, then do it, or don't say it.

It's not even close to day one, it's now over 100 days. The Russian-Ukrainian war is still going on and I see no end to that. I thought that was ending on day one. Alright, as you say, maybe not day one......but now 3 months in and the signs are we walk away. That's not living up to a campaign promise.

Campaign promise to deal with border...check. That's a win. He promised tariffs, and even though I don't believe they will bring back manufacturing, they may be a bargaining chip and he did say he would do it so you can't argue that. Ending DEI initiative's, no problem. That's a lot of woke BS that I am glad will be gone.

Meatloaf and scoops of ice cream? That's a new one. DId you mean scoops of mashed potatoes? Goes better with meatloaf. But I stand by my statements. I voted for Trump because I agreed with more of his policies than the other side. I really did not agree with anything from Harris. That doesn't mean, and never will, that I rubber stamp an approval on whatever the party in power does.

And as far as that lockstep thing goes, for a long time I hated how the democrat party voted for whatever their president wanted. The republicans are doing the same thing now. Congress was designed to have a voice. Simply voting for what a president of your party wants is not exercising that voice.

I know you all won't like what I have said. Sorry, but I won't back down. I have friends who are republicans, Maga people, and liberals. I have no problem remaining friends with them all. I don't let politics destroy my friendships. But sorry, I'm still going to point out bullshit when I see it.
 

black dog

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Yeah I am holding him and any other politician responsible for what they say on the campaign trail. I'm tired of being lied to, voting for someone, and then having them walk it back. So yeah, if you say you will do it on day one, then do it, or don't say it.

It's not even close to day one, it's now over 100 days. The Russian-Ukrainian war is still going on and I see no end to that. I thought that was ending on day one. Alright, as you say, maybe not day one......but now 3 months in and the signs are we walk away. That's not living up to a campaign promise.

Campaign promise to deal with border...check. That's a win. He promised tariffs, and even though I don't believe they will bring back manufacturing, they may be a bargaining chip and he did say he would do it so you can't argue that. Ending DEI initiative's, no problem. That's a lot of woke BS that I am glad will be gone.

Meatloaf and scoops of ice cream? That's a new one. DId you mean scoops of mashed potatoes? Goes better with meatloaf. But I stand by my statements. I voted for Trump because I agreed with more of his policies than the other side. I really did not agree with anything from Harris. That doesn't mean, and never will, that I rubber stamp an approval on whatever the party in power does.

And as far as that lockstep thing goes, for a long time I hated how the democrat party voted for whatever their president wanted. The republicans are doing the same thing now. Congress was designed to have a voice. Simply voting for what a president of your party wants is not exercising that voice.

I know you all won't like what I have said. Sorry, but I won't back down. I have friends who are republicans, Maga people, and liberals. I have no problem remaining friends with them all. I don't let politics destroy my friendships. But sorry, I'm still going to point out bullshit when I see it.
Well as someone that lives and travels the Heartland I will argue that your full of sh!t with things aren't happening with manufacturing in the USA.

 

Kyle

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Fake conservative.....that's funny. Ever looked at Trump's interviews from years past? Supported abortion, wanted to ban guns. That's real conservative. You probably have no idea what real conservatism is. I've said for decades that conservatism is dying out. And it sure is. Maybe one day we will have a real conservative in the White house again and a real conservative caucus in the congress. It's not here now, and if you believe that it is you are either too brainwashed to see the truth, or you just don't know what conservatism really is.

I vote for the person who supports the most policy situations that I support. That's never democrats. But the republican party is moving so far away from true conservatism that is hard to explain. They are still on the conservative side of the scale, but it's moving into a different ideology.
:lmao:

repeating it, maybe you’ll believe it. Nobody else will.

In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy a secure border, no more money flush down the toilet on endless wars, fraud being rooted out of every crevice of government bureaucracy, the Democrats money laundering operation with taxpayer dollars coming to an end, someone finally attacking the chemical industry of the food supply, the FBI, CIA, justice department, and others finally being reigned in.

Yeah, you go on with your bad self, lamenting all of that.
 

vraiblonde

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Yeah I am holding him and any other politician responsible for what they say on the campaign trail. I'm tired of being lied to, voting for someone, and then having them walk it back. So yeah, if you say you will do it on day one, then do it, or don't say it.

It's not even close to day one, it's now over 100 days. The Russian-Ukrainian war is still going on and I see no end to that. I thought that was ending on day one. Alright, as you say, maybe not day one......but now 3 months in and the signs are we walk away. That's not living up to a campaign promise.

Campaign promise to deal with border...check. That's a win. He promised tariffs, and even though I don't believe they will bring back manufacturing, they may be a bargaining chip and he did say he would do it so you can't argue that. Ending DEI initiative's, no problem. That's a lot of woke BS that I am glad will be gone.

Meatloaf and scoops of ice cream? That's a new one. DId you mean scoops of mashed potatoes? Goes better with meatloaf. But I stand by my statements. I voted for Trump because I agreed with more of his policies than the other side. I really did not agree with anything from Harris. That doesn't mean, and never will, that I rubber stamp an approval on whatever the party in power does.

And as far as that lockstep thing goes, for a long time I hated how the democrat party voted for whatever their president wanted. The republicans are doing the same thing now. Congress was designed to have a voice. Simply voting for what a president of your party wants is not exercising that voice.

I know you all won't like what I have said. Sorry, but I won't back down. I have friends who are republicans, Maga people, and liberals. I have no problem remaining friends with them all. I don't let politics destroy my friendships. But sorry, I'm still going to point out bullshit when I see it.

You remind me of a friend who is an absolutist and will not compromise AT ALL. Every four years he writes in himself as POTUS because none of the candidates match him exactly. He's a super hard Right Christian fundamentalist and I've pointed out to him numerous times that he will never - ever - get basically himself as POTUS. And yet every election he writes in his protest vote because he wants what he wants and refuses to compromise.

And that's fine, but I don't think it's practical or productive.

The meatloaf and scoops of ice cream is in reference to the media making a huge stink for DAYS when Trump recommended the meat loaf to Chris Christie at some restaurant and they insisted he was trying to bully Christie and not let him get what he wanted; and when all the guests at some dinner thing got a scoop of ice cream for dessert and Trump got TWO scoops. I'm shocked that you missed it because both were major scandals in the Dembot media and you couldn't hardly not hear of it.

I use it as an...analogy...? whatever, when someone digs deep for the pickiest nit to criticize Trump.
 

black dog

Free America
Yeah, one in my office was asked what she liked about Trump.

She said he had nice hair.
LOL, Im down in Mississippi for a bit and on Friday, we went to the Civil Rights Museum in Jackson. Some of the view points that I was told from other folks that were visiting and that worked there were very very interesting with opinions of the new President and DOGE.
With some I talked very candidly and with others, I bit my tongue.
 

Merlin99

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:lmao:

repeating it, maybe you’ll believe it. Nobody else will.

In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy a secure border, no more money flush down the toilet on endless wars, fraud being rooted out of every crevice of government bureaucracy, the Democrats money laundering operation with taxpayer dollars coming to an end, someone finally attacking the chemical industry of the food supply, the FBI, CIA, justice department, and others finally being reigned in.

Yeah, you go on with your bad self, lamenting all of that.
I’m going to agree with him on his point with Ukraine and Russia. I think Trump thought he had more pull with Putin than he had and it didn’t work out that way. If he gets it done within 6-12 months with a fair deal I’ll still count it as a win.
 

22AcaciaAve

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You remind me of a friend who is an absolutist and will not compromise AT ALL. Every four years he writes in himself as POTUS because none of the candidates match him exactly. He's a super hard Right Christian fundamentalist and I've pointed out to him numerous times that he will never - ever - get basically himself as POTUS. And yet every election he writes in his protest vote because he wants what he wants and refuses to compromise.

And that's fine, but I don't think it's practical or productive.

The meatloaf and scoops of ice cream is in reference to the media making a huge stink for DAYS when Trump recommended the meat loaf to Chris Christie at some restaurant and they insisted he was trying to bully Christie and not let him get what he wanted; and when all the guests at some dinner thing got a scoop of ice cream for dessert and Trump got TWO scoops. I'm shocked that you missed it because both were major scandals in the Dembot media and you couldn't hardly not hear of it.

I use it as an...analogy...? whatever, when someone digs deep for the pickiest nit to criticize Trump.

I do remember the two scoops thing now that you brought it up, but I guess I dismissed it because it was so ridiculous. Don't remember the meatloaf thing and really wouldn't give it much consideration anyway. Maybe they were major scandals on CNN and MSNBC. I really don't follow either.

As for your friend, I will not criticize his faith, but that is not my thing. I am not religious in any way shape or form. I have long lamented the fact that the republican party has to cater to the religious right.

I would say some of the people here are the absolutists. I get where you are coming from, but it works the other way as well. When I make a criticism of Trump and people immediately say I lied about voting for him doesn't that say they are absolutists because I can't possibly question anything he is doing and still have supported him? I think it does.

It just really amuses me how some people believe you need to be on board with everything a politician or party does or you are considered the opposition. I guess that has made me the opposition for all of my life. I call out what I see as BS and what I see as wrong, no matter what party is in office. Sorry, I guess I am guess I am the contrarian.
 

vraiblonde

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When I make a criticism of Trump and people immediately say I lied about voting for him doesn't that say they are absolutists because I can't possibly question anything he is doing and still have supported him?

It's *what* you criticize. "He didn't get this thing done on Day 1 like he said he would, the liar." That's silly, especially since we can actually see him working on it; it's his opponents who refuse to be reasonable.

The judges thing - that's an unreasonable criticism. Lower court judges don't have jurisdiction over the federal government, and even federal judges don't have power over the President or Congress. Especially when what they're trying to ding Trump on are existing laws that he is merely directing officials to follow.

There were a couple more that made me think you were grasping hard to find something to be mad at Trump over.

Sorry, I guess I am guess I am the contrarian.

Nothing wrong with that. But when you are contrary just to be contrary, you're going to get pushback. It's like Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America:

Oh, I hate that Gingrich and his contract on America!
Which of the specific reforms do you disagree with?
.... .... .... (silence)

Lefties would bring it up on here occasionally to retro criticize the GOP and I'd always ask them what specifically they disagreed with, and I never one single time got an answer. And the reason is because they had no idea what they were talking about, just bitching to hear themselves.

This person:


He says he is a conservative, but really he's a Never Trumper cultbot. "Why is it so bad to criticize my party or the people leading it?" It's not *that* he's criticizing, it's *what* he's criticizing. All those pundits who claim to be Republicans, then sht all over every single Republican who isn't part of the corrupt entrenched elite while bemoaning Trump wanting laws to be enforced, which one would think is a cornerstone of conservative ideology.

I disagree with Trump on things, you just disregard it so you can insist I march in lockstep. One is I think Trump should stay out of the Ukraine/Russia thing, let those two tards work it out and have Europe referee. And Trump seems to be realizing his folly because he's signaling that the US will back off, which of course also makes the bots keen in the streets. 🤪

Trump's mistakes come about when he thinks corrupt slimy deranged shitbags are reasonable people who want peace and prosperity for their country, whether it's the US or somewhere else.

Anyway, I went off on a tangent :jet: but it's just irritating to watch people claim something, then demonstrate the exact opposite. I don't respond well to that.
 

22AcaciaAve

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It's *what* you criticize. "He didn't get this thing done on Day 1 like he said he would, the liar." That's silly, especially since we can actually see him working on it; it's his opponents who refuse to be reasonable.

The judges thing - that's an unreasonable criticism. Lower court judges don't have jurisdiction over the federal government, and even federal judges don't have power over the President or Congress. Especially when what they're trying to ding Trump on are existing laws that he is merely directing officials to follow.

There were a couple more that made me think you were grasping hard to find something to be mad at Trump over.



Nothing wrong with that. But when you are contrary just to be contrary, you're going to get pushback. It's like Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America:

Oh, I hate that Gingrich and his contract on America!
Which of the specific reforms do you disagree with?
.... .... .... (silence)

Lefties would bring it up on here occasionally to retro criticize the GOP and I'd always ask them what specifically they disagreed with, and I never one single time got an answer. And the reason is because they had no idea what they were talking about, just bitching to hear themselves.

This person:


He says he is a conservative, but really he's a Never Trumper cultbot. "Why is it so bad to criticize my party or the people leading it?" It's not *that* he's criticizing, it's *what* he's criticizing. All those pundits who claim to be Republicans, then sht all over every single Republican who isn't part of the corrupt entrenched elite while bemoaning Trump wanting laws to be enforced, which one would think is a cornerstone of conservative ideology.

I disagree with Trump on things, you just disregard it so you can insist I march in lockstep. One is I think Trump should stay out of the Ukraine/Russia thing, let those two tards work it out and have Europe referee. And Trump seems to be realizing his folly because he's signaling that the US will back off, which of course also makes the bots keen in the streets. 🤪

Trump's mistakes come about when he thinks corrupt slimy deranged shitbags are reasonable people who want peace and prosperity for their country, whether it's the US or somewhere else.

Anyway, I went off on a tangent :jet: but it's just irritating to watch people claim something, then demonstrate the exact opposite. I don't respond well to that.

Sure, holding him to doing it on day 1 is ridiculous, but quite honestly I think saying it could be done on day 1 is just as ridiculous. Don't say you are not a politician and then act like one. But I'm ok taking the loss on that.

I don't disagree with the judicial system. The constitution spells out three branches of government that provide checks and balances. Those checks and balances prevent the Tyranny of one man that exists in other places of the world. Even if you disagree with them, that's why things are moved up through the court system until they get to the supreme court.

I disagree with Trump on things, you just disregard it so you can insist I march in lockstep.
That's fair. I wasn't necessarily calling you out as much as some others that I know. I really was calling out the republican congress who is so afraid of being primaried that they won't dare oppose anything he says. Particularly Mike Johnson who even before Trump became President was sucking up to him. People always said democrats in congress march in lockstep, with good reason. Republicans now do the same.

He says he is a conservative, but really he's a Never Trumper cultbot. "Why is it so bad to criticize my party or the people leading it?" It's not *that* he's criticizing, it's *what* he's criticizing.
I read your link and I agree with him. You seem to just want to dismiss anyone who criticizes Trump by calling them a Never Trumper or a Rino. He makes good points. The MAGA movement is one that is Populist and Isolationist. No problem if you believe in that, but it is not conservatism. The MAGA movement could actually be a separate party from the Republican party, but that would be suicide for the Republican party and would probably hand dems an easy road. We shall see what happens in the mid terms. I think the republican house is going to be eviscerated, because independents are now headed the other way. But many people thought the same thing for the dem house under Biden and that red wave never happened. Still, the current republican party is split between true conservatives and what the party is now.

I was a republican years ago for a long time. I am now independent. I would love to see independents knock off both democrats and republicans and take them out of power. Unfortunately, still a long way to go.
 

vraiblonde

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I was a republican years ago for a long time. I am now independent.

I'm the opposite. McCain's nomination made me realize I was a RINO, so I became unaffiliated. The Trump movement made me think I could be a Republican again, so I'm back in the club. Because:
The MAGA movement is one that is Populist and Isolationist.

I'm not sure why you feel conservatism isn't populist or isolationist. Trump's not much of an isolationist anyway - he never met a situation he didn't want to get involved in. But he's definitely a populist, and I don't understand why you feel that's not conservative. Populism and isolationism are about as conservative as it gets, the complete opposite of liberal.

I really was calling out the republican congress who is so afraid of being primaried that they won't dare oppose anything he says.

They're supposed to be working for their constituents, who largely voted for Trump and the MAGA agenda. So if they don't do what voters sent them to do, they *should* be primaried. The President is an executive; Congress are merely representatives who are supposed to reflect the voice of their state/district. Particularly House members.

I will suggest that those Republican Congresscritters who are afraid of being primaried *should* be primaried if they aren't representing the will of their constituents. And if they *are* accurately reflecting their voters, they should have no fear of being ousted.

What a lot of them are actually doing is acting in their own self-interest instead of the interest of the country or their district. They have their fingers in the pie and don't want the sugar train derailed. These are not terribly bright or principled people - most of them are lawyers, after all. They will happily lie, cheat, and steal to feather their own nest.

You seem to just want to dismiss anyone who criticizes Trump by calling them a Never Trumper or a Rino.

See, there you go again. It's not *that* they criticize Trump, it's *why* they are critical. That whole piece could be summed up in one sentence: "Orange man bad!" It was elitist and out of touch. If you want to be a hard old school conservative, go right ahead. But be prepared to never win an election ever again because we as a country have moved past that. The dinosaurs are going extinct, and I for one am thrilled about that. One of the biggest problems I've always had with the GOP is they want to impost their social ideals on the whole country, AND they're massive hypocrites about it. "Oh we want less government....but we also want to legislate who you can and cannot marry." 🤪

At heart I am a libertarian. Whatever consenting adults want to do is fine with me, as long as nobody else has to pay for it or be victimized by it. Trump is the closest we've ever come to that type of leadership, so obviously I'm all for it.
 

Ken King

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I don't disagree with the judicial system. The constitution spells out three branches of government that provide checks and balances. Those checks and balances prevent the Tyranny of one man that exists in other places of the world. Even if you disagree with them, that's why things are moved up through the court system until they get to the supreme court.
I disagree with the judiciary a lot, as nowhere within the Constitution are they given authority for "judicial review". That is an unchecked power they declared for themselves. It has been explained to you several times that the inferior courts have no authority outside of their jurisdiction, Their districts have been defined and that is where they can wield their authority, the circuit courts equally have a defined area of jurisdiction and their opinions only apply within that defined jurisdiction. For cases of national implication it is solely the Supreme Court that is authorized to opine and in doing so they cannot make law (think Roe v Wade) as that violates the separation of powers doctrine of the Constitution..
 

vraiblonde

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You know, I get not liking the majority voting against what you want. I know exactly how that feels because I not only was an American under numerous Presidents I hated, but I also lived in Maryland for over three decades.

But it appears that my time had just not yet come. Now it seems to be here, so I'm pretty happy about that.
 

vraiblonde

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I'm going to disagree with this statement. Compromise is the lubricant that allows disparate groups to work together without undue friction.

Especially when you're talking about a whole country with a widely diverse mindset.
 
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