What the hell is going on in LaPlata??

[MMM_donuts]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/10/31/Parents-Pull-Son-From-Class-Because-School-Is-Teaching-Islam want more? I can do this all day...

Can you actually do this all day? You posted like two stories.

I now officially challenge you to post no less than 50 more in the next 48 hours.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Just to update the thread:

As expected,

A Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled this week that La Plata High School and its administrators did not violate a student’s First Amendment rights during a world history class that included lessons about Islam.

The court disagreed with Wood’s claim that the assignments promoted and endorsed Islam and noted in its opinion that the challenged materials constituted a small part of the school’s world history curriculum. “A reasonable observer, aware of the world history curriculum being taught, would not view the challenged materials as communicating a message of endorsement,” Judge Barbara Keenan, who was joined by Judge James Wynn and Judge Pamela Harris, wrote.

Charles Co. - Judges rule school system did not violate student’s rights

A Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled this week that La Plata High School and its administrators did not violate a student’s First Amendment rights during a world history class that included lessons about Islam. In the fall of 2014, the family of Caleigh Wood, then a junior at La Plata...

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[spr1975wshs]

Cannot truly be a World History class if one is not being taught about the history of the whole world.

 

[officeguy]

What a waste that the school district had to spend money to defend against this Looney tunes suit.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Just to update the thread: As expected

The oracle speaks.

Do you think the teacher taught the class the that profit, (intentionally misspelled), Muhammad, married a 6 year old girl, and consummated, raped, her at 9 years old? Or that it's ok, per the Quran, his writings, to have sexual relations, (pedophilia) with young boys? That it's really not a religion, but more about control and domination, and like the Mafia, as an apostate, if you ever decide to leave it, you face death? That everyone must accept and join, or be killed? Or did the teacher only talk about the flowery lovey dovey parts, if there are any? (Actually I looked an could not find any redeeming features of Islam.) I mean really. When was the last anyone heard of Muslims having a bake sale to help spread the good word, or help a child in need, or to help someone that has fallen on hard times? Inquiring minds oh great oracle.

 

[awpitt]

Cannot truly be a World History class if one is not being taught about the history of the whole world.

Exactly. Just do the class assignment and move on. The intolerant father, in this case, should have to reimburse the school system for all the problems he caused because he was afraid his kid might actually learn World History.

 

[TCROW]

Algebra sounds Middle Eastern. Better quit mathing.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If I may ...

The oracle speaks.

Do you think the teacher taught the class the that profit, (intentionally misspelled), Muhammad, married a 6 year old girl, and consummated, raped, her at 9 years old? Or that it's ok, per the Quran, his writings, to have sexual relations, (pedophilia) with young boys? That it's really not a religion, but more about control and domination, and like the Mafia, as an apostate, if you ever decide to leave it, you face death? That everyone must accept and join, or be killed? Or did the teacher only talk about the flowery lovey dovey parts, if there are any? (Actually I looked an could not find any redeeming features of Islam.) I mean really. When was the last anyone heard of Muslims having a bake sale to help spread the good word, or help a child in need, or to help someone that has fallen on hard times? Inquiring minds oh great oracle.

Maybe. Maybe the teacher taught that the bible says to not eat shellfish (Leviticus 11:10) or wear polyester (Leviticus 19:19). Maybe she pointed out the bible condones sex slavery (Exodus 21: 7-8)

Or maybe she's just teaching a high school history class and not a college professor teaching theology.

 

[Goldenhawk]

Maybe. Maybe the teacher taught that the bible says to not eat shellfish (Leviticus 11:10) or wear polyester (Leviticus 19:19). Maybe she pointed out the bible condones sex slavery (Exodus 21: 7-8)

If she taught that, she ought to also read the New Testament which explicitly does away with all those things (I'll be happy to quote chapter and verse in a private message if you'd like). Your assertion is like saying that the American legal system condones slavery, simply because the earliest American laws did, even though those laws have long since been overturned. If you're going to teach history, teach all of it.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If she taught that, she ought to also read the New Testament which explicitly does away with all those things (I'll be happy to quote chapter and verse in a private message if you'd like). Your assertion is like saying that the American legal system condones slavery, simply because the earliest American laws did, even though those laws have long since been overturned. If you're going to teach history, teach all of it.

The intent wasn't to have a debate about religion and you'd agree that there's only so much time teachers have to teach a litany of things. You can't expect them to talk about every religion in depth. Browsing of each one from a high level should be okay. Unless it's about Islam, I guess.

 

[Goldenhawk]

I think it's fine to discuss religion in school.

But every single item on your very brief list of things about Christianity actually only apply to Judaism, which denies the teachings of the New Testament, while orthodox Christianity believes that the New Testament explicitly supersedes the Old Testament legal system and in fact overturns many of those laws. I realize you didn't specify Christianity - but you did say "the Bible" which only refers to the Christian belief system.

Perhaps those students are not the only ones that need to take a class on religious history.

 

[Goldenhawk]

The intent wasn't to have a debate about religion

That's fine; I don't think many online debates about religion are all that convincing to anyone. But I think it's worth pointing out clear factual errors.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

That's fine; I don't think many online debates about religion are all that convincing to anyone. But I think it's worth pointing out clear factual errors.

Did you disagree that those passages existed in the Bible? Or did you point out which version of the bible removed them?

 

[TCROW]

I think it's fine to discuss religion in school.

But every single item on your very brief list of things about Christianity actually only apply to Judaism, which denies the teachings of the New Testament, while orthodox Christianity believes that the New Testament explicitly supersedes the Old Testament legal system and in fact overturns many of those laws. I realize you didn't specify Christianity - but you did say "the Bible" which only refers to the Christian belief system.

Wasn’t in fact the old covenant a contract between God and Israel and as such Christians aren’t even party to it?

Perhaps a strict or even nascent understanding after all these years, but that’s my understanding as to why Christians can ignore the OT.

Never understood if that meant the 10 commandments can be ignored though

 

[Goldenhawk]

Did you disagree that those passages existed in the Bible? Or did you point out which version of the bible removed them?

Those passages certainly DO exist in the Bible, but they're quoted entirely out of context. They seem like talking points from atheists or agnostics, instead of practicing Christians who are very familiar with the entire Bible. It's meant to be a history book itself, and it faithfully records the flow of the Judeo-Christian legal system over thousands of years of change. It's not wise to quote from the Old Testament without understanding how it's been modified by the New Testament.

Here's one to get you started:

Peter Visits Cornelius

9The next day as Cornelius’s messengers were nearing the town, Peter went up on the flat roof to pray. It was about noon, 10and he was hungry. But while a meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw the sky open, and something like a large sheet was let down by its four corners. 12In the sheet were all sorts of animals, reptiles, and birds. 13Then a voice said to him, “Get up, Peter; kill and eat them.”

14“No, Lord,” Peter declared. “I have never eaten anything that our Jewish laws have declared impure and unclean.b”

15But the voice spoke again: “Do not call something unclean if God has made it clean.” 16The same vision was repeated three times. Then the sheet was suddenly pulled up to heaven.

Or

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

Or

14For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united Jews and Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us. 15He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations.

Or

The Glory of the New Covenant

7The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! 10In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. 11So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!

12Since this new way gives us such confidence, we can be very bold. 13We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory, even though it was destined to fade away. 14But the people’s minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.

16But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.

There are many, many more quotes that make the same point, and could be brought to bear on each of those three examples you cite, but I hope to have made the point that it's incorrect to assert that the Bible taken AS A WHOLE supports slavery or sex slavery or not eating shellfish or not wearing polyester. Rather, the New Testament teaches liberty and freedom and grace in Jesus Christ - but all governed by the fundamental principle that Jesus demonstrated and demanded of his disciples: everything should be about preferring the other over ourselves, surrendering our rights for the benefit of others, and laying down our lives for both fellow man and for God's calling on us.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Those passages certainly DO exist in the Bible, but they're quoted entirely out of context. They seem like talking points from atheists or agnostics, instead of practicing Christians who are very familiar with the entire Bible. It's meant to be a history book itself, and it faithfully records the flow of the Judeo-Christian legal system over thousands of years of change. It's not wise to quote from the Old Testament without understanding how it's been modified by the New Testament.

There are many, many more quotes that make the same point, and could be brought to bear on each of those three examples you cite, but I hope to have made the point that it's incorrect to assert that the Bible taken AS A WHOLE supports slavery or sex slavery or not eating shellfish or not wearing polyester. Rather, the New Testament teaches liberty and freedom and grace in Jesus Christ - but all governed by the fundamental principle that Jesus demonstrated and demanded of his disciples: everything should be about preferring the other over ourselves, surrendering our rights for the benefit of others, and laying down our lives for both fellow man and for God's calling on us.

Yeah snap. What she said. In your face ChrisyPoo.

 

[spr1975wshs]

Algebra sounds Middle Eastern. Better quit mathing.

Al Cohol, too.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If I may ...

Yeah snap. What she said. In your face ChrisyPoo.

Are you 6?

I'm not the one complaining about why the school didn't teach about every detail of the Islamic faith. You, of course, point out the bad things of the faith needing to be taught. I was obviously being facetious in my reply and now folks act like I (as an athiest) want to debate religion.

To top it off, you couldn't even come up with your own comment. You're like the mouthy kid that hides behind someone else. Pointing and jumping up and down. "Yea, what they said!".

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Are you 6? To top it off, you couldn't even come up with your own comment. You're like the mouthy kid that hides behind someone else. Pointing and jumping up and down. "Yea, what they said!".

The eloquence of Goldenhawk's comments needed no further supplementation. But sure, I don't mind being one of those that jump on the pile after the initial tackle to help further squish and knock the wind out of you.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If I may ...

The eloquence of Goldenhawk's comments needed no further supplementation. But sure, I don't mind being one of those that jump on the pile after the initial tackle to help further squish and knock the wind out of you.

The entire conversation was unwarranted and only existed because you felt the need to point out that "Muslim = bad" after I simply said "as expected" (because most of us with a sound mind understood the stupidity of the lawsuit).

But hey, if you need a metaphorical cyber beat down to make you feel better, have at it.