What is the Democratic National Committee thinking?

[2ndAmendment]

You'd be wrong..

Or you would be.

 

[2ndAmendment]

well, your opnion in this case is wrong.

And your opinion on this is totally meaningless to me.

 

[Midnightrider]

And your opinion on this is totally meaningless to me.

i was stating a fact

 

[2ndAmendment]

i was stating a fact

No. You were stating your opinion of my opinion. A fact is indisputable.

 

[Midnightrider]

No. You were stating your opinion of my opinion. A fact is indisputable.

I can back up my facts by quoting the book of Stan if you want

 

[itsbob]

Or you would be.

Explain to me, if the curch wasn't complicit, how the art, jewelry and other values liberated from the Jews, ended up at the Vatican? The pope never spoke out about the war, and many of the Nazi meetings were overseen or even led by church leaders.

Christians as a whole, and especially the Catholic Church go out of their way to maintain the belief that the Nazi's were devil worshippers and believed in the occult, but the truth is they were a very strong, devout, Catholic led organization.

The Catholic Church got to line their pockets with the riches plundered from the Jews.

 

[2ndAmendment]

By your own admission and definition you are a Bigot. The author of the original Piece is also a Bigot. Just as Muslims who feel the same as you are also Bigots.
See there is something you can agree with the "False" believers.

Miss this part?

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

 

[2ndAmendment]

Explain to me, if the curch wasn't complicit, how the art, jewelry and other values liberated from the Jews, ended up at the Vatican? The pope never spoke out about the war, and many of the Nazi meetings were overseen or even led by church leaders.

Christians as a whole, and especially the Catholic Church go out of their way to maintain the belief that the Nazi's were devil worshippers and believed in the occult, but the truth is they were a very strong, devout, Catholic led organization.

The Catholic Church got to line their pockets with the riches plundered from the Jews.

What people do as church leaders or even being a church leader does not make one a Christian.

"but the truth is they were a very strong, devout, Catholic led organization." Seeing as most of Germany was Lutheran, I find your statement very incredulous.

You guys go ahead and play without me. I have work to do. Bye.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Your being silly, you attempted to use one portion of the definition while skipping over the first definition



And the article you original posted was definetly hate filled. so you have both definitions covered.

OK. Have it your way. I am a bigot.

Got to go. Bye.

 

[Midnightrider]

OK. Have it your way. I am a bigot.

Got to go. Bye.

Told you it was a FACT!

 

[itsbob]

What people do as church leaders or even being a church leader does not make one a Christian.

"but the truth is they were a very strong, devout, Catholic led organization." Seeing as most of Germany was Lutheran, I find your statement very incredulous.

You guys go ahead and play without me. I have work to do. Bye.

The largest Catholic Cathedral in Europe outside of Italy is in Fulda Germany.. has been since 1704.. well before the Third Reich.. Explain to me why would the Lutherans would have built that?

Fulda Cathedral (Fulda Dom) was designed by Johann Dientzenhoeffer in 1704 as a pilgrimage center. It's modeled on St Peter's in Rome and dedicated to St. Salvador and St. Boniface. Boniface is buried in the crypt behind the high altar.

 

[itsbob]

That is the tolerance of Christianity; I am not going to try to force you to believe in Jesus. I can't.

But Christians have tried..

One word..

Inquisition.

 

[TexasPride77]

The largest Catholic Cathedral in Europe outside of Italy is in Fulda Germany.. has been since 1704.. well before the Third Reich.. Explain to me why would the Lutherans would have built that?

Fulda Cathedral (Fulda Dom) was designed by Johann Dientzenhoeffer in 1704 as a pilgrimage center. It's modeled on St Peter's in Rome and dedicated to St. Salvador and St. Boniface. Boniface is buried in the crypt behind the high altar.

Umm,.,Lutherism came AFTER Catholicism..duh (I wonder where it was derived from - lol)

Is it not possible that Germany (during the time of the Nazi regime) was predominately Lutheran WHILST at one time (pre war and Lutherism) it was predominately Catholic?

If that IS the case, then yes - i can see why Germany could be the home to the "The largest Catholic Cathedral in Europe outside of Italy"..

 

[PJay]

once again what was "wrong" in his DNC speech?

You wanna headache, I'll give you one. I can play bullheaded too

Do you remember September 11, 2001?

 

[TexasPride77]

So i guess we'll never find out what, in Al-Husseineys DNC speech, he said was terrible. Besides him being Muslim

From my understanding was that when he said "And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation." - he was referring to the US as being oppressors and occupiers of Iraq/Middle East.

Hannity attempted to get clarification:

"HANNITY: I didn't ask you — sir, with all due — with all due respect, you're not answering my question. I said who were you referring to when you said occupiers and oppressors?"[/quote/

AL-Husainy replied:

AL-HUSAINY: I never said that. I don't know. But you have to bring it back. I don't remember. I don't recall what you're talking about.

BUT later on said:

AL-HUSAINY: I'm against any occupier. For example, let's — let's talk freely. As a liberator, I welcomed President Bush to come and liberate Iraq. But I am against the occupation of Iraq. And that's what was in my mind.

Overall, Hannity was very direct with loaded questions - he seemed to want Al-Husainy to renounce Hesbulla (sp) and say (for the record) that he believes that the US is an oppressive nation who has occupied the middle east.

AL-Husainy did do this - I believe - but in "hem-haw" fashion as he attempted to answer around the questions instead of coming out and anwering the questions out right.

From past interviews of Muslim leaders, this seems to be a consistent means of answering political questions. The method of answering questions reminds me of a person who runs in a zig-zag pattern while running from a bear.

I must admit - AL-Husainy did not come out and say that he hated any religion - but I do feel that he insinuated his personal beliefs with his indirect wording in the speech.

It just goes to prove that if you want to make a statement while not having the balls to stand up for and behind the words which leave your mouth - speak in as broad / general terms as possible.

This way, if someone accuses you of saying something that could make you look bad - it is much easier to deny.

 

[PJay]

Its not bullheaded. Although i would like to understand why you refuse to actually read/hear what Al-huseiney actually said, and would rather rely on someone elses take.

If your going to disparage an entire religion based on a mess of fanatatics, Christianity has had its problems too.

The Holocaust (as we've been discussing)
The KKK (more Tolerant Christians)
The Pedophile Priests
Abortion Clinic Bombings
Though shalt not suffer a witch to live (exodus 22:18)
The Inquisition

I read it. And just like I know Pat Robertson is poo, I can also tell so is this Iman...why can't you?

 

[TexasPride77]

And thats the point, read what Al-Husseiny said without Hannity's "take" on it. when i first heard about it (From Hannity & Colmes) i took it the same way everyone else did.

But if you read and or listen to the full speech,

you realize he :

• praises all religions and beliefs
• states a position against the war that is typical of Religion, even the Pope was against it, wheres the outcry
• is asking God to stop war, violence, oppression and ocupation - that should be a good thing.

Indeed, I understand what he said and in a general sense - i have no issues with the speech. I do wonder (as Hannity attempted to clarify) if he views the US as an oppressive nation that had invaded Iraq. Al-Husseiny did not want to give a direct/straight answer.

I think what has caused such a rukus over Al-Husseiny is the fact that he has led /participated in PRO Hesbulla war rallies. Hesbulla's positions are all ANTI-American. I think Hannity - indirectly - was trying to make a connection between American Hesbulla followers and Dearborn, MI Muslims.

Had the DNC got some other Imam to do the prayer - this thread would not be in existence today - unless someone wanted to complain about the prayer was delivered by a Muslim vs a Christian. Instead, the DNC choose the Imam from Michigan - a state with a KNOWN occupancy of anti-American Muslims. Heck the CIA is even keeping thier eyes on them (just in case - i suppose)

 

[TexasPride77]

And everytime Pat Robertson has a message is there equal outrage? or just when talks about his controversial subjects?

Perhaps but many just shrug him off as being a bible thumping, holy roller who has no place in politics. I agree. NO person of clergy should ever impose their personal views upon their congregation. Present the word as it is in the text and allow the congregation to interpret the word as they see fit.

There was nothing this Imam stated that justifies this "outrage" against the DNC, and i'm hardly a cheerleader for them. but it really makes those who agree with the Lunatic Rantings from the original author look like equal bigots.

I agree, the speech contained no DIRECT defamatory wording toward anyone of any religion. Had this man been a Christian, no one would have said a thing about the prayer - even if it HAD contained INDIRECT anti-Islamic wording.

Again, the speech's context was "general" in speaking. When Al-Husainy was asked by Hannity to clarify WHO the oppressors, that he was referring to, were specifically - he floundered around and seemed to act as if he was trying to intentionally not answer the question. When he was asked if he was referring to the US - he squirmed even more and did his best to subvert the question with an empty elaborative explanation that ate up air time.

All i did was respond to 2a's post, that Christianity is the only "true" religion, and that the Imam was saying something that he really wasnt. Taking a persons words out of context is what we expect from the DemocRats.

From a Christian's perspective - Christianity IS the "only "true" religion"

AND

The Imam spoke in such general terms that nearly anything he said could be taken the wrong way. Seems to me the Pope did the same thing not too long back.

 

[TexasPride77]

I dont think thats true, the same "outrage" was heard, on this board, because a newly Elected Senator, wanted to use a Quran instead of the Bible to swear in. with alot of the same arguments, by many of the same people.

As a Christian - I can see why Christian Americans would have a problem with that

BUT

There is a separation of church and state in American government.

If any American fails to realize this seperation - they are the ones with the problem.

Personally, I would love to keep all Christian symbology/etc in government but to do so would mean that Islamic symbology would be allowed to exist as well. I will not live my life under any religion other than Christianity. SO as a means to agree to disagree - i agree to remove anything Christianiac in nature from anything Government related.

 

[itsbob]

As a Christian - I can see why Christian Americans would have a problem with that

BUT

There is a separation of church and state in American government.

If any American fails to realize this seperation - they are the ones with the problem.

Personally, I would love to keep all Christian symbology/etc in government but to do so would mean that Islamic symbology would be allowed to exist as well. I will not live my life under any religion other than Christianity. SO as a means to agree to disagree - i agree to remove anything Christianiac in nature from anything Government related.

There is no seperation of Church and State in the United states, if there were, they would not be tax exempt and get all the priviledges that are given them. They would be treated just like any other money making corporation.