Was Christ Who He Said He Was?

forever jewel

Green Eyed Lady
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I just wish they didn't send us Methodist to a lonely island...:lmao:...(Smith)

I'm just saying the Jesus said that unless one is born again of spirit, not an actual physical act, that he will never see Heaven......I really do like you, and tommy......:love:

Tommy...he's tough to like...at first :wink:

Well, how do you define "born-again"? I consider that I was born again in spirit when I was baptisted.
 
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toppick08

Guest
and thats what your pastor has told you.....


if it was really what jesus said then EVERY christian sect would believe it

tommy, that's what the New Testament says.........and preachers/priests relay it to their flock......:duh:
 

tommyjones

New Member
You ever read it, yourself....?

i have


funny you dont want to admit your opinion is largely based on what you have been told by PEOPLE, not what you have read......

I was speaking with a (insert religious leader here) and he quoted a passage that basically said that as long as you have an open and questioning mind you are OK in Gods book. I throughly respected him for revealing this passage to me as it did not seem to further his religion in any way, but it does give hope to those who refuse to be lead down the wrong path by PEOPLE who think they KNOW.
 
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toppick08

Guest
i have


funny you dont want to admit your opinion is largely based on what you have been told by PEOPLE, not what you have read......

I was speaking with a (insert religious leader here) and he quoted a passage that basically said that as long as you have an open and questioning mind you are OK in Gods book. I throughly respected him for revealing this passage to me as it did not seem to further his religion in any way, but it does give hope to those who refuse to be lead down the wrong path by PEOPLE who think they KNOW.

I see, I do listen to my pastor(s), but I also read the Gospel alone......it seems to speak to me better..........:buddies:
 

tommyjones

New Member
I see, I do listen to my pastor(s), but I also read the Gospel alone......it seems to speak to me better..........:buddies:

after your pastor has put it into context :killingme


kind of like the philosophy student reading "the Republic" after the professor's lecture, you will have a skewed view.
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
First, I am NOT born again. I've been a practicing Catholic my entire life and trust my religion. You shouldn't have to rediscover God in order to discern truth from fiction in the Bible.
Sorry Jewel but the Bible says otherwise. 1 Corinthians 1 vs 18 and 2 vs 14.
Many people will be deceived by that kind of thinking. Matthew 7 vs 21-23. No one gets into heaven on the strength of their church denomination. You do have to be saved in order to understand many things in the Bible. You can understand some things but not all that you could if you were saved. This is why so many here do not know what they are talking about when it comes to God and they get mad when a few of us say they are wrong.
so you are in agreement with marie and starman that the only way to interpret the bible is the born again way. like i said before, lots of christians disagree, in fact i would dare to say MOST christians dont have your "born again only" interpretation
God makes the rules not you Tommy. John 3 vs 3. Who cares what ANYONE says (Christian or not) if the Bible says otherwise. We all will be judged by God and His words so you all had better stop making false statements about Him. His word will NOT change. It is we who have to conform to it.
Old Testament.....The Father.
New Testament....The Son.
Both the same....read it, absorb it, use it.......:howdy:
Toppick, some of your postings have disappointed me. You are in the religious posts and in the others I see some "racy" statements. Can't do both sides of the fence my friend. My point here is that The Old & New testaments are not divided between the Father & Jesus as you've stated. All 3 were present at the beginning. They were not "both the same".
you do know that MOST of the stuff in the bible was not said by jesus right?(and that assumes that the stuff atributed to him was actually said by him) so i guess the rest is irrelavent?
Most of the New Testament was not the spoken word of jesus. It is a series of stories, some of which he is in.....
the same goes for the old testament and the words of God.
so i guess all the parts that dont say "and then jesus said...." are bunk?
You do not understand the Godhead so you can't make correct statements about them. Jesus is God so everything said, by God, in the Bible was said by Him in one way or another.
Talked to him last Friday and I do not remember him mentioning anything about The Virgin Mary or that she says I'm going to hell. Actually, he told me that God is very proud to have such a "beautiful, young, God-loving lady" as one of his children.
Please realize that God loves all his children whether or not they agree with YOU.
So, according to your priest, you're a "child of God" because you are "a beautiful, young, God loving lady"??? So looks are what it takes? We are NOT ALL children of God until we become "born again" Don't be deceived; John 1 vs 12, Romans 8 vs 14 & Galatians 3 vs 26.
Well, how do you define "born-again"? I consider that I was born again in spirit when I was baptisted.
No one is born again until they accept Christ into their lives and LIVE LIKE He is there. Many say they are Christians but their actions & words clearly say otherwise. And baptism has nothing to do with one being saved. It is supposed to be a sign of one having accepted Jesus and living like it. Just like a wedding ring is a sign of marriage but it doesn't mean that everyone who wears one is married or that everyone who takes theirs off isn't.
He is if you're Baptist.. he's also the Holy Ghost/ Spirit
Come on Bob! Jesus is God no matter who we are or what we think. Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit nor is He the Father. All 3 are the same God but not the same persons.
 

tommyjones

New Member
Sorry Jewel but the Bible says otherwise. 1 Corinthians 1 vs 18 and 2 vs 14.
Many people will be deceived by that kind of thinking. Matthew 7 vs 21-23. No one gets into heaven on the strength of their church denomination. You do have to be saved in order to understand many things in the Bible. You can understand some things but not all that you could if you were saved. This is why so many here do not know what they are talking about when it comes to God and they get mad when a few of us say they are wrong.

God makes the rules not you Tommy. John 3 vs 3. Who cares what ANYONE says (Christian or not) if the Bible says otherwise. We all will be judged by God and His words so you all had better stop making false statements about Him. His word will NOT change. It is we who have to conform to it.

Toppick, some of your postings have disappointed me. You are in the religious posts and in the others I see some "racy" statements. Can't do both sides of the fence my friend. My point here is that The Old & New testaments are not divided between the Father & Jesus as you've stated. All 3 were present at the beginning. They were not "both the same".


You do not understand the Godhead so you can't make correct statements about them. Jesus is God so everything said, by God, in the Bible was said by Him in one way or another.

So, according to your priest, you're a "child of God" because you are "a beautiful, young, God loving lady"??? So looks are what it takes? We are NOT ALL children of God until we become "born again" Don't be deceived; John 1 vs 12, Romans 8 vs 14 & Galatians 3 vs 26.

No one is born again until they accept Christ into their lives and LIVE LIKE He is there. Many say they are Christians but their actions & words clearly say otherwise. And baptism has nothing to do with one being saved. It is supposed to be a sign of one having accepted Jesus and living like it. Just like a wedding ring is a sign of marriage but it doesn't mean that everyone who wears one is married or that everyone who takes theirs off isn't.

Come on Bob! Jesus is God no matter who we are or what we think. Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit nor is He the Father. All 3 are the same God but not the same persons.


sweet sweet christian bigotry, thank god these idiots dont just save it for the muslims, they harbour the same hate for each other.

BTW, most of the worlds christians disagree with YOUR interpretation.

BTW, neithr god nor jesus wrote the bible, and only small portions are directly attributed to their words. the rest come from MAN
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
sweet sweet christian bigotry, thank god these idiots dont just save it for the muslims, they harbour the same hate for each other.

BTW, most of the worlds christians disagree with YOUR interpretation.

BTW, neithr god nor jesus wrote the bible, and only small portions are directly attributed to their words. the rest come from MAN
Most unsaved people see it as hatred & bigotry.
ANY "christians" who disagree with God's words AREN'T Christians.
The Bible was written physically by man but the wording came by the influence of the Holy Spirit. Read 1 Peter chapter 1. How could Moses have written about the creation if he wasn't born until thousands of years after it? Come on TJ, this is not your strong point my friend. Listen & learn.:buddies:
 
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toppick08

Guest
Most unsaved people see it as hatred & bigotry.
ANY "christians" who disagree with God's words AREN'T Christians.
The Bible was written physically by man but the wording came by the influence of the Holy Spirit. Read 1 Peter chapter 1. How could Moses have written about the creation if he wasn't born until thousands of years after it? Come on TJ, this is not your strong point my friend. Listen & learn.:buddies:

You sure your not Methodist ?....put that beer down.......:lmao:

:buddies:
 

Marie

New Member
First, I am NOT born again. I've been a practicing Catholic my entire life and trust my religion. You shouldn't have to rediscover God in order to discern truth from fiction in the Bible.

Second, do you follow any particular religion or are you as gifted as Marie in predicting the true teachings of Christ?

Woe! where did that come from. You give me far to much credit. I just read listen and learn. Like I said before I am like a bag of hammers smart enough to make honnors society and dumb enough not to be able to tie my shoes.
 

Marie

New Member
so you are in agreement with marie and starman that the only way to interpret the bible is the born again way :shrug:

like i said before, lots of christians disagree, in fact i would dare to say MOST christians dont have your "born again only" interpretation

Lets rephrase this a little. God speaks to us through his word, and can speak to ANYONE through it. Most non Christians dont have the interest to read the Bible and it seems to them as if its a dead old book. Having the holy Spirit within you, opens your eyes to a lot, that a non christian might not see in the word.

Lets also define born again. Its when you get saved, Christ makes you a new creature, the things you once loved arent so interesting and pass away. The world is not so attractive nor is sin. The things you once hated IE God now you love and you grow in holiness over time. Its called the santification process. It starts when you get saved and stops when you die.

I think the key to interpertiting scripture is like one of the others said you can have the Holy Spirit and still not understand all of what you read. In fact I learn new things everyday. Praticing good hermaneutics is the key, context, context context is everything, dont isolate one verse and try to make it fit your meaning. Know who, what, why and when. Understand it as the people it was written to would have.
 

libby

New Member
Sorry Jewel but the Bible says otherwise. 1 Corinthians 1 vs 18 and 2 vs 14.
Many people will be deceived by that kind of thinking. Matthew 7 vs 21-23. No one gets into heaven on the strength of their church denomination. You do have to be saved in order to understand many things in the Bible. You can understand some things but not all that you could if you were saved. This is why so many here do not know what they are talking about when it comes to God and they get mad when a few of us say they are wrong.

So, as we've gone over before...you are certain that your interpretation of Scripture is correct? Why? Because the Holy Spirit leads you? That makes you infallible; do you know what that means? It means you are protected from error in matters of faith. If you are incapable of error, then you must logically conclude that all of Christendom should hear the words IT says, because only IT can explain all that confounds the rest of us in the Bible.

God makes the rules not you Tommy. John 3 vs 3. Who cares what ANYONE says (Christian or not) if the Bible says otherwise. We all will be judged by God and His words so you all had better stop making false statements about Him. His word will NOT change. It is we who have to conform to it.

So, would I be correct is assuming that since you became a Christian, that you have never changed your mind/understanding of anything contained in Scripture? Let's use abortion or gay marriage, or tithing or drinking alcohol, or whatever. Have you NEVER, in your life as a Christian come to a fuller understanding of some of the Lord's teachings? If you have, then you cannot say you possess are charism which allows you to have any certainty about any of your beliefs.

Toppick, some of your postings have disappointed me. You are in the religious posts and in the others I see some "racy" statements. Can't do both sides of the fence my friend. My point here is that The Old & New testaments are not divided between the Father & Jesus as you've stated. All 3 were present at the beginning. They were not "both the same".


You do not understand the Godhead so you can't make correct statements about them. Jesus is God so everything said, by God, in the Bible was said by Him in one way or another.
Unless you have the original letters, than you are trusting someone other than the divinely inspired authors. Simon and Schuster, perhaps? Harper Collins?

So, according to your priest, you're a "child of God" because you are "a beautiful, young, God loving lady"??? So looks are what it takes? We are NOT ALL children of God until we become "born again" Don't be deceived; John 1 vs 12, Romans 8 vs 14 & Galatians 3 vs 26.

That is not what she meant and you know it. You're being belligerant.

No one is born again until they accept Christ into their lives and LIVE LIKE He is there. Many say they are Christians but their actions & words clearly say otherwise. And baptism has nothing to do with one being saved. It is supposed to be a sign of one having accepted Jesus and living like it. Just like a wedding ring is a sign of marriage but it doesn't mean that everyone who wears one is married or that everyone who takes theirs off isn't.

So you feel comfortable judging whether or not someone who claims to be a Christian truly is so? That is seriously bold, IT.


Come on Bob! Jesus is God no matter who we are or what we think. Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit nor is He the Father. All 3 are the same God but not the same persons.
The JW's and Mormon's interpret the same Scripture differently, and while with respect to the Trinity I agree with you, you have no basis for telling them that they are mistaken. You cannot simply tell another person, "Hey, you're wrong, I'm right, and you'd better believe as I do or you'll face punishment by God".
Scripture, evidence and reason will support the Truth of God.
 

libby

New Member
Okay, I made a real mess on my last post trying to quote IT. Good luck trying to make sense of it if you do decide to read. I won't be able to re-write it all.
AARRRGGHHH!!
 

Marie

New Member
The JW's and Mormon's interpret the same Scripture differently you have no basis for telling them that they are mistaken. You cannot simply tell another person, "Hey, you're wrong, I'm right, and you'd better believe as I do or you'll face punishment by God".
Scripture, evidence and reason will support the Truth of God.

Scripture points out that both of these are cults, neither one believes in the same Jesus as the Bible. So if you believe scripture you can take a stand on absolute truth and say there wrong.

Better yet though, you can share with them what the Bible really says and let the Holy Spirit do the work.
Its not about being right, its about Gods amazing grace and the work on the cross, and why its sooo important!
 
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