Why Do Republicans Keep Siding With America’s Enemies

[Larry Gude]

Why? Do we tell China and Japan - that few TRILLION we owe you? Suck it. Yeah, that's gonna work, especially when we need them again.

This really isn't hard.

Old debt or new business? 100 out of 100 any business would rather do new business and keep going and make a new dollar rather than have to shut everything down waiting to get an old dollar. China would MUCH rather write off $1 trillion and keep factories open rather than shut them all down and wait and see about old debt.

 

[PsyOps]

That life is NO less innocent and helpless.

I absolutely agree.

The one thing that took me a long time to come to terms with is where my opinion on something ends with mandates what people do. My caveat has always been “as long as it doesn’t harm someone else”. I’m still really tied on abortion. I believe harm is being inflicted on another human being. The big question: is a fetus a human life deserving of all the constitutional rights born humans have? I believe it is. Does that move me to the point I feel government should step in and put a stop to abortions? I can’t quite get myself there.

 

[Larry Gude]

I absolutely agree.

The one thing that took me a long time to come to terms with is where my opinion on something ends with mandates what people do. My caveat has always been “as long as it doesn’t harm someone else”. I’m still really tied on abortion. I believe harm is being inflicted on another human being. The big question: is a fetus a human life deserving of all the constitutional rights born humans have? I believe it is. Does that move me to the point I feel government should step in and put a stop to abortions? I can’t quite get myself there.

I got there by deciding that the mothers rights trump her fetus/child/spawns. If you believe her to be a whole human being, while that baby is in her, it MUST be subordinate to her. If you believe the baby to have the rights of the citizen there is NO way around mom having them and thus that is the impasse; who is primary? It HAS to be her.

It's uncomfortable but if we are the land of the free, home of the brave, individual liberty, part of that is simply accepting the rights of ALL of us.

 

[GURPS]

.... pretty soon a woman will be able to kill and dispose of her two year old child because they've become an inconvenience..

there is an Indian Woman on trial for just about that reason, she got the drugs herself, induced labor, left the baby to die on the floor and tossed it in the trash


basically she is on trial for preforming an abortion without medical assistance ....

 

[Larry Gude]

If a woman thinks an unborn baby is nothing more than an inconvenience I think ALL medical decisions should be taken from her.

You would have done well before 1920.

 

[itsbob]

You would have done well before 1920.

I don't want to take rights away from all women
. Just the stupid ones..

 

[GURPS]

The bottom line in all of this for me is that I am slowly learning that Americans don’t really want to be personally responsible to themselves. They really don’t want to work for what they have. They really don’t care about the damage being done through getting something for nothing, through not taking responsibility for themselves and their actions. Something gone wrong is always someone else’s fault.

Awesome Post

 

[Larry Gude]

Awesome Post

Isn't the real question 'why'?

 

[Gilligan]

Isn't the real question 'why'?

Once the horses are over in the next county, does it matter if it was because the gate was left open or a wire was down?

 

[PsyOps]

I got there by deciding that the mothers rights trump her fetus/child/spawns. If you believe her to be a whole human being, while that baby is in her, it MUST be subordinate to her. If you believe the baby to have the rights of the citizen there is NO way around mom having them and thus that is the impasse; who is primary? It HAS to be her.

It's uncomfortable but if we are the land of the free, home of the brave, individual liberty, part of that is simply accepting the rights of ALL of us.

Interesting… this is how early Americans felt about blacks/women: subordinate to the WHITE MAN. What I can’t get past is how our view of that subordination changes the moment that child fully enters the outside world. I’m not sure how this measures against logic. To me it’s just not logical to believe that ‘thing’ in that womb is not a human, and suddenly transform into a human once it’s out. I suppose it makes folks feel better to have that line drawn. I find it impossible to believe they feel good about destroying a human life, so they have to justify it in their minds.

But… I have to maintain that our society can’t agree on when life begins, I sadly have to default on the side of liberty. It's just one of those really uncomfortable issues.

 

[PsyOps]

Isn't the real question 'why'?

We really beat ourselves up over who/what is to blame for this moral decline. We (you and I) know it’s there, we know it’s happening. But ‘why’ is it happening? Human history shows we have a constant desire to take what doesn’t belong to us and destroy each other. Even though we can reason with ‘right and wrong’ we still tend to act against that. In the most basic way of explaining it… it’s territorial. Whether it’s land, our property, our beliefs, our words… there is always someone that wants to take these things away from you. There are folks that will always believe that what you have doesn’t really belong to you. Territory (land, property, money, words, thoughts, knowledge…) are things that gain you power and influence. When someone can take that away from you, you become powerless to the powerful that can steal it from you.

Folks also get a sense of power by watching other peoples’ suffering. When we can watch the demoralization of others we get a sense of strength from that. Jerry Springer mentality. I personally find that weird.

I just think it’s something built into our evolutionary nature that goes back to when we were hunter/gatherers. Really is kind of a paradox that we have this gift of reason and a desire to become more civilized but keep doing things to become less civilized.

 

[PsyOps]

Once the horses are over in the next county, does it matter if it was because the gate was left open or a wire was down?

Yes. Don't you want to learn from your mistakes?

 

[Gilligan]

Yes. Don't you want to learn from your mistakes?

Not if the horse is never coming back.

 

[PsyOps]

Not if the horse is never coming back.

It's not necessarily to get that horse back, but to prevent future horses from getting out.

 

[Pete]

If you study Republican behavior over the past quarter-century, you’ll find that the image of conservative lawmakers standing resolutely for American strength and unity is a myth. Republicans support wars launched by Republican presidents. When Democratic presidents undertake wars or negotiations, Republicans generally attempt to sabotage them. In fact, Republicans often side with our enemies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._enemies_john_mccain_mitch_mcconnell_and.html

Because republicans are pure evil, hate America and want everyone to die a grizzly death.

 

[Hijinx]

There is moral decline because today's politically correct atmosphere and liberal thinking numbnuts are accepting things that were once verboten as perfectly normal and we have no right to knock the preferences of others. Acceptance of immorality is the key to today's moral decline.

 

[daileyck1]

Democrats keep using Rape, and Medical necessity as a reason to kill an unborn child.. yet 90% or more are done for convenience..

90%?? pull that out of your ass did ya.

 

[Larry Gude]

We really beat ourselves up over who/what is to blame for this moral decline. We (you and I) know it’s there, we know it’s happening. But ‘why’ is it happening? .

I honestly don't know. Bush 41 exorcised the demons of Vietnam where Swatzkopf and the boys were all LT's in that era and swore they'd never let it happen again. How that was lost, AGAIN, in barely a decade is beyond me. All the leaders of '03 were around for '91. I think a great deal of dishonor lies at their feet for allowing this to happen again.

So, Bush 43, the easy answer is he was simply in WAY over his head and wanted to make his mark by rejecting his dads advice and being his own man. Terribly insecure of him, awful leadership and, frankly, dumb but at least I can take that and not doubt he meant well. Worst case is he sought an ongoing war. There is no doubt his family serves the Saudi's interest over time and that is a terrible thing for us righties to have simply, I guess, accepted. Especially at the expense of our troops and treasure let alone the indescribably shock of returning ourselves to Vietnam psychologically; no will, or intent, to win.

Obama has simply continued those policies so, at least he's a simple part of the equation. There was never some expectation of him demanding victory.

So, that whole thing, back to losing wars, TSA, DHS, Med D, Pat ACT, TARP, those are stunning, mind blowing things to ponder as a limited government, trust the people type. Now with QE, run away immigration, all things that could have and should have NOT happened for those two terms, we are just so fundamentally altered. Economically. Socially. Which way is even up? Who are we anymore?