Was Christ Who He Said He Was?

[Marie]

now thats some funny shiat right there. you think your opinion is factual knowledge bwahahahahahaha

She doesn't like the message of hate you are spreading in the name of Jesus. What is wrong with her telling you that?

I wasnt giving my opinion, that was the complaint!
Where's the hate in stating the truth. It may not be PC, but the truth ussually isnt??

 

[tommyjones]

I wasnt giving my opinion, that was the complaint!
Where's the hate in stating the truth. It may not be PC, but the truth ussually isnt??

no, you are giving your opinion, well that of your church, and claiming it is "the truth"

I think her issue is that you proport to represent all of christianity with your opinion, and you dont, in fact yuor opinion is in the minority, just like that of extremist muslims.

 

[Marie]

You're right. I don't like that I.S., you and a few others preach the "born-again" beliefs as if it are the one true belief. You should appreciate the diversity through out the world and maybe, just maybe, consider that the entire world has the same spiritual goal, just different paths to get there.

If we're all going to the same place, does it really matter what others believe? I respect your beliefs and don't care what you choose to believe. I DO care when you try forcing your beliefs upon others.

I respect your opinion, but disagree, there is only one way.

In John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mathew 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

Diversity, the root of the word is division?? Christianity isnt inclusive, its exclusive. At least thats what the Bible teaches. Because folks arent wiling to die to self and give Him lordship of their life.

Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'"

John 10:7-9 (New King James Version)

7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me<SUP>[a]</SUP> are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

John 10:1 (New King James Version)<o></o>
1 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.


<o>So with all do respect, were not all going to the same place on differnt roads.

I am not trying to force anything on anyone. You can except it, or reject it but at least you have heard it correctly, and were not left on your own, without hearing the truth.

The gospel is offensive and man in his natural state is an enemy of God hating him.

Speaking of Paul
But the Lord said to him, ‘Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name’” (Acts 9:15-16).

God Bless!</o>

 

[ItalianScallion]

They are ALL false teachings..
You can't be more right than any other religion, they are all wrong. Religion is manmade, not spoken from God.. Jesus walked the planet as a man, there was no resurrection.. people didn't live for 600 - 1000 years.. bushes didn't talk.. etc.. etc..
You can't sit there on your throne and say MY religion is the RIGHT religion, the rest are heathens, non-believers when there are hundreds if not THOUSANDS of religions that pre date Christianity.
You say the Mormons are fake.. yet yours is real?
The Jews are wrong.. and how much do they pre-date Christianity??
What about the Buddhists.. how wrong are they?
Saying you are right and the rest of the world is wrong is pure arrogance or ignorance, or both.
I don't think you realize you are spreading hate and intolerance, I really believe you are probably a good person at heart, trying to live a good decent life, being an example for your children and others, but unknowingly you've been convinced to also show these same people that hate and intolerance is acceptable, for people that aren't like you, or don't believe what you believe in.
Personally I believe the better Christian, the better person, is the person that accepts differences and can love their fellow man despite the differences.

I and others have given undeniable proof for the credibility of the Bible but you won't believe it. Jesus was undeniably proven to have been God Himself, on earth, in human form. People saw Him yet wouldn't believe. They are very sad right now. I just wish you and others would stop looking at what I say here as hate filled speech. I am trying to save your lives from an eternity of pain and suffering. I will not say I told you so later. You will say HE told me so, why was I so hard headed? You don't apply for a job in the Police department and then tell them how YOU are going to do Police work or ANY other job for that matter. JESUS IS GOD AND WE DO THINGS HIS WAY. It's for you to decide whether or not you want to follow Him. Saying that I'm wrong when I say that I am right is to say the same thing about Jesus, because what I say is exactly what He said. He said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father but by ME." No Jew, no Buddhist, No Mormon, No JW, NO ONE! Sound narrow minded and arrogant to you Bob? Look deeper my friend. I care very much about your soul and the souls of everyone on this forum.

 

[ItalianScallion]

I am not deceived, nor am I a child of God BECAUSE I happen to be young, "beautiful" (according to my priest) and God-loving. I didn't have to find God again. He's always been there for me and that's why I'm one of his children. I bet you'll be able to find a passage in the bible about God's children.
Italian I'm glad you know me so well. Obviously through the internet you can tell that I won't be saved. Maybe I should attend the Church of ItalianScallion so I may learn from the Master

I gave you 3 passages already about that. I'm not saying that you are not saved. You're the one who said; "I'm not born again". Jesus said you must be. You can't both be right but He's never been wrong. just don't take the chance.

 

[ItalianScallion]

I dare say, you have no idea how much I have read, each and every day. With that, on what grounds do you have the right to say your interpretation is correct and mine erroneous?
Both JW's and Mormon's use the Bible, however their translations may differ. But, that leaves you in the unenviable position of trying to prove to someone why they should believe your translation vs. theirs. The entire basis for your theology (and, to be clear, is not the same as your faith) is built on sand, and it collapses when pressed.

Obviously, BY YOUR OWN WORDS, you haven't done the research to see how internally flawed the JW's bible & the book of Mormon are. Certain different translations of the Bible are fine. Others are not. Libby, there are NOT many ways into Heaven! Jesus is the only way but you must have the right Jesus. They do not.

One of the ways of understanding the Trinity (at least for me), is that the first person, God the Father, is the Creator. When God became man He "became" (though He always was) the second person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. That is the Person that redeemed us, and that is the characteristic we primarily focus on when contemplating Him. The third person is the Holy Spirit, who we consider the giver of the gifts. Those gifts are supernatural, like patience, humility, etc. To explain God requires some condescention (hmmm...did I spell that correctly??) and we are limited in our ability to do so because of our humanity, but this is just a stab at it.
So, in short, each "person" of the Holy Trinity has a different role in His relationship to men, and again, that role is our primary focus when we think of that particular person.

The Bible clearly says that God created the heavens & the earth. That means all 3 had a hand in it. Paul further clarifies that it was Jesus in Colossians 1 v 15-17. He did NOT say the Father alone. No need to re-hash this. It's not a big deal. What you said earlier is.

 

[mAlice]

I and others have given undeniable proof for the credibility of the Bible but you won't believe it. Jesus was undeniably proven to have been God Himself, on earth, in human form. People saw Him yet wouldn't believe. They are very sad right now. I just wish you and others would stop looking at what I say here as hate filled speech. I am trying to save your lives from an eternity of pain and suffering. I will not say I told you so later. You will say HE told me so, why was I so hard headed? You don't apply for a job in the Police department and then tell them how YOU are going to do Police work or ANY other job for that matter. JESUS IS GOD AND WE DO THINGS HIS WAY. It's for you to decide whether or not you want to follow Him. Saying that I'm wrong when I say that I am right is to say the same thing about Jesus, because what I say is exactly what He said. He said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father but by ME." No Jew, no Buddhist, No Mormon, No JW, NO ONE! Sound narrow minded and arrogant to you Bob? Look deeper my friend. I care very much about your soul and the souls of everyone on this forum.

 

[ItalianScallion]

You're right. I don't like that I.S., you and a few others preach the "born-again" beliefs as if it are the one true belief. You should appreciate the diversity through out the world and maybe, just maybe, consider that the entire world has the same spiritual goal, just different paths to get there.
If we're all going to the same place, does it really matter what others believe? I respect your beliefs and don't care what you choose to believe. I DO care when you try forcing your beliefs upon others.

Liberals do not get into heaven because they want it their way. God makes the rules and he is not liberal in His methods. He is liberal in Love, mercy, patience & grace but when it comes to Heavenly access, there's ONLY one way. He said clearly that the road to righteousness (heaven) is a narrow road and only a FEW find it (Matthew 7 vs 13-14). Why would He say that if we're all going to the same place? That slaps the work of Jesus right in the face. NO WHERE does it say that we're all going to the same place. What's the use of living a good life if that's true? Don't take the chance and miss out because you can't change it once you get on the other side folks.

 

[mAlice]

For what it's worth, I don't want to float around on clouds and play a harp for eternity.

 

[ItalianScallion]

For what it's worth, I don't want to float around on clouds and play a harp for eternity.

For what it's worth, God will not force you to do anything that you don't want to. I do not plan to "float around on clouds and play a harp for eternity" either, but I do not want to be in a lake of fire & torment for all eternity either. I have made the choice here and now because I can't make the choice after I die. And what's the harm in being a Christian? If I'm wrong, I've lost nothing. If I'm right, I've gained everything. I can't lose!

 

[libby]

Obviously, BY YOUR OWN WORDS, you haven't done the research to see how internally flawed the JW's bible & the book of Mormon are. Certain different translations of the Bible are fine. Others are not. Libby, there are NOT many ways into Heaven! Jesus is the only way but you must have the right Jesus. They do not.

The Bible clearly says that God created the heavens & the earth. That means all 3 had a hand in it. Paul further clarifies that it was Jesus in Colossians 1 v 15-17. He did NOT say the Father alone. No need to re-hash this. It's not a big deal. What you said earlier is.

I did not say that I thought their translations were accurate, but the point is that you haven't got any business saying that it isn't because your theology accepts personal interpretation of Scripture. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, the position you espouse, that is, that the Holy Spirit leads you in matters of Truth, is exactly why you cannot say another is wrong. They can make the very same claim. You are not following the logic here and you are going after an argument that I am not making.
You, IT, are having visceral reactions to what you think I'm posting, and you are not reading. Jesus is one with God the Father, and He was there from the beginning. Clearly, you did not see that I was simply pointing out the characteristics that we attribute to the different persons of the Holy Trinity. I never said they were mutually exclusive.

 

[Marie]

For what it's worth, I don't want to float around on clouds and play a harp for eternity.

Christ talked about heaven far less than hell, but I have a feeling thats not going to be an option. In Genesis under the covenat of works man was created to work. Personal opinion here but if we are not praising him I got a feeling we will be working.

The thing that concerns me though is there will be no day and night, sounds like there will be some long work days. Its a good thing we will have new bodies

 

[mAlice]

I do not plan to "float around on clouds and play a harp for eternity" either

What do you plan to do?

 

[ItalianScallion]

I did not say that I thought their translations were accurate, but the point is that you haven't got any business saying that it isn't because your theology accepts personal interpretation of Scripture. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, the position you espouse, that is, that the Holy Spirit leads you in matters of Truth, is exactly why you cannot say another is wrong. They can make the very same claim.

If their translations are innacurate, then why would you defend them? If a person is led by the Holy Spirit, the will not follow a different Jesus. The Holy Spirit does NOT mislead people. There is no way that I could have misread what you said earlier. If you claim that I am wrong in saying "they are wrong", you are saying the Scriptures are wrong because where else would I get my information? You are contradicitng yourself Libby! You just said: "the Holy Spirit leads you in matters of truth", so how can I be right and they be right also? One of us has to be wrong because our "Jesuses" are different. Jesus refuted them and He commanded us to do it also. All I'm doing is what he did. In John 7 v 24 Jesus said: "stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment". Read John 8 and see how it HAS to be done SOMETIMES. I'm not always being this hard on people about false teachings. There are times when I am very gentle in my wordings but there are times when I am not. Mainly because of the number of times I've had to deal with the lies spoken on this forum and people like you accepting them into orthodox Christianity.
Matthew 16 v 6 "be on your guard against the teachings of the Pharisees & Saducees". John 5 v 39, 40 & 43 Jesus said: "You dilligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me but you refuse to come to me and have life...and yet if someone else comes in his OWN name you will accept him". John 8 v 43 & 47: "Why is my language not clear to you?...the reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." John 10 v 5: "my sheep know my voice...they will never follow a stranger".
Libby, they do not ALL belong to God. In 2 Corinthians 11 v 3 & 4, we are told NOT to be deceived AS EVE WAS (hello) in the case of a different Jesus. I shouldn't have to spend all this time explaining this to someone who claims to be a Christian. How would you like to hear people you know say: "but Libby told us we were believing the correct doctrine", right before God sends them away forever? Keep reading lady.

 

[ItalianScallion]

What do you plan to do?

Right after this post, I plan to cook dinner. You're welcome to join me anytime. In Heaven, I plan to spend eternity thanking Jesus for saving me from Hell, I plan to spend forever enjoying the perfection of my new body, being in a perfect environment enjoying an eternal vacation without ever having to go back to work and enjoying the company of more friends than I can ever count. Enjoying waterfront property and the best food & drink for the rest of forever. I hope you'll join me there too mAlice.

 

[mAlice]

Right after this post, I plan to cook dinner. You're welcome to join me anytime. In Heaven, I plan to spend eternity thanking Jesus for saving me from Hell, I plan to spend forever enjoying the perfection of my new body, being in a perfect environment enjoying an eternal vacation without ever having to go back to work and enjoying the company of more friends than I can ever count. Enjoying waterfront property and the best food & drink for the rest of forever. I hope you'll join me there too mAlice.

It's your fantasy. Feel free to imagine I'm there. I'm just gonna' die.

 

[MMDad]

Liberals do not get into heaven.

Wow. Now politics determine who goes to heaven. I'd like to see that in scripture sometime.

 

[Dye Tied]

Dear Italian Scallion...where do left handed liberals go? Hopefully not where your self-righteous ass is going. We all live good, but in our own way.
You are one messed up dude.

Liberals do not get into heaven because they want it their way. God makes the rules and he is not liberal in His methods. He is liberal in Love, mercy, patience & grace but when it comes to Heavenly access, there's ONLY one way. He said clearly that the road to righteousness (heaven) is a narrow road and only a FEW find it (Matthew 7 vs 13-14). Why would He say that if we're all going to the same place? That slaps the work of Jesus right in the face. NO WHERE does it say that we're all going to the same place. What's the use of living a good life if that's true? Don't take the chance and miss out because you can't change it once you get on the other side folks.

 

[Xaquin44]

So whats your point?
Everyone learns from somewhere. Some read their Bible which I do, Some go to school.
Would you rather a personal opinion, or factual knoweledge with refrences?

I am sorry but I dont get it. Would you rather go to a doctor with a degree for a prognossis or the old lady down the street?

Sounds like your trying to shoot the messenger, because you dont like the message.

you'll pardon many of us scoffing at your 'bible knowledge' .... just yesterday I believe it was you posted 'news' from a tabloid site as being true.

not liking the message is completely different then seeing it is coming from a fool.

 

[Xaquin44]

Jesus was undeniably proven to have been God Himself, on earth, in human form.

so Jesus didn't sacrifice himself for our sins?

unless you can sacrifice (i.e. crucify) an entity that can not die?



I'm a little confused.