Will they go to heaven?

[morningbell]

'Uncontacted tribe' sighted in Amazon - CNN.com

Researchers have produced aerial photos of jungle dwellers who they say are among the few remaining peoples on Earth who have had no contact with the outside world.

So have at it, theists - these folks have never heard of Jesus. How will they get into heaven?

"It's true. You can all get into heaven... Except for retards. It's not their fault! They just can't understand the concept of a God. And it's not like they're Indians, you can't beat it into 'em. Hey, if you're an Indian and you were offended by that joke, you're not getting what I'm trying to say. And you need to find Jesus. And if you're retarded and were offended by that joke... You're not retarded. Stop hiding behind that big-a$$ head and go get a job."

~Sean Rouse

 

[bcp]

"It's true. You can all get into heaven... Except for retards. It's not their fault! They just can't understand the concept of a God. And it's not like they're Indians, you can't beat it into 'em. Hey, if you're an Indian and you were offended by that joke, you're not getting what I'm trying to say. And you need to find Jesus. And if you're retarded and were offended by that joke... You're not retarded. Stop hiding behind that big-a$$ head and go get a job."

~Sean Rouse

although it does not say so in the bible, I could certainly understand God letting the natives that never heard of Jesus, or the mentally challenged that dont have the capacity to understand the theory of Jesus into heaven.

Im pretty sure however, that those that do maintain the capacity and have heard the laws will not be given free ride.

Maybe the Bible was written for those that can understand it, and maybe God has a different set of rules for those that cant.

not for me to question.

 

[This_person]

You're wrong

I concede

 

[Dondi]

According to BCP your not a Christian

How so? I believe Christ as my Savior.

 

[bcp]

According to BCP your not a Christian

At first I thought it was an act, not unlike the act played by many on here, but with each post you make, it becomes more evident that you are not acting, you really are stupid.

 

[foodcritic]

No, my answer is maybe.





First of all, I'm not a universalist. There will be some that go to hell and there will be some that go to heaven. And you are absolutely right, there is a narrow road.

I believe in the born again experience. I believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man can come to the Father, but by Him. But I also believe that not everyone who professes the name of Christ is truly born again, and the Bible backs this up:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7:21-23

So what is the will of the Father? Well, skip over some chapters in Matthew:

"Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." - Matthew 25:34-40

This is the kind of person God is looking for. And you might ask, how is this different that the works that are described in Matthew 7? It has to do with the attitude of the heart. God is not looking for people who do good works, but people who will love, people who will sacrifice their lives in compassion and mercy for people.

When someone finds this kind of love in their heart, they have found God, they have found Jesus, they have found His Holy Spirit. For the Way, the Truth, the Life that Jesus said He was encompassed this kind of love and compassion. The whole point of the Law was to love God and love thy neighbor.

I contend that there are those in different religions that have found life in Christ, though they might not realize it. I've heard story after story of those whose lives were changed to make them compassionate people. Those who find this love are born again. It is the fruit of the Spirit.

What of Christ's sacrifice? The purpose of sacrifice was to atone for sins and bring people back into a relationship with God. And while I believe that Christ died for our sins, I'm open to the possibility that that application could apply to those who are repentent of their sins regardless of who and what they are, if they seek God with all their heart and seek to get things right. It is a universal sacrifice.

Having said this, I still believe that it is better to follow Jesus in the light that you have. That as one gains the knowledge of Christ through scripture, that person can grow. But I also believe that those lacking knowledge, but are seeking God, will be taught by the Holy Spirit how to live and how to love.

You only need to go to the example of the Good Samaritan to see the truth in this. This Samaritan was not a Jew, in fact the Jews despised and ostrecized the Samaritans because they didn't believe as they do. They have erred in doctrine. They weren't considered true Jews, yet in this story, this Good Samaritan is the one who had compassion on his neighbor, even for his enemy.

Remember, Jesus gave this parable in response to a certain lawyer's question of how to inherit eternal life:

"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live." - Luke 10:25-28

I don't remember saying anything about people who call themselves Christians but are not being rejected in the end. I belive you are right with that point.

However contending that other religions will possibly lead to Christ is not biblical. Being good

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."


This verse accurately challanges any notion that some other religion provides an avenue for salvation regardless of how good we think we may be. The bible tells us through, how evil and wicked we are so I would be suprised to think that we could somehow attain this type of loving kindeness that you speak of. Christians as a matter of fact fail at all the virtues you mentioned. It's our sinfule nature. It is only by faith in Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit that can HELP(does the work for us) us. Even with that our condition is depraved. Paul's example of struggling with sin bears that out.

It's a nice thought but I dont think the bible teachs it.

 

[Dondi]

I don't remember saying anything about people who call themselves Christians but are not being rejected in the end. I belive you are right with that point.

However contending that other religions will possibly lead to Christ is not biblical. Being good

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."


This verse accurately challanges any notion that some other religion provides an avenue for salvation regardless of how good we think we may be. The bible tells us through, how evil and wicked we are so I would be suprised to think that we could somehow attain this type of loving kindeness that you speak of. Christians as a matter of fact fail at all the virtues you mentioned. It's our sinfule nature. It is only by faith in Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit that can HELP(does the work for us) us. Even with that our condition is depraved. Paul's example of struggling with sin bears that out.

It's a nice thought but I dont think the bible teachs it.

I never said that the other religions were an avenue to salvation. I am speaking in terms of the INDIVIDUAL. God knows a person's heart. Regardless of what religion a person happens to be in, I believe God will give due consideration to how a person has lived their lives within that paradigm.

You ought to carefully read Romans 9-11 concerning the Jews, especially Romans 11:25-27.

 

[tiltedangel]

'Uncontacted tribe' sighted in Amazon - CNN.com

Researchers have produced aerial photos of jungle dwellers who they say are among the few remaining peoples on Earth who have had no contact with the outside world.

So have at it, theists - these folks have never heard of Jesus. How will they get into heaven?

could be they know jesus by another name in their language.....god created man no matter where they are and will bring them home when it is time.....or they have their own version of heaven as so many of us have our choice of religion and the gods we worship...

 

[Marie]

'Uncontacted tribe' sighted in Amazon - CNN.com

Researchers have produced aerial photos of jungle dwellers who they say are among the few remaining peoples on Earth who have had no contact with the outside world.

So have at it, theists - these folks have never heard of Jesus. How will they get into heaven?

People dont go to hell for not hearing of Christ they go to hell for their sins.

 

[doubt_me]

'Uncontacted tribe' sighted in Amazon - CNN.com

Researchers have produced aerial photos of jungle dwellers who they say are among the few remaining peoples on Earth who have had no contact with the outside world.

So have at it, theists - these folks have never heard of Jesus. How will they get into heaven?

if they have been reached in some manner for us to know that they think they are among the few to have no contact with the outside world, how do we know abou them? and how do we know they feel that way? guess they can't claim that anymore.

 

[foodcritic]

Rom makes the case

I never said that the other religions were an avenue to salvation. I am speaking in terms of the INDIVIDUAL. God knows a person's heart. Regardless of what religion a person happens to be in, I believe God will give due consideration to how a person has lived their lives within that paradigm.

You ought to carefully read Romans 9-11 concerning the Jews, especially Romans 11:25-27.

Rom Ch10:5-13
5Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them."[a] 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7"or 'Who will descend into the deep?'[c]" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[d] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[e] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."[f]
14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"[g]

 

[Dondi]

Read a little further:

"But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."- Romans 10:18-21

Here Paul first quotes Psalm 19:4, but to get the context:

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun," - Psalm 19:1-4

This goes back to the witness of creation (see Romans 1). The creation declares the Glory of God.

The passage in Isaiah 65 speaks of the rebellion of Israel, therefore God will reveal Himself to a people that are not His people (i.e. the Gentiles). However, this is only temporary, for in the next chapter, Romans 11, God will send a Deliverer unto Sion:

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins." - Romans 11:26-27

The Messiah will then be revealed unto Israel. They are still under covnenat with God.

 

[Starman3000m]

'Uncontacted tribe' sighted in Amazon - CNN.com

Researchers have produced aerial photos of jungle dwellers who they say are among the few remaining peoples on Earth who have had no contact with the outside world.

So have at it, theists - these folks have never heard of Jesus. How will they get into heaven?

(excerpt)

“As it turns out, the story is only half true. The men in the photo are members of a tribe, but it certainly ain't "lost." In fact, as the photographer, José Carlos Meirelles, recently explained, authorities have known about this particular tribe since 1910. The photographer and the agency that released the pictures wanted to make it seem like they were members of a lost tribe in order to call attention to the dangers the logging industry may have on the group.”

Source:
Yahoo! Buzz

 

[camily]

(excerpt)

“As it turns out, the story is only half true. The men in the photo are members of a tribe, but it certainly ain't "lost." In fact, as the photographer, José Carlos Meirelles, recently explained, authorities have known about this particular tribe since 1910. The photographer and the agency that released the pictures wanted to make it seem like they were members of a lost tribe in order to call attention to the dangers the logging industry may have on the group.”

Source:
Yahoo! Buzz

Doesn't the article call them "uncontacted", not lost?

 

[Starman3000m]

It doesnt change the original question

"What about the lost tribes who never had a chance to hear about Jesus?"

The "original question" is sometimes used as a red herring to put off having to deal with it your ownself. The real point is, what about those who have heard about Jesus and choose to reject His Message?

Back to the "original question". God has made provisions in the spirit of man to discern that there is something that must explain the existence/creation of life on this planet. Some people experience an empty feeling in their life as they search for answers.

The Holy Bible speaks that the wonders of the Universe explain the existence of His Creation so that man is without excuse.

Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit being sent to reach mankind with His Truth and we are told that God is Spirit and His Truth can only be "spiritually discerned."

Therefore, "lost tribes" may not be as lost as we think they are. There would be individuals within those tribes who would have the wonder and desire to be better people and to seek the giver of life to help them.

The Old Testament writings were documented prior to the birth of Jesus. Even then, God had the ability to allow people to personally know Him as long as the individual was sincere in wanting to change their direction in life in order to be close to the Divine Creator and be led by His Guidance.

There are many areas in the Bible that indicate where God is always willing to reveal Himself to those who honestly want to know Him. For example, here are some personal decisions people must make which will lead them to (or away from) knowing the True God of Creation:

The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: (Proverbs 8:13-20)

A member of a "lost tribe" who hates evil, pride, arrogancy, the evil way, froward mouth and sincerely wants to find God will find Him and God will make the provision for that person's salvation through His Divine Grace and Mercy.

Now, the real question is: Whom do you say Jesus is since you have had the opportunity to have heard His message?

 

[Starman3000m]

LOL

The answer is: God will save a person who wants to personally know Him and forego the wayward ways of the world. You can love this world or love God. The choice is yours.

 

[Xaquin44]

The Holy Bible speaks that the wonders of the Universe explain the existence of His Creation so that man is without excuse.

ok .... and having never heard of jesus some people attribute these wonders to other gods (or nothing at all) which the bible says is a one way trip to the deep deep south.

 

[Starman3000m]

ok .... and having never heard of jesus some people attribute these wonders to other gods (or nothing at all) which the bible says is a one way trip to the deep deep south.

God individually intercedes through His Holy Spirit to reveal His Truth.

Remember that there were false gods in Old Testament days that people attributed "wonders" to yet God sent Prophets to them with His Message.

It was up to them to place "faith" in their own gods or the True God of Creation.

Also remember that God has an enemy in Satan who will do what he can to deceive people through vain philosophies and false religions that cause people to believe they don't need a saviour and can individually save their own self through just "good works" alone.

 

[Xaquin44]

It was up to them to place "faith" in their own gods or the True God of Creation.

They don't know what that is.

What part do you not understand here?

These people can not put faith in your TRUE GOD OF CREATION, because to them that god does not exist.

Ever tried putting all of your faith into ASDFMNBASNDXCV?

no?

because that random spattering of letters means nothing to you.

 

[Starman3000m]

They don't know what that is.

What part do you not understand here?

These people can not put faith in your TRUE GOD OF CREATION, because to them that god does not exist.

Ever tried putting all of your faith into ASDFMNBASNDXCV?

no?

because that random spattering of letters means nothing to you.

God helps them understand Xaquin. It is through spiritual discernment that He is able to intercede with and give people the awareness of whom He is. Abraham was brought out of a pagan-believing upbringing when God revealed Himself through His Divine Intervention.

This would indicate that it is possible for a person brought up in paganism to lose faith in their pagan god and be directed to the True God of Creation.

God is not willing that anyone should perish, and He will make a provision to reveal Truth in His own way to those who really want to know the Truth.

So, not to worry about those who you feel did not have a chance to hear about Jesus - God has that under His control. The thing to deal with is what you believe and accept to be the Truth about needing a Saviour, knowing God and wanting to know His Truth.