What would you do?

[Nicole_in_somd]

Do you know?

Sorry....but death would be my choice for several reasons but the most important one is I just could not bring myself to the point of denying Christ to lose my soul just to save my life. I still have questions about Religion and God but I do not have questions about his existence, (thanks to Penn and 2A)

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

I understood they were FORCED to proclaim Islam as their faith or be killed and I thought the same thing. I have no respect for those people anyway and now I even have less, if that is at all possible.

The question here is tough, would you proclaim Islam as your religion with a gun pointed to your head, when you are a Christian?

My first thought is my children, the rest of the world doesn’t matter, only them, they are the most important to me, and if they were small still as young as they are now, I would want to be with them. Or at least take the chance that I could be reunited with them. That is where the complication is. If it was just me, my kids were grown, just take my life, but even with that said, it is hard to judge what you'd do when those shoes are not on your feet.

If the reporters had not proclaimed Islam then they might not be alive to tell the story and I doubt we would know why they are dead.

Now, we know the way those people will FORCE their religion on people.

I understand you wanting to be with your kids, they were my first thought but I guess the reason I made my choice is death can come to us at any moment, I know deep in my heart past my doubts that God will watch over them, the more I read the more I feel that. I would rather show my children that I love them and that I always will but this life is only temporary and we would see each other again, not to compromise your devotion to God.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

Here's another quick update I just talked to my mom and the nurse just came out and said they only had to do 4 bypasses and they are putting things back in place and sewing him up. The doctor will be out in 1hr to talk to my mom and grandma and uncle. I am just so glad my grandpa made it through this surgery now he just has a long road to recovery. Thanks all for your prayers and please keep him in them for a while as he has a long road to recovery.

 

[oldman]

I don't think the Bible gives any room.I can only go by what the Bible says. If what I wish was right conflicts with what is in the Bible, then what I wish is wrong and what the Bible says is right. It is that simple for me.

I do admire you for your beliefs and if that's the way you see it that's fine. I just do not see what the bible says quit as simple as you do. I am not nearly as strict as you are on what the bible says. Are you more correct than I, well only time will tell. We both worship the same diety and it's only He that knows if we're worthy of His everlasting life.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

I do admire you for your beliefs and if that's the way you see it that's fine. I just do not see what the bible says quit as simple as you do. I am not nearly as strict as you are on what the bible says. Are you more correct than I, well only time will tell. We both worship the same diety and it's only He that knows if we're worthy of His everlasting life.

That was so nice of you to write very nice. I think it was a hard question and made a lot of us think about it.

 

[Kain99]

Now I'm really confused.... The whole point of Jesus life was to lead us to his Father. He was just the messenger.

The Islamics believe in our God. Not completely certain the "conversions" changed much.

Hence, my belief that Jews and Islamics will see slavation.

 

[Penn]

I understand you wanting to be with your kids, they were my first thought but I guess the reason I made my choice is death can come to us at any moment, I know deep in my heart past my doubts that God will watch over them, the more I read the more I feel that. I would rather show my children that I love them and that I always will but this life is only temporary and we would see each other again, not to compromise your devotion to God.

That is a very honest, open and concise philosophy.

I am thinking The Lord is with you.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I understand you wanting to be with your kids, they were my first thought but I guess the reason I made my choice is death can come to us at any moment, I know deep in my heart past my doubts that God will watch over them, the more I read the more I feel that. I would rather show my children that I love them and that I always will but this life is only temporary and we would see each other again, not to compromise your devotion to God.

Well said.

I love Sharon; I love my kids. I love life, but Jesus definitely stated the priorities that are expected.

Luke 14:25-27

25Now large crowds were going along with Him; and He turned and said to them,

26"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

27"Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

Did Jesus really mean to hate your wife, children, parents, and your life? No. But compared to your love and devotion to Him, your love of others should be like hate. I hope that comes across right. It is hard to express without seeming cold. Let me try this. I love Sharon dearly; I love Jesus more. I love my kids dearly; I love Jesus more. I love life, even with its aches, pains, and disappointments, but I love Jesus more. By comparison, my love for self, Sharon, kids is required to be so much less than my love for God that in comparison, it is like hate. Regarding this life:

John 12:24-26

24"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

25"He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.

26"If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.

Jesus was also speaking of His own crucifixion here, but also of the way we should regard this life.

 

[Kain99]

I understand you wanting to be with your kids, they were my first thought but I guess the reason I made my choice is death can come to us at any moment, I know deep in my heart past my doubts that God will watch over them, the more I read the more I feel that. I would rather show my children that I love them and that I always will but this life is only temporary and we would see each other again, not to compromise your devotion to God .

Agreed... She is right on target.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Now I'm really confused.... The whole point of Jesus life was to lead us to his Father. He was just the messenger.

The Islamics believe in our God. Not completely certain the "conversions" changed much.

Hence, my belief that Jews and Islamics will see slavation.

Goes against the Bible.

144,000, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jews) will be saved according to the Bible but that does not count the ones that accept Jesus as Savior.

Revelation 7:4-10

4And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

5from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,

6from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,

7from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,

8from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
A Multitude from the Tribulation
9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

10and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."

 

[Kain99]

Goes against the Bible.

144,000, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jews) will be saved according to the Bible but that does not count the ones that accept Jesus as Savior.

I am going to refrain from comment. Your faith is fragile.

 

[Penn]

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I have not given anyone any red karma in this thread, or any others in the last week or so.

To the unsigned person that sent it to you, please rest assured that it was not me.

I have only sent green.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I am going to refrain from comment. Your faith is fragile.

Only God knows my faith and whether it is fragile or not.

I won't comment on your knowledge of scripture.

 

[Pandora]

I am going to refrain from comment. Your faith is fragile.

2A's faith is fragile.

He is reading straight from the book of Revelations. Remember, this is AFTER the Rapture of the Church from earth. There very well could be that few of people here.


Too many nuts with nukes.

 

[Kain99]

2A's faith is fragile.

He is reading straight from the book of Revelations. Remember, this is AFTER the Rapture of the Church from earth. There very well could be that few of people here.


Too many nuts with nukes.

Yes.... I know it is Revelations. I deleted my rant regarding the book. True beleivers DO NOT beat the Hell out of others.

Only those weak of faith.

 

[oldman]

That was so nice of you to write very nice. I think it was a hard question and made a lot of us think about it.

There is no need to not be very nice. I grew up being told never to talk politics nor religion with friends. Everyone has their own fixed opinions in regards to both and to not agree with them - well I'm sure you know what happens. At my age I have come to respect all for what they believe, which does not suggest I totally agree with them. The fact that 2A and I do not totally agree on interpretation of the bible does not mean he, nor I, are wrong. We are both looking for the same end result.

 

[2ndAmendment]

He is reading straight from the book of Revelations. Remember, this is AFTER the Rapture of the Church from earth. There very well could be that few of people here. ...

I am pretty sure that this is during the tribulation. Revelation 8 goes on to describe the breaking of seals and more tribulation on the earth.

Revelation 8

1When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

3Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.

4And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand.

5Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

6And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.

7The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood,

9and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters.

11The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.

12The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.

13Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, "Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!"

The books of prophesy are difficult. I have studied them for years and I know I don't understand completely. Some things have not occurred, so they are hard to impossible to know. The Abomination of Desolation in Daniel. I think I'll recognize it if it occurs in my lifetime, but I have no real inkling of what Daniel is writing.

Daniel 9:24-27

24"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

25"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

26"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

27"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

I've read that and read that and I still don't know. I've prayed about it, and I still don't know. But I trust God to reveal what I need to know when I need to know it.

 

[Pandora]

Just got a beautiful YM.

RN_72004u: Imagine EDIT shock when at the gates he is informed that he detered some several hundred possible conversions

2A is doing so much better controlling his temper than in the past. You have to give credit where credit is due, but if true believers do not beat the hell out of each other, what are you doing to 2A?

I’m not trying to get in an argument with you at all. I’m just trying to express my opinion and I’m not sure what has you rattled.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Yes.... I know it is Revelations. I deleted my rant regarding the book. True beleivers DO NOT beat the Hell out of others.

Only those weak of faith.

I have not beat or tried to beat anyone. Others beside Kain correct me if they feel I have.

I have posted scripture. I try to keep my opinion out of it as much as possible. I express what I would do and the scripture to back up my decision.

 

[Pandora]

I am pretty sure that this is during the tribulation. Revelation 8 goes on to describe the breaking of seals and more tribulation on the earth.
The books of prophesy are difficult. I have studied them for years and I know I don't understand completely. Some things have not occurred, so they are hard to impossible to know. The Abomination of Desolation in Daniel. I think I'll recognize it if it occurs in my lifetime, but I have no real inkling of what Daniel is writing. I've read that and read that and I still don't know. I've prayed about it, and I still don't know. But I trust God to reveal what I need to know when I need to know it.

Yes, I will agree that this is during the tribulation period, because Paul points to a squence of events that must occur before that period.

1. The Rebelion - which I spoke about earlier in this thread AND

2. The removal of the restrainer. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 talks about this

6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

Wouldn't Christians be what holds it back? So, we would have to be gone? Imagine if there is nobody on earth to say "that's not right." "That is immoral"

Then there is the deception of the antichrist in the same book of Thessalonians 2:3 saying he is WITHOUT LAW. Daniel says, he will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. (Daniel 9:27) Satan wants the world to worship him and this is clear in Thessalonias.

9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.


^ He'll be believable, able to perform miracles, signs and wonders but in the end he will be destroyed. Satan will return to earth in human form. People think this will be a peace contract with the middle east in some form that he will break. He will declare he IS God.


4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.


There is so much I don't nor will ever understand.