What would you do?

[2ndAmendment]

I have to disagree that is the time when your faith really shows. If you truly believe than you will know what you would do. Death will come to us all at one time or another.

I would not want to go out denying Christ to try and save my life, to me that would be like selling out your father or mother, if the gunman gave you a choice and said i will kill you or your child or your parent would your love be enough to sarcarfice yourself for them?

Not the same thing I know but close IMO. If you love something and have true faith in it then it will come naturally. At least that is how I feel about it.

I guess if I devoted my life in God and then why would I not have faith that in the end it will work out? that is what my life was dedicated to right?

I would not be able to deny Christ or God just to buy more time here on earth, not that I am a fan on dying but I cannot see myself selling Christ out.

Well said.

brendar buhl, you are right that no ones knows for sure until the situation arises, but if we prepare our hearts and minds now and rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us now, the Holy Spirit will be our comforter when and if the situation does arise and we will not deny our Savior.

 

[2ndAmendment]

the dying one day doesn't matter to the arguement. the thing is, you have a way to keep yourself from dying, and the only thing that is going to keep you from doing it is pride. why else wouldn't you placate the religious zealot who was holding you, knowing in your heart, that what you believe is true? If you know what you believe, the words that come out of your mouth are immaterial. A a just god would understand your deliema.

If you don't save your own life in that circumstance, then you have choosen to die.

Lets put the shoe on the other foot.

A crazy person with a weapon comes up to you and your child (mother, husband, wife, substitute the most loved one of your choice) and says to you, one of you are going to die. Your choice - you or your child (etc). If you choose your child (etc), are you a murderer? If you choose to be killed, did you commit suicide?

 

[2ndAmendment]

The pride part is that you have to be right, and are willing to accept death, and leave your child motherless rather than even be precieved as having less than total faith in your lord. If you truely have total faith, then what does it matter what other PEOPLE think. God will already know the truth- what ever that truth is....

But as a Christian, you already know what is expected by reading God's word.

God may make the gun misfire. God may make a group of Army Rangers bust through the door just in the nick of time. He saved Daniel from the lions. He can save me from a bullet. If He doesn't, that is OK. Graduation day. As I get older and the aches and pains become worse, staying or going, either is OK. I hope I go before I have to use Depends or worse any way.

 

[Midnightrider]

Lets put the shoe on the other foot.

A crazy person with a weapon comes up to you and your child (mother, husband, wife, substitute the most loved one of your choice) and says to you, one of you are going to die. Your choice - you or your child (etc). If you choose your child (etc), are you a murderer? If you choose to be killed, did you commit suicide?

thats not at all the same. in the OP only 1 person dies if they give the wrong answer to their captive. in yours someone is going to die either way.....

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

The pride part is that you have to be right, and are willing to accept death, and leave your child motherless rather than even be precieved as having less than total faith in your lord. If you truely have total faith, then what does it matter what other PEOPLE think. God will already know the truth- what ever that truth is....

You could not be more wrong, you are just not getting what I am saying.
It has nothing to do with what PEOPLE think at all. You need to read all the other posts in order to get a better picture of what I am saying, it has nothing to do with me being right but me doing what is right.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

thats not at all the same. in the OP only 1 person dies if they give the wrong answer to their captive. in yours someone is going to die either way.....

Nope it is the same you just chose not to see that. I think I have answered your questions the best that I can but I have not seen your answers to my questions. Would you mind addressing them for me? That way I can better understand where you are coming from.

Thanks.

 

[2ndAmendment]

thats not at all the same. in the OP only 1 person dies if they give the wrong answer to their captive. in yours someone is going to die either way.....

What I am trying to get you to see is that when someone is taking your life, it is not suicide if they kill you. It was their actions that put you in the position, not yours. It is their action that will cause your demise, not yours.

 

[Toxick]

if there is a simple method to save your life and you refuse, then you are choosing death, thats an awful lot like suicide to me. Kind of like the now popular suicide by cop.

Suicide by cop is a conscious decision. A maniac that deliberately puts himself in a position that has no possible other outcome besides forcing someone to kill them. Yes - that's suicide.

Renouncing your faith may be a simple method to save your life. It is also RENOUNCING YOUR FAITH. Being willing to die for something is quite a bit different from suicide.

It's not even a fine line between standing fast and commiting suicide. It's a big fat bold line in red with arrows pointing at it.



If one of my kids was in the street and a semi was high-balling right at him (or her), I would do whatever I could to save their life - up to and including throwing myself right in the path of the truck, and I would consider it a fair price.

A choice that results in my death is not always suicide.


If someone says "convert or die", and you say "die" - it's not suicide. It's murder.

I'm not trying to be mean to those that believe, and mocking their faith isn't my style, but, and i do belive that if there is an all knowing god, that he would accept your forced conversion for what it was....

Yeah, He can see it for exactly what it was. Denying your faith on account of being scared of dying.

Which, if one had real faith they wouldn't be scared of dying anyway.



After reading what I just wrote, it comes off judgemental - I am not judging these people - I've never had a gun to my head before. I can't say that I don't look at death with trepidation myself, and wish avoid it for as long as possible. If that situation should ever befall me, where I'm forced to choose between death or renouncing my faith, I can only pray that I have the courage to die.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

Suicide by cop is a conscious decision. A maniac that deliberately puts himself in a position that has no possible other outcome besides forcing someone to kill them. Yes - that's suicide.

Renouncing your faith may be a simple method to save your life. It is also RENOUNCING YOUR FAITH. Being willing to die for something is quite a bit different from suicide.

It's not even a fine line between standing fast and commiting suicide. It's a big fat bold line in red with arrows pointing at it.



If one of my kids was in the street and a semi was high-balling right at him (or her), I would do whatever I could to save their life - up to and including throwing myself right in the path of the truck, and I would consider it a fair price.

A choice that results in my death is not always suicide.


If someone says "convert or die", and you say "die" - it's not suicide. It's murder.





Yeah, He can see it for exactly what it was. Denying your faith on account of being scared of dying.

Which, if one had real faith they wouldn't be scared of dying anyway.



After reading what I just wrote, it comes off judgemental - I am not judging these people - I've never had a gun to my head before. I can't say that I don't look at death with trepidation myself, and wish avoid it for as long as possible. If that situation should ever befall me, where I'm forced to choose between death or renouncing my faith, I can only pray that I have the courage to die.

What you said seems fair. We can only express how we feel and you did a nice job.

 

[2ndAmendment]

What you said seems fair. We can only express how we feel and you did a nice job.

Nice job Toxick.

 

[forever jewel]

If someone says "convert or die", and you say "die" - it's not suicide. It's murder.

He can see it for exactly what it was. Denying your faith on account of being scared of dying.

Which, if one had real faith they wouldn't be scared of dying anyway.

After reading what I just wrote, it comes off judgemental - I am not judging these people - I've never had a gun to my head before. I can't say that I don't look at death with trepidation myself, and wish avoid it for as long as possible. If that situation should ever befall me, where I'm forced to choose between death or renouncing my faith, I can only pray that I have the courage to die.

I believe exactly the same. Its a liberating feeling.