Will Trump be convicted in the senate next week?

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
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But it doesn't go up by 21 million. That - is weird.
Not weird, it was the plan. In the critical battleground states mail-in voting was drastically enhanced. Metropolitan areas could have their numbers boom like never before, they got out the vote by letting them vote from home.

Couple that with lesser restrictions on witness signatures, signature verification, and postmark dates. Some states legislatively made the changes (for 2020 only, why only 2020 is there no chance of needing it in the future should another pandemic hits), others did so by executive department fiat and the courts wouldn't hear any argument against it. And the thing about postmark dates with the state picking up the return postage costs the metro areas use metered mail - guess what doesn't get postmarked?
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I'm not reading the whole tread - so this might have already been covered.

Kenn Starr was on Laura Ingraham last night. He was saying that the Senate cannot impeach DJT, as he is not POTUS, and also because the judgment for cases for impeachment cannot go farther than REMOVAL from Office. He's no longer in office. Can't remove him.

Ken Starr also says that the Chief Justice Roberts will not preside over the "Impeachment" because the only time the Chief Justice presides over an Impeachment is in the trial of a POTUS. Biden is POTUS.

There is no "there" there.

Fast forward to 29:16 to the beginning of the segment right before Laura talks to Ken Starr


 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I am pretty sure that they cannot - and should not - remove Secret Service protection. I don't think there is any legal precedent.
Remember that without Secret Service protection - he is a risk for National Security. They protect HIM, but by doing it for all former Presidents, they do it for US. Despite what they've said in the news - they can't do that.

For a guy who actually donated his Presidential pay each year - the pension isn't relevant. If they yank it from him, it would be petty.

They protect him because he held the Office of POTUS.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I've been following along with Trumps most recent impeachment and I am fascinated to see what will happen in the Senate. What do you guys think?

Today McConell indicated he believed the "mob" was "provoked" by Trump and others.

McConell was recently re-elected for a 6 year term so he has little to loose by trying to whip enough votes to convict Trump.


If Trump is convicted he can no longer run for public office, he will lose his presidential pension and secret service protection.

It appears Mitch blames Trump for losing the House, Presidency and most recently the Senate and giving Democrats total control and now wants to cut ties with the Trump portion of the republican party.


It will be interesting to see if the party spilts and a new viable party emerges or if Trumpism goes the way of the Tea party and peters out.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/mcconnell-impeachment-trump-capitol-riot/index.html

With all due respect - when you post statements such as this - can you also cite your references? For example: the section and article of the US Constitution or the section of the US Code would greatly help.

Stories from CNN or Fox News or blogs without references cited are of no help.

Thanks!
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I read something different. Obviously he isn’t going to be removed. What I read is that since he is now out of office and has those things, some things wouldn’t automatically be lost and it would require a separate vote, but not require a supermajority. I’d be interested to read what you are reading to get a better understanding. Can you cite your source?
With all due respect - for those of us who follow these threads after the actual date they are started - when you are asking someone to cite THEIR source, you should cite yours, since you are referencing what you read/heard.





(For instance, in my first post in this tread, I cited a FOX interview with former US Solicitor General, Ken Starr - who was citing and referencing the US Constitution. )
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Yes, I hadn't posted in a long time until a few weeks ago. Vrai tricked me into coming back to defend my honor!
:nono:

It was kind of like Beetlejuice, wasn't it? We must have said your name 3 times in the same thread?! :biggrin:
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Wow. I did not know that. So while there's not a Constitutional argument, there actually IS precedent, albeit a very old one.
There is at least the distinction of the fact he resigned to avoid impeachment.

I really don't see what it accomplishes. He won't be convicted. But it will drag things out.
Under the administration of someone who claims he wants to unite the nation, they will do something guaranteed to enrage them.

There are actually those on the Hill who think stomping Trump under their foot is necessary to "unite" people, once again proving they don't know what it means.
Ken Starr says that the more relevant case would be the more recent example - and he referred to the resignation of Nixon to avoid Impeachment, where the Democrat-controlled House said NO, they wouldn't/couldn't bring Impeachment on Nixon, as he was gone.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
I've been following along with Trumps most recent impeachment and I am fascinated to see what will happen in the Senate. What do you guys think?

Of course you're fascinated. All you Trump haters are rubbing their palms together in anticipation that this country can erase that part of our history and destroy that man's life. You'd have him impeached for picking his nose and flicking it on the White House lawn.

What do I think? It's the same as the last one; just another opportunity to destroy Trump's life. Not one person has yet to show what words Trump used to incite that violence. Not one person has been able to show one example of a person that was involved in that atrocity that said "Trump told me to do this". Not one person is willing to say that personal responsibility and out-of-control mobs is what perpetuated this. No one on the left wants to talk about where the real violence occurred on inauguration day. Hint - LEFT WING RADICALS: ANTIFA

Yeah, it's fascinating watching you people on the left and your obsession of hate towards anything-Trump. Impeachment is no longer a tool of last resort for removing a president for committing real crimes. It's a weapon to be used against political enemies. Be ready for it to come around to YOU!
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I don't think there's any case at all for incitement. The Capitol was breached while Trump WAS STILL TALKING. I don't find a single remark he made in that rather long address inflammatory. The Dems don't see it that way - ANYTHING that insults them is an egregrious assault they can't tolerate. They may try to make the case that - SOMEHOW - by suggesting the election was stolen (frankly - I do believe it was, but whatever) - that it somehow spontaneously created this movement to invade the Capitol. There's no logic in that, unless remarks on the LEFT could be used to explain Scalise being shot at, or the myriad violent protests over the last few years.

Otherwise it is impossible that a single person who heard him speak could have entered the Capitol.

Even the WaPo was reporting ON JANUARY 12TH that there were very credible threats being investigated by the FBI before the actual rally and EC vote reading.

Nancy Pelosi and her cohorts, minions and deep state republican swamp rats all jumped and rushed to judgment to get back at Trump for the last 4 years. That's the ONLY REASON they brought these Articles of Impeachment. They had NO PROOF of their charges.

They couldn't get back at him any other way. He was bullet-proof and didn't give a sh&t what they said or did to him - and they knew it. This public display of vitriol was for their own benefit.

Once this Impeachment business is said and done -they're going to rue the day they brought all this to bear.

They can't touch private citizen Trump - and they know it! I will sit back and enjoy the schadenfreude of it all. Private Citizen Trump may well be the biggest weapon in the MAGA arsenal, yet.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
They can't touch private citizen Trump - and they know it!

Don't count on it. As far as I understand it, impeachment has been established. Once it's handed to the Senate, they are required to take it up. It's my prediction that, if they get a conviction, they will launch criminal charges against him. These ruthless, hateful democrats won't quit until they see Trump's life (and his family's) completely destroyed.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Don't count on it. As far as I understand it, impeachment has been established. Once it's handed to the Senate, they are required to take it up. It's my prediction that, if they get a conviction, they will launch criminal charges against him. These ruthless, hateful democrats won't quit until they see Trump's life (and his family's) completely destroyed.
Psy, I didn't say the Senate wouldn't take it up. I said I don't think they have a CASE for proving Incitement - they have to prove their case. And the Chief Justice has to preside over this (Kangaroo Court) Impeachment Trial to judge Trump. (will he or won't he preside - is ANOTHER question)

I have no idea what the Senate is going to do. 🤷 We have no idea what they will do once the Impeachment Trial begins (which has been announced as Feb. 8, 2021) OR whether Justice Roberts will preside. That remains to be seen.

However, what I did say was "Once this Impeachment business is said and done -they're going to rue the day they brought all this to bear."

I think they will be sorry they ever opened up that can of worms. :yay:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Psy, I didn't say the Senate wouldn't take it up. I said I don't think they have a CASE for proving Incitement - they have to prove their case. And the Chief Justice has to preside over this (Kangaroo Court) Impeachment Trial to judge Trump. (will he or won't he preside - is ANOTHER question)

I have no idea what the Senate is going to do. 🤷 We have no idea what they will do once the Impeachment Trial begins (which has been announced as Feb. 8, 2021) OR whether Justice Roberts will preside. That remains to be seen.

However, what I did say was "Once this Impeachment business is said and done -they're going to rue the day they brought all this to bear."

I think they will be sorry they ever opened up that can of worms. :yay:

I was simply answering to your claim "They can't touch private citizen Trump". They certain can, and likely will. They are driven by their hatred for the man and won't stop until they see his life completely destroyed.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I was simply answering to your claim "They can't touch private citizen Trump". They certain can, and likely will. They are driven by their hatred for the man and won't stop until they see his life completely destroyed.

I understood what your one little nit-picky point was. To which I will again reply - no they can't. If you're referring to the IMPEACHMENT - I answered that a couple of times in my posts.

AFTER THE IMPEACHMENT IS OVER - - - - Private Citizen TRUMP doesn't care about them or what they say or what they do. He has more money than any of them, and he's not afraid of litigation at all - so they can't touch him. Maybe they'll keep trying - but that isn't going to "get him".
 

easyliving45

Active Member
Even the WaPo was reporting ON JANUARY 12TH that there were very credible threats being investigated by the FBI before the actual rally and EC vote reading.

Nancy Pelosi and her cohorts, minions and deep state republican swamp rats all jumped and rushed to judgment to get back at Trump for the last 4 years. That's the ONLY REASON they brought these Articles of Impeachment. They had NO PROOF of their charges.

They couldn't get back at him any other way. He was bullet-proof and didn't give a sh&t what they said or did to him - and they knew it. This public display of vitriol was for their own benefit.

Once this Impeachment business is said and done -they're going to rue the day they brought all this to bear.

They can't touch private citizen Trump - and they know it! I will sit back and enjoy the schadenfreude of it all. Private Citizen Trump may well be the biggest weapon in the MAGA arsenal, yet.

There is certainly enough evidence that Trump tried to circumvent the law and overturn the election results.

Prior to the election he installed his largest donor Dejoy as the Post master General with the instruction to slow down the mail and to remove ballot drop off locations as he knew most democrats would vote by mail.

After the results of the election were clear he pressured state governments, secretaries of state and governors to over turn the election.( many of these people had voted for him and wanted him to win yet chose to follow the constitution.

After it was clear those pressure campaigns would not work Trump pressured the DOJ to overturn the election and only stopped when they all said they would resign en masse.


Finally when none of the above options work Trump resorted to mob violence spending $2.7 million to help organize the rally that became the deadly attack on the capitol


I don't know what other proof there can be that Trump tried to steal a second term though every possible illegal maneuver and that fortunately the rules and governance of our country stopped him


Below are the sources for all of the claims for people who actually like to educate themselves and learn




Here is Trump trying to convince the Georgia Secretary of State to come up with 11,000 votes ( this is a long read but really shows you Trumps mindset and how these people are gently trying to talk sense in to him despite having voted for him )

"So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break."


Trump Pressed Justice Department to Go Directly to Supreme Court to Overturn Election Results
The former president dropped the efforts to replace the acting attorney general after top DOJ officials agreed to resign en masse in protest if he succeeded,

 

easyliving45

Active Member
Of course you're fascinated. All you Trump haters are rubbing their palms together in anticipation that this country can erase that part of our history and destroy that man's life. You'd have him impeached for picking his nose and flicking it on the White House lawn.

What do I think? It's the same as the last one; just another opportunity to destroy Trump's life. Not one person has yet to show what words Trump used to incite that violence. Not one person has been able to show one example of a person that was involved in that atrocity that said "Trump told me to do this". Not one person is willing to say that personal responsibility and out-of-control mobs is what perpetuated this. No one on the left wants to talk about where the real violence occurred on inauguration day. Hint - LEFT WING RADICALS: ANTIFA

Yeah, it's fascinating watching you people on the left and your obsession of hate towards anything-Trump. Impeachment is no longer a tool of last resort for removing a president for committing real crimes. It's a weapon to be used against political enemies. Be ready for it to come around to YOU!


Can you show your proof in the future when you make those types of statements?

You claim " not one person has said Trump told me to do this"

One of the rioters says different

"Commenting on the events in Washington, she said that she was “basically following my president. I was following what we were called to do”.
“He asked us to fly there. He asked us to be there. So I was doing what he asked us to do,” she added."

Given that dozens of well known Trump supporters with big social media followings ( Q shaman and many others) took pictures and lived streamed the event and publicly identified themselves and are now arrested and have been jailed or had their preliminary hearing what you are saying makes absolutely no sense.

Or are you saying it was Antifa and they all managed to escape detection?

Your earlier claim about facial recognition software was false as was your claiming certain tattoos identified them as Antifa.

I can give you a list of at least 40 Trump supporters who publicly identified themselves had their picture taken and have been arraigned.

Can you do the same with 10 Antifa members?

You posted one earlier and the article you posted he clearly said he had no affiliation with Antifa.


I'd be interested to see where you get your information.

You also claimed no police officers were "stomped" and tried to claim the officer died from unrelated causes at a later time. How you can both claim to "back the blue" then make excuses for the death of innocent officers is a real dichotomy

Do you see a lot of Antifa flags in this photo?



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easyliving45

Active Member
Please post the video of Trump telling anyone to break into the capitol, attack police and assault lawmakers.

I'll wait. :tap:

Below are some of Trumps more violent quotes.

It goes to show you that you are like a frog in boling water.

6 years ago you would have said this sis unacceptable froma president but you slow got used to his rhetoric and some follwed his violent commands
January 23, 2016: At a campaign rally in Iowa, Trump, in describing the loyalty of his supporters, notoriously said, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

February 1, 2016: At a campaign rally in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Trump told the crowd that his security team informed him there may be somebody throwing tomatoes. “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. There won’t be so much of them because the courts agree with us,” he said.

March 9, 2016: A 78-year-old white male Trump supporter punched a Black male protester being escorted out of a Trump campaign rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina. The Trump supporter was recorded on video saying he enjoyed “knocking the hell out of that big mouth” and “Yes, he deserved it. The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” He was arrested and charged with assault a day later, though he attacked the protester directly in front of law enforcement officials.Two days after the assault, Trump said such attacks on protesters were “very, very appropriate” and the kind of action “we need a little bit more of.”

October 18, 2018: At a rally in Montana, Trump celebrated Republican Rep. Greg Gianforte, who body-slammed a reporter in May 2017, telling the crowd, “Any guy who can do a body-slam ... he’s my guy.”
In August, Trump had tweeted “LIBERATE MICHIGAN” after the state instituted a stay-at-home order to combat the pandemic. In response to the FBI’s investigation of the kidnapping plot, Trump demanded that Whitmer thank him

"We won this election, and we won it by a landslide' 'We will stop the steal'

'We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen'

If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'


We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them."T


his is three minutes into his speech and repeats a false claim that Democrats say is the starting point for the incitement charge - not just because he said it on this day but for weeks before.


At an outdoor rally in Washington, DC, Trump turned on Republicans who refused to support his efforts to overturn the election results, calling them weak, and urged Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Electoral College results.
Trump told listeners, “You will never take back our country with weakness.” (Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani also delivered a speech in which he encouraged “trial by combat.”) He encouraged them to head to the Capitol to support objections to certification of the vote.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Below are some of Trumps more violent quotes.
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Your imaginings and interpretations aside... You did not provide evidence of your claim. None of these answers the request.

Again: Please post the video of Trump telling anyone to break into the capitol, attack police and assault lawmakers.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
@easyliving45

There is NO PROOF whatsoever in that long-a$$ post you just posted:
of Trump "inciting a riot"
of Trump "circumventing the election results"

Basically, you are posting opinions.
:rolleyes:
 
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