Yet Another Smoking Ban

[ylexot]

Smoke and ire

The smoking ban, signed by Gov. Bill Owens last week, will apply to all enclosed spaces except casinos, tobacco shops, cigar bars, the smoking lounge at Denver International Airport and private workplaces with no more than three employees. Homes, cars and ranch buildings are exempt.

Some excellent points in this article...

"My problem is, it's the moneyed places where you can still do it," she says, getting nods of agreement on this weekday morning from three regulars, all women. "They supposedly approved this exemption because gambling and smoking are so tied together. Well, aren't smoking and drinking just as linked?"

...a damn good point!

"If smoking is bad for you, outlaw it across the board. What are we trying to say here?" he says, sipping beer from a pewter mug he has brought with him. "If a place of business wants to have smoking, it's none of the government's business."

My sentiments exactly!

"I'm all for it. Smoking has been proven to be bad for you, and they say secondhand smoke is bad as well," says Richard Herrman, a grandfatherly horse rancher who gave up cigarettes 20 years ago with the help of a hypnotist.

"They say secondhand smoke is bad as well"??? So you admit that it's not proven.

 

[ylexot]

To the person who left me the red karma: I'm not a smoker

 

[BuddyLee]

So you admit that it's not proven.

I don't really mind smoke much because I'm almost always around it with parents, friends, school, work, ect.

However, to say that secondhand smoke is not bad for you is just absurd. Upon given the choice of a room with smoke or without smoke, which would you choose to spend your longevity in?

 

[aps45819]

If the politicians were actually concerned about our health and weren't a bunch of money hungy whores, they'd ban the sale and posession of tobacco.

 

[BuddyLee]

If the politicians were actually concerned about our health and weren't a bunch of money hungy whores, they'd ban the sale and posession of tobacco.

...and the sale and posession of gas to the obese.

 

[aps45819]

...and the sale and posession of gas to the obese.

I'm always amazed when someone will drive over from the building next door.

 

[BuddyLee]

I'm always amazed when someone will drive over from the building next door.

You'd be driving too with those thighs constantly rubbing together with every step.

 

[ylexot]

I don't really mind smoke much because I'm almost always around it with parents, friends, school, work, ect.

However, to say that secondhand smoke is not bad for you is just absurd. Upon given the choice of a room with smoke or without smoke, which would you choose to spend your longevity in?

Exposure. It takes X time at Y concentration to be harmful...just like anything else. Oxygen will kill you if you get too much.

 

[BuddyLee]

Exposure. It takes X time at Y concentration to be harmful...just like anything else. Oxygen will kill you if you get too much.

Agreed. Therefore, it is still harmful. So then, if you continue to go into a smoke-filled bar, over time, you could have some health risks.

However, I feel that walking into a bar is almost like asking for a health risk. Whether it be the smoke, alcohol, Brass Rail fights, or shady Ghetto Mills streetwalkers, a bar doesn't scream 'healthy' to me. Putting smoking bans on bars is stupid, I can see it happening in some restaurants but only with owner consent.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If the politicians were actually concerned about our health and weren't a bunch of money hungy whores, they'd ban the sale and posession of tobacco.

And alcohol and marijuana and ... oh but they did that and we all know how successful those efforts were or are.

 

[ylexot]

Agreed. Therefore, it is still harmful. So then, if you continue to go into a smoke-filled bar, over time, you could have some health risks.

However, I feel that walking into a bar is almost like asking for a health risk. Whether it be the smoke, alcohol, Brass Rail fights, or shady Ghetto Mills streetwalkers, a bar doesn't scream 'healthy' to me. Putting smoking bans on bars is stupid, I can see it happening in some restaurants but only with owner consent.

Man goes to the doctor and says, "my elbow hurts when I do this." Doctors says, "don't do that."

 

[BuddyLee]

Man goes to the doctor and says, "my elbow hurts when I do this." Doctors says, "don't do that."

Exactly my point. If people don't like the bar setting then why go to a bar?

 

[aps45819]

Exactly my point. If people don't like the bar setting then why go to a bar?

:shrug: that's where the easy nookie is.

 

[ohstate]

Exactly my point. If people don't like the bar setting then why go to a bar?

I like to see bands - which usually play at bars. I don't go because the smoke makes me incredibly ill. Not long term - immediately. I can't breathe. So the smoking in bars actually keeps me away from them. Smoke doesn't have to be part of the bar setting - it isn't in NYC - and it isn't in Ireland. I think its a tremendous improvement - when fewer than approximately 30% of the people in the US smoke - making the rest of us ill from their nasty disgusting habit.

 

[sinwagon]

I like to see bands - which usually play at bars. I don't go because the smoke makes me incredibly ill. Not long term - immediately. I can't breathe. So the smoking in bars actually keeps me away from them. Smoke doesn't have to be part of the bar setting - it isn't in NYC - and it isn't in Ireland. I think its a tremendous improvement - when fewer than approximately 30% of the people in the US smoke - making the rest of us ill from their nasty disgusting habit.

I smoke but I do sympathize with those who don't and try not to be offensive about my smoking. I am not sure if I would go out with the girls every now and then if I had to leave the bar to smoke. I remember when I quit smoking for 5 years and the only time I would smoke was when I was drinking.

I think we need to worry about other things personally. While I understand the point of non smokers, I would much rather see the age of adulthood raised to 21! With my kid about to turn 18, I really wish I had some control for just a few more years.....

 

[bobbyflatliner]

it will happen

The ban will happen. It will probably proceed to even further degrees. The entire state of california has done it, new york city, and deleware are a few of the places that I have been where it is enforced and it is a fantastic thing.

 

[Geek]

I feel bad for the kids that stink from the parents smoking at home or in the car. No matter how cute and well dressed, they smell bad.

 

[ylexot]

Butts Out: N.J.'s Smoking Ban Takes Effect

This is another one of the usual bans, but there were two things that I found interesting:

Casino industry officials convinced lawmakers a ban would keep gamblers away and cut into profits earned by the casinos and shared by the state.

Apparently, the ban is for the health of the workers, but if the state is making money from it, it's ok to impact the health of the workers. Nice.

The law was passed to cut down on workers' exposure to secondhand smoke, which health officials say claims up to 1,800 lives a year in New Jersey alone.

I'd love to see the studies that back that claim!

 

[vraiblonde]

This is another one of the usual bans, but there were two things that I found interesting:Apparently, the ban is for the health of the workers, but if the state is making money from it, it's ok to impact the health of the workers. Nice.

Geek, busybody control freaks like you piss me off. If my children smell like smoke, it's none of your business. If I have a smoker's hack, that's none of your business either. You worry about yourself - my Mom is in Nebraska and I don't need another one.

Unless, of course, you'd like me to start picking you and your bad habits apart. We can start with your penchant for wanting to Mommy the whole world and boss them around....

There are plenty of places non-smokers can go to not smoke. But they have decided that they not only want free run of the entire country and every building contained therein, but they want the rest of us to accommodate them so they don't have to ever be offended or uncomfortable.

To hell with what offends others or makes THEM uncomfortable - the smoke Nazis want their way and screw everybody else.

 

[SmallTown]

There are plenty of places non-smokers can go to not smoke. But they have decided that they not only want free run of the entire country and every building contained therein, but they want the rest of us to accommodate them so they don't have to ever be offended or uncomfortable.

Would you have the same attitude if we were all smoke-free, and tobacco was a newly introduced product trying to make its way into the public life?

I'm along the lines with an earlier post (maybe aps?) who claims the only reason smoking is such a big deal now is because of the government's profitability on it. They will never ban tobacco as a whole, it just doesn't make financial sense.

Smoker's are cute. I love walking by them in the middle of winter, while they are shaking outside of their office building trying to get that last puff in before they freeze to death. You would think with as much money that smokers spend on tobacco, it would be joyous and painless to smoke