12-Year-Old Boy Charged in Deaths of Mother, Brother

[juggy4805]

Sure, pal - the ghetto is full of successful people.

Yes it is. Successful is different to everyone. A single mother who is taking care of two kids on one income. They may live in the ghetto but both sons go to school and are doing well. That is successfull to me. This image that you portray of the "ghetto" is only a small part. You only read articles and watch the news to base your perception of it. This argument is not white or black. It is arrogant successfull people and people working to be successfull.

 

[vraiblonde]

A single mother who is taking care of two kids on one income. They may live in the ghetto but both sons go to school and are doing well. That is successfull to me.

Yeah, that lady and her kids sound REAL successful to me.

Juggy, people never try to achieve if they're told that they're just as good as people who don't live like animals and use drugs. They want respect without having earned it.

When Pandora referred to "ghetto garbage" she was speaking in general. Yes, there are a few people living in the ghetto that are trying to have decent lives, but not very many. Otherwise it wouldn't be a ghetto, now would it?

 

[vraiblonde]

This argument is not white or black.

That is refreshing and I thank you for that.

 

[juggy4805]

Yeah, that lady and her kids sound REAL successful to me.

Juggy, people never try to achieve if they're told that they're just as good as people who don't live like animals and use drugs. They want respect without having earned it.

When Pandora referred to "ghetto garbage" she was speaking in general. Yes, there are a few people living in the ghetto that are trying to have decent lives, but not very many. Otherwise it wouldn't be a ghetto, now would it?

So you have lived in the ghetto to know so much about it?

 

[vraiblonde]

So you have lived in the ghetto to know so much about it?

A couple of times, yes. Once when I was the child of single alcoholic mother, and again right after I left my husband and my townhome community went Section 8.

I know a little something about people who live in the 'hood.

 

[virgovictoria]

Back to the case at hand, I feel that Jr. has a profound psychiatric problem.

No ADULT in their right mind commits murder - if HE was indeed the one that committed the murders, much less an adolescent.

Usually sociopaths will start with tell tale signs, even. Killing animals, premeditation, glorification to some degree...

The ability to take lives, without protecting your own or for even retaliation (killing an intruder for attacking your loved one while he's leaving and so on), and not having a conscience means that his brain just doesn't function right.

What to do... Given his age, if found *insert appropriate term here*, he goes to "Boys Villiage" until he's 21, where he'll learn lots of new tricks before he's released.

If he gets some mental help, and can be accurately diagnosed, there may be SOME saving grace that he may be a viable citizen...

If he stays medicated, in therapy, accepted by his father, and so on....

Eh....

 

[Pandora]

THAT is a tough call.

Even if he is later medicated and gains somewhat “normal” mental function to live life, he still has to live with the reality that when he wasn’t medicated he killed his own mother and brother.

You would think that a person wouldn’t be able to break the reality of knowing that and then there is the loved ones, how hard it must be to accept that he did such a thing.

In this case, I wonder if the responsibility of having to care for a younger sibling coupled with the fact that his mother was often absent was a contributing cause to his mental breakdown.

You know that mental problems don't just appear in adults. They were present or developed in childhood.

 

[vraiblonde]

He needs an evaluation from someone other than a jailhouse shrink. Those guys are idiots and not qualified to analyze a gerbil.

 

[virgovictoria]

He needs an evaluation from someone other than a jailhouse shrink. Those guys are idiots and not qualified to analyze a gerbil.

:cattleprod:

 

[MMDad]

He needs an evaluation from someone other than a jailhouse shrink. Those guys are idiots and not qualified to analyze a gerbil.

You are right, but it sounds like even a jail house shrink would have been better than anything he got before he killed two people.

 

[LexiGirl75]

If you have something and others around you have nothing, what do you think will happen? Will you stick around, obviously not since you moved away yourself.

Still irrational.

You usually can obtain a decent idea if you look around.

I wasn't speaking to this story, only to jugansta.

BL, I know you were addressing juggy but I just wanted to comment about the irrational to stay in the hood. You never know what a person's plans are. I am very grateful I was able to get out without incident. Not that I had a troubled life but just that I wanted to buy a house and my homeownership dream came to past.

Actually, I didn't only move away because of the crime in DC. I moved here to buy a house because I couldn't afford to buy anything worth buying in DC as houses that Frederick Douglass could have been born in were going for $150K.

Everyone can not move as soon as trouble hits. That is what I was saying. Just because someone chooses to stay in a bad neighborhood does not mean they have no plans of leaving.

I don't know anyone who can just jump up and leave unless they move in with family, have equity in a home, or just ka-ching in the bank. Which the majority of good people in the hood probably don't. I know I didn't have any of that.

What I did have was good credit, job and payment history and enough saved up to buy a house with the help of a first time homebuyers program. I didn't just jump up and leave after being approved for a loan. It took me year of researching A LOT of properties before I decided on one.

It was hard to go see all of these houses and come back home to an apartment in the hood. There were ones I was like I WANT THIS ONE and knew d*mn well I didn't really want it. At the end of the day I realized I wasn't in that kind of hurry because I would have years in the house I buy.

 

[LexiGirl75]

Call it what it is.

Are the people in this news story black or something? Is that why everyone is so sensitive about calling them ghetto garbage? Lexi typically doesn't give a #### about whities, but she gets hypersensitive if you call any black person (especially one that slaughters their mother and brother) anything other than "social victim" and "potential upstanding citizen".

Awww stop looking for a fight. Because that's not true. I care about everyone equally and I never said anything about that boy being a social victim. I said he was messed up in the head and should've gotten help long before this happened. My concern was with who the mom and her children were and why they were referred to as ghetto garbage. A dysfunctional family okay, ghetto garbage, why?

Secondly, I never said anything in my statement about a black anyone. I just basically said why does a single mom and her two sons gotta be considered ghetto garbage just because mom or dad wasn't a prominent figure in the community and known by all. In that case many of us on here are ghetto garbage and God forbid we ever find ourselves in an unfortunate situation because that would confirm that we were'nt nothing but GG to begin with.

 

[Pandora]

He needs an evaluation from someone other than a jailhouse shrink. Those guys are idiots and not qualified to analyze a gerbil.

I will agree with that. The jails commonly releases people back into society based on a recommendation to get treatment and dump them off under the supervision of a parole officer who has just basic training in mental illness. I have often wondered why they didn’t provide that while they had them.

BUT... I know that answer....

First, they do an evaluation to determine a history then they are suppose to create a plan on how they intend to provide that treatment. BUT, if it is above and beyond their scope they just sit in jail, too many people to spend intensive one on one time with a patient.

Then once they are out, you are left with an evaluation that was done a year ago, 5 years ago, 20 years ago. Would you consider that in determining the course of treatment for a client?

Hell no...

So there they are, sitting out in society, no money, needing a mental evaluation and treatment and you have to go thru a process that is time consuming to get that approved and just HOPE they don't do anything stupid in the meantime.

 

[LexiGirl75]

So your son beats people to death?

Do tell.

You always looking for something. Familial status is the only way I compared us. Never said I have walked in her shoes or share the same problems.

 

[vraiblonde]

You always looking for something. Familial status is the only way I compared us. Never said I have walked in her shoes or share the same problems.

You are obviously ESL. I would practice a little more if I were you.

That woman is me. I am a single working mother of two sons ages 7 and 12 who is taking care of my family the best that I can. I don't live in the best of places and I certainly didn't move from one. In no way am I ghetto garbage so what makes her different from me?

 

[LexiGirl75]

Yeah, that lady and her kids sound REAL successful to me.

Juggy, people never try to achieve if they're told that they're just as good as people who don't live like animals and use drugs. They want respect without having earned it.

When Pandora referred to "ghetto garbage" she was speaking in general. Yes, there are a few people living in the ghetto that are trying to have decent lives, but not very many. Otherwise it wouldn't be a ghetto, now would it?

I agree with the earning respect part. And thank you for acknowledging that there are people living in the ghetto who aren't garbage.

I think you can understand what it's like to beat the odds of succumbing to the hood. It's a fight. So you can't judge people the same as you would someone who was more privileged. The struggle is just not the same. This is not to say that we should have a pity-party for them but we don't have to put who are trying in the category as crack-heads, druggies, and gang-bangers.

The fact that she didn't have any background info on the story makes her statement a little more understandable.

 

[LexiGirl75]

That is refreshing and I thank you for that.

:nudgingvrai: I said the same thing too. Can I get some love too?

 

[Pandora]

I don't have pent up aggressions. They're all out in the open.

That is a good thing. At least we will not read about you in the headlines.

 

[vraiblonde]

I think you can understand what it's like to beat the odds of succumbing to the hood. It's a fight.

It's not a fight - it's a decision you make to not live like this for the rest of your life. So you work hard - show up to your job every single day and make yourself MVP. Don't do drugs. Don't spend your non-existent cash on beer.

Steve can tell you his story, but he grew up in a Philly 'hood and got out by joining the military.

I know far too many people (many on this forum) who grew up with nothing and worked their butts off to make a life for themselves. It's insulting when you pooh-pooh their hard work and good choices, pretending it's just "luck". THAT is why I can barely read your posts without wanting to rip you a new one.

There are ways, and it's not that difficult. It's about making good choices and working hard. THAT is how people become successful.

 

[LexiGirl75]

You are obviously ESL. I would practice a little more if I were you.

No, I am just me. I don't have to conform to anyone else's thought process on how I speak or write when I am not in a professional or formal setting.