Why Do Republicans Keep Siding With America’s Enemies

[Larry Gude]

And also Obama and Hillary want to let gay homos get married (to each other!) and there's affirmative action, and the gun thing.

And abortion. Obama and Hillary are pro-abortion too.

Why do you hate America?

The President campaigned in favor of 'traditional' marriage. If he's changed his mind then, that can serve as the basis for other politicians to argue changes in their positions.
As for AA, it's the only reason he is President so, can't really expect him to oppose that anymore than we can expect the Bush's and Clinton's to stop looking at it as THEIR government.
Obama and Hillary have had kids so, they are not totally pro abortion.

I don't hate America. I'm learning to adjust to a socialist mentality.

 

[PsyOps]

damn I knew you were old
... but you watched that unfold

I can't get it out of my head.

 

[PsyOps]

Ok but, as an analogy, that doesn't work here because we're not smoking and thus risking our health that way; a rather irreversible thing. What we're doing now, I'm trying to get you to define in order to discuss it and see from there what we agree on or disagree and thence solutions.

If we're talking about social liberalization, then, I don't want to go back. We have more equality of opportunity than ever before.

If we're talking debt, that can be written off. it should be, frankly.

If we're talking the tar babies we've grabbed ahold of over seas, I say we are strong enough to disengage and that THAT would serve the national interest.

If we're talking immigration, that is a deep problem because the parties have supported uncontrolled immigration so thoroughly and for so long, it has become transformative which, to me, is all the reason we need to appeal to new folks on Constitutional and Declaration of Independence grounds, ideologically.

If we're talking morally, I think that is a mixed bag. Racism, despite the Presidents best efforts is, I think, on the decline. I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, the President is black and most people see his goons as hustlers, not MLK types. Not withstanding a VERY few cop related incidents and the fact that we refuse to talk about the 6,000 young black men a year murdered by other young black men, society is moving in a somewhat positive, melting pot direction. However, assimilation is a huge issue as is restating our beliefs in equality of opportunity, not outcome. That said, the socializing of the economy means anyone can be simply chosen to be in charge of it.

So, we're not talking about smoking. What are we talking about?

I think smoking is absolutely applicable, in that it shows the how humans have a propensity to do things that feel good, or is a path of least resistance, even when they know it is harming them.

Social liberalization: Abortion on demand, cutting off the head of Christianity, providing to illegal immigrants while depriving BORN American citizens (i.e. in-state tuition), promoting the ideal that some lives matter more than others (‘black lives matter’), forcing businesses to participate in things that may go against their faith… I don’t think we’re moving in the right direction at all. We’ve made progress, but GROUPS seem never satisfied that what we are is enough.

Debt: we agree. But it can’t be done without stopping the insane spending and government expansion.

Tar babies? What?

Immigration: Let’s just make it clear that you’re talking about ILLEGAL immigration. A social, economic, and national security issue. No country has open borders like we do. Heck you can’t cross into Mexico as easily as Mexicans can into this country. Let’s add this to the list of social liberalization issues… For liberals, unfettered illegal immigration is their key to VOTES! That is all it is. They don’t give a damn about their well-being. They want votes and know how to buy them on the backs of hard-working tax payers.
Morals: no matter how you slice it, this country is dying morally. I don’t know from what side you are looking at racism, but I see a huge jump in racism from the black community. White racism mostly remains in the shadows these days for several decades. Black racism is right in our faces. Sharpton, Jackson, Black Panthers, Farrakhan… they are not ashamed to be overt about their racism. And their audiences are all-too-eager to applaud them. Sorry, the only thing I see in the ‘melting pot’ is a failed attempt to mix water and oil. Porn, exhibitionism, the social media age and how it causes people to capture their salacious and demoralizing behavior, television language/violence/sex, abject violence…

The bottom line in all of this for me is that I am slowly learning that Americans don’t really want to be personally responsible to themselves. They really don’t want to work for what they have. They really don’t care about the damage being done through getting something for nothing, through not taking responsibility for themselves and their actions. Something gone wrong is always someone else’s fault. Kid screws up in school because mommy and daddy are never around to raise their own kid, parents sue school because unruly child got suspended. I got cut off twice going home yesterday because of people that think their text messages are more important than keeping their eyes on the road. Ferguson… the folks there do not care about the facts. Zimmerman… folks there did not care about the facts. Harry Reid and his lie about Romney’s taxes… Pelosi and her lie about “we have to pass it to see what’s in it”… Hillary and her lies about Benghazi and email… Obama taking responsibility for NOTHING… All the way up and down the human food chain, folks seem content on just ignoring what’s being damaged in this country; as long as they keep getting theirs on the backs of someone else they are just fine with the direction we are going.

 

[PsyOps]

Obama and Hillary have had kids so, they are not totally pro abortion.

I can’t speak for Hillary on this, but we know Obama, when the Illinois senate voted against a bill that would have banned ‘born-alive’ abortions. So not only is he for abortion on demand, he is for infanticide. To me, there is something innately evil about someone, who has been blessed with children, that could hold the view that a BORN human doesn’t have inherent rights to sustenance; that they must die. When I look at Obama, this is what I see.

And this may speak more loudly about how Obama views rights in general.

 

[Larry Gude]

Tar babies? What? .

Foreign entanglements. Middle East. Korea.

 

[Larry Gude]

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Debt: we agree. But it can’t be done without stopping the insane spending and government expansion.

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We agree in writing it off?

 

[Larry Gude]

I think smoking is absolutely applicable, in that it shows the how humans have a propensity to do things that feel good, or is a path of least resistance, even when they know it is harming them. .

Humans always have been. That is why most of history is replete with force and totalitarianism. That's why we are special; we try to limit that.

You can't un-smoke 40 years of cigarettes. We can fix most of what ills us.

 

[Larry Gude]

The bottom line in all of this for me is that I am slowly learning that Americans don’t really want to be personally responsible to themselves. They really don’t want to work for what they have. They really don’t care about the damage being done through getting something for nothing, through not taking responsibility for themselves and their actions. Something gone wrong is always someone else’s fault. Kid screws up in school because mommy and daddy are never around to raise their own kid, parents sue school because unruly child got suspended.

This comes from the top. Using TARP only because it is so good an analogy, when the most successful of us are not held accountable, rewarded in fact, that infects everyone else with a "WTF?" In my view, TARP was a sea change in terms of how American's view prosperity, entitlement and so forth. Otherwise successful people have ZERO problem with quantitative easing because it protects, in their view, what they think they are owed. TARP was criminal in letting the troubles assets, people's HOMES, go by the board so that the super rich wouldn't even lose a bonus let alone their jobs or corporations or 4th vacation home.

When you take that sort of step, TARP and QE, it is absurd to expect ANYONE else to play by the 'rules', take their medicine when they mess up. We are a socialist nation, largely, now and, as such, we've chosen, as you say, for the government to, largely, take care of us. That's why the ACA ain't going anywhere. That's why the forever war, terror, security at ALL costs police state ain't going anywhere and why we may as well figure out how to do it better than history has shown.

That's our only real choice as I see it.

 

[itsbob]

Just a quick couple of questions ,
1) So those gay homos are they any relation to the un-gay homos?
2) "the gun thing " ???
3) not pro abortion ...it's pro choice .I thought the SCOTUS resolved that years ago .So you want someone else telling women what to do with their bodies ?

Democrats keep using Rape, and Medical necessity as a reason to kill an unborn child.. yet 90% or more are done for convenience..

If a woman thinks an unborn baby is nothing more than an inconvenience I think ALL medical decisions should be taken from her.

Now we know, not only does a woman not need a reason for an abortion, we also shouldn't limit what trimester or when she can kill her baby.. pretty soon a woman will be able to kill and dispose of her two year old child because they've become an inconvenience..

Now, lets compare the number of American Babies murdered to the number of Jews killed in WWII.. which is the bigger holocaust?

 

[SamSpade]

We agree in writing it off?

How do you write off debt? Almost a third of it is owned by other countries.

 

[PsyOps]

Humans always have been. That is why most of history is replete with force and totalitarianism. That's why we are special; we try to limit that.

You can't un-smoke 40 years of cigarettes. We can fix most of what ills us.

That’s not my point. It seems people will do things to themselves even when they know it’s bad for them: Smoking, speeding, run generators in their house, eat tons of gluten and sugar, listen to extremely loud metal… This mentality seems extend into people expecting things from government that are just unrealistic; that they know have to be detrimental to the future of this country: massive debt, expansive entitlements, ever-increasing taxes, growing surveillance, disarming the people, never-ending wars… We keep asking for this stuff thinking it will fix our problems while knowing the backend gets passed on to our children. We accept the consequences for temporary gratification.

Not all humans have been this way. What did it take for the founders to come here and establish a new nation, and even willing to go to war to preserve it? Things in England were that bad. Are we headed there? A lot of folks believe so. I try not to subscribe to this “the end is near” mentality because I believe in peoples’ desire to remain free than their desire to be taken care of by a tyrannical government. But I will admit, things aren’t looking good.

 

[PsyOps]

How do you write off debt? Almost a third of it is owned by other countries.

Without making enemies? You don't. But we can certainly just tell our debtors that we're not paying it back - wash our hands of it.

 

[Toxick]

Just a quick couple of questions ,
1) So those gay homos are they any relation to the un-gay homos?
2) "the gun thing " ???
3) not pro abortion ...it's pro choice .I thought the SCOTUS resolved that years ago .So you want someone else telling women what to do with their bodies ?

1) Unpucker your sphincter.

2) Read my post again as if it were dripping in sarcasm sauce with a heaping side-order of cynicism and derision toward social conservatives.

3) There you go.





With that said, I do and will continue to use the term Pro-Abortion.
Sometimes "Anti-Life"

Pro-Choice folks continue to insist on referring to Pro-Life as "anti-choice".

Therefore I will continue to insist on referring to them as "pro-abortion" or "anti-life" until they knock it off.

My rationale is: If you can't take the heat get the #### out of my kitchen.









PS: I, myself, am reluctantly pro-choice and enthusiastically pro-drug legalization. I do not think anyone should tell anyone what they can and can't do with their own bodies. However, I can tell you that even the most rabid Pro-Lifer isn't focused on telling women what they can do with their own bodies. It's the body of the fetus - which they see as a human being - that they're trying to protect.

 

[PsyOps]

3) not pro abortion ...it's pro choice .I thought the SCOTUS resolved that years ago .So you want someone else telling women what to do with their bodies ?

Rape and such aside… Who told the woman what to do with her body when she decided it was good idea to have sex and get pregnant? Don’t you agree that when you take on the so-called ‘responsible act’ of having sex that you are also taking on the responsibility of the consequences, and not just throwing that part of it away?

This is what irks me about liberals… you don’t want to take responsibility for anything. You want women to be responsible for their own bodies, but you don’t want them to be responsible for what they have DONE to their own bodies; that there has to be an out; shunning responsibility; not taking responsibility for what they DID do to their own body – getting pregnant. And where not taking responsibility has taken us is unfettered abortion defended by “it’s her body”. Can you please tell me what exactly is being ripped out of that woman’s body?

 

[PsyOps]

PS: I, myself, am reluctantly pro-choice and enthusiastically pro-drug legalization. I do not think anyone should tell anyone what they can and can't do with their own bodies. However, I can tell you that even the most rabid Pro-Lifer isn't focused on telling women what they can do with their own bodies. It's the body of the fetus - which they see as a human being - that they're trying to protect.

You know what the bottom line is for the pro-abortion crowd - if you can't hear it scream, it must not be alive. If we went to Mars and found a microbe, everyone would be jumping up and down for joy that we found LIFE somewhere else. We'd spend golzillions setting up camps on Mars to protect. Laws will be passed that it can't be disturb. Here, back on earth, a human fetus is just a clump of inanimate tissue.

 

[Larry Gude]

You know what the bottom line is for the pro-abortion crowd - if you can't hear it scream, it must not be alive. If we went to Mars and found a microbe, everyone would be jumping up and down for joy that we found LIFE somewhere else. We'd spend golzillions setting up camps on Mars to protect. Laws will be passed that it can't be disturb. Here, back on earth, a human fetus is just a clump of inanimate tissue.

Back when I was anti choice I made that point once with someone who was arguing its not a life; I showed them the paper where Clinton was celebrating the discovery of life on Mars. In a rock.

 

[Larry Gude]

Rape and such aside… ?

That life is NO less innocent and helpless.

 

[Larry Gude]

How do you write off debt? Almost a third of it is owned by other countries.

Well, gosh, thanks for making my argument even easier.

 

[Hijinx]

You know what the bottom line is for the pro-abortion crowd - if you can't hear it scream, it must not be alive. If we went to Mars and found a microbe, everyone would be jumping up and down for joy that we found LIFE somewhere else. We'd spend golzillions setting up camps on Mars to protect. Laws will be passed that it can't be disturb. Here, back on earth, a human fetus is just a clump of inanimate tissue.

I like that post.

By the way the end will not come when Patriots finally get enough of liberal BS.
It will be a new beginning of what America was meant to be.

 

[SamSpade]

Well, gosh, thanks for making my argument even easier.

Why? Do we tell China and Japan - that few TRILLION we owe you? Suck it. Yeah, that's gonna work, especially when we need them again.