12-Year-Old Boy Charged in Deaths of Mother, Brother

virgovictoria

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MMDad said:
You are right, but it sounds like even a jail house shrink would have been better than anything he got before he killed two people.

Along the same lines, however, take a poll asking how many forum members would agree to an increase in taxes to support medical programs for welfare recipients and/or underpriviledged children that include higher quality psychiatric services and therapy... :bubble:
 

LexiGirl75

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vraiblonde said:
You are obviously ESL. I would practice a little more if I were you.

And YES as for her family-make up. Single mom (me) Two sons (me) Ages around the same, hers 9 & 12 (mine 7 & 12) Works to take care of her childre (so do I).

I just asked what makes her ghetto garbage. No family is perfect, and out of all of the issues surrounding the ghetto her small family of what we know from this situation doesn't seem like garbage.
 

LexiGirl75

100% Goapele Head!
vraiblonde said:
It's not a fight - it's a decision you make to not live like this for the rest of your life. So you work hard - show up to your job every single day and make yourself MVP. Don't do drugs. Don't spend your non-existent cash on beer.

Steve can tell you his story, but he grew up in a Philly 'hood and got out by joining the military.

I know far too many people (many on this forum) who grew up with nothing and worked their butts off to make a life for themselves. It's insulting when you pooh-pooh their hard work and good choices, pretending it's just "luck". THAT is why I can barely read your posts without wanting to rip you a new one Woman please no one said you had to read my post, you do so because you enjoy them :razz:.
There are ways, and it's not that difficult. It's about making good choices and working hard. THAT is how people become successful.

Those are not the people I am saying were privileged. :rolleyes: Anyone who had to make a decision to not fall into the trap or remain comfortable in the hood fought the odds so it's not just a decision.

There are miserable people in the ghetto wanting to pull you down all the time. They don't want you to be a success. They don't make it easy, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You press on and do what you have to do in order to get out. It does not happen overnight and some days you may feel like what's the point (one step further two steps back) but you continue the fight.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
virgovictoria said:
Along the same lines, however, take a poll asking how many forum members would agree to an increase in taxes to support medical programs for welfare recipients and/or underpriviledged children that include higher quality psychiatric services and therapy... :bubble:
Since we already pay for care that should be provided to welfare recipients and isn't, I have no problem with them being provided adequate care.

What makes you think this child was a welfare case? His Mom worked, he had a father who he was going to go live with, how do you know he didn't have insurance? Are you assuming he was a welfare case because of where he lived?
 

morganj614

New Member
LexiGirl75 said:
Those are not the people I am saying were privileged. :rolleyes: Anyone who had to make a decision to not fall into the trap or remain comfortable in the hood fought the odds so it's not just a decision.

There are miserable people in the ghetto wanting to pull you down all the time. They don't want you to be a success. They don't make it easy, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You press on and do what you have to do in order to get out. It does not happen overnight and some days you may feel like what's the point (one step further two steps back) but you continue the fight.

Oh Lexi, you have some splainin' to do. Who are "they?"
 

virgovictoria

Tight Pants and Lipstick
PREMO Member
MMDad said:
Since we already pay for care that should be provided to welfare recipients and isn't, I have no problem with them being provided adequate care.

What makes you think this child was a welfare case? His Mom worked, he had a father who he was going to go live with, how do you know he didn't have insurance? Are you assuming he was a welfare case because of where he lived?

I assumed that he is underpriviledged as his mother was working two jobs and he was often unattended to. And, that he lived in a bad neighborhood. Which, if you haven't noticed, is the uproar over the term ghetto and ghetto garbage. So, I am assuming that he hasn't been ROLLING in adequate attention, either emotionally or physically (place/time) or he wouldn't be accused for the brutal murder of his mother and brother...
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
virgovictoria said:
I assumed that he is underpriviledged as his mother was working two jobs and he was often unattended to. And, that he lived in a bad neighborhood. Which, if you haven't noticed, is the uproar over the term ghetto and ghetto garbage. So, I am assuming that he hasn't been ROLLING in adequate attention, either emotionally or physically (place/time) or he wouldn't be accused for the brutal murder of his mother and brother...
I knew what you meant. I was just being a smartazz, which is unusual for me.
 

morganj614

New Member
LexiGirl75 said:
Ghetto garbage? :shrug:

How do "they" prevent "you" from moving on up? "They" just sell the drugs, guns and promote the gangs. It's your choice to buy into it or to raise your kids otherwise. :shrug:
 
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LexiGirl75

100% Goapele Head!
morganj614 said:
How do "they" prevent "you" from moving on up? "They" just sell the drugs, guns and promote the gangs. It's your choice to buy into it and to raise your kids otherwise. :shrug:

They do things like trying to steal your car, keeping you awake all times of night by shooting or just being loud. They make you feel embarrassed about where you live because when you invite guests over the guests are scared. Your children can't play safely outside, can barely take the trash out, can't go to the ice cream truck. It's the cough of ghettoitis. Gotta fight it because they want to infect you.

And then if they are all sitting on the steps they act like they don't want to move. Roll their eyes and they have no regard for beautification so they throw trash all over the yards, halls. It's awful. It makes you stronger but it messes with your spirit too.
 

LexiGirl75

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Also, they try to start stuff with you out of jealousy. Don't let their man show you any ounce of attention like getting up from the step he was sitting on by her and opening the door for you when he see you have a lot of bags. She then sets out to treat you more mean. Talks loudly about you when you walk away. Just stuff like that. If the postman delivers your mail to them by accident they open it and then bring it down to you and say that it was accidentally delivered to them. It's just a lot of stuff.
 

Pandora

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Just like I'd vision living in the same complex with some forum members. :lmao:

Cause they don't have any manners. :ohwell:
 

LexiGirl75

100% Goapele Head!
LexiGirl75 said:
Also, they try to start stuff with you out of jealousy. Don't let their man show you any ounce of attention like getting up from the step he was sitting on by her and opening the door for you when he see you have a lot of bags. She then sets out to treat you more mean. Talks loudly about you when you walk away. Just stuff like that. If the postman delivers your mail to them by accident they open it and then bring it down to you and say that it was accidentally delivered to them. It's just a lot of stuff.

Sometimes you can be late getting to work if your street is on lock down by the police, ambulance or fire dept which happens a lot in the hood. I got caught about three times because the fire truck blocked me in and once I couldn't even get into my street because there was a double shooting and they taped it off.
 

BuddyLee

Football addict
LexiGirl75 said:
BL, I know you were addressing juggy but I just wanted to comment about the irrational to stay in the hood. You never know what a person's plans are. I am very grateful I was able to get out without incident. Not that I had a troubled life but just that I wanted to buy a house and my homeownership dream came to past.

Actually, I didn't only move away because of the crime in DC. I moved here to buy a house because I couldn't afford to buy anything worth buying in DC as houses that Frederick Douglass could have been born in were going for $150K.

Everyone can not move as soon as trouble hits. That is what I was saying. Just because someone chooses to stay in a bad neighborhood does not mean they have no plans of leaving.

I don't know anyone who can just jump up and leave unless they move in with family, have equity in a home, or just ka-ching in the bank. Which the majority of good people in the hood probably don't. I know I didn't have any of that.

What I did have was good credit, job and payment history and enough saved up to buy a house with the help of a first time homebuyers program. I didn't just jump up and leave after being approved for a loan. It took me year of researching A LOT of properties before I decided on one.

It was hard to go see all of these houses and come back home to an apartment in the hood. There were ones I was like I WANT THIS ONE and knew d*mn well I didn't really want it. At the end of the day I realized I wasn't in that kind of hurry because I would have years in the house I buy.
Thanks for the delightful comment but it still doesn't fit into my context.

You're referring to those who have no other option but to live in the "ghetto". I'm referring to those who are well-to-do, why would they live in the ghetto? Is that a rational thing to do, I don't think so.
 

vraiblonde

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LexiGirl75 said:
No, I am just me. I don't have to conform to anyone else's thought process on how I speak or write when I am not in a professional or formal setting.
Then you will suffer the consequences of people thinking you're and idiot who says something, then turns around and insists you didn't say it, even though it's right there in print for the whole world to see.

[edited for RR] :lol:
 
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vraiblonde

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LexiGirl75 said:
There are miserable people in the ghetto wanting to pull you down all the time.
Wake up and smell the sheets, Lexi. There are people in upper middle class neighborhoods who want to pull you down (and put their foot on your throat). You'll have bosses, jealous co-workers, people you thought were your friends, men you date - when you stick your head out over the crowd, you become a target. It's NO different in the ghetto than it is anywhere else, except the ghetto folks might shoot you for good measure.

YOU CHOOSE what you will and will not accept.

When my townhouse community went Section 8 and suddenly there were drug busts, fights and shootings every night, I moved. It was literally that simple. I found a little house that was only $100 more than the townhouse, hooked up with a girlfriend to share it with me and I moved.

It was that simple.

Did I like having a roommate? Well, yes, actually I did - she was pretty awesome and we're still close to this day. But I have another friend who can't get her #### together, owes money to everyone in the world and will NEVER get out of it unless she makes some changes. But "she can't" - she doesn't want a roommate, doesn't want a smaller car, doesn't want to get a job closer so she doesn't have that commute plus parking, doesn't, doesn't, doesn't, can't, can't, can't.

So I don't feel sorry for her, you or anyone else. You make your choices and you make your life. Or you sit on your sorry ass and make excuses.
 

sinwagon

New Member
Ok, hopefully I can say this quickly but I tend to get on rants this late at night eh errr early in the morning.

It doesn't have to do with where you live, meaning the neighborhood, it has to do with HOW you live. There are some people who simply cant afford more. Some may say get a better paying job. At times they cant, yes there are some who won't but some truly can not. Yes at times it is their fault due to past mistakes whether it be dropping out of school, teenage pregnancy or whatever the case may be. Yes that is their fault, however other than maybe getting a GED and lets face it a high school education does not take you very far these days, they can not do anything about their past mistakes all they can do is move forward. One of my favorite sayings to a screw up in my family who gets ALL the attention for doing the wrong things while I am overlooked for doing the right things is:

THAT WAS YOUR PAST YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR FUTURE!

Now, I grew up poor. I lived in a trailer park in Lothian with my grandmother. I never realized it was a "bad thing" until I got older and others informed me it was. I then moved with my mom at the age of 14. She lived in Mitchellville, now labeled Upper Marlboro. The community is Lake Arbor. Now the people in that neighborhood right on the outskirts of the hood, ghetto whatever you want to call it were not ghetto. Most of them were black. We lived in the townhouses, most of the black people lived in the big houses. They were nice people. Going to Largo High School was no easy task for a white kid from the sticks so I went to a vocational school instead. You have good and bad wherever you go and when something goes wrong, you can't always blame the neighborhood, that is a cop out for the people who are really to blame. Not the neighborhood, but the neighbors who saw these issues, the mother who knew there were problems and the father that lived so far away his impact was not felt by this kid.

Let look at other situations. We have the Menendez (spell?) brothers, rich well to do boys definately not in a ghetto, killed their parents. We have the Colombine shooters, I believe all white and certainly not from a ghetto. Something just goes wrong sometimes that we can not explain. We as parents are not always guilty of the loose screw but we are guilty of not paying attention, not recognizing the signs and then when we see the signs, not doing anything about it.

When I got married, at 19 to a man who was 23 (my husband) already with a 3 year old child, I was dirt poor! I had my daughter at almost 21. Those were MY choices. Do I want my kids to make the same choices NO! I want them to stay at home as long as they can and wait as long as they can. When married, that "trailer" I grew up in and which was created the year I was born, was passed down to me. It was a dump! I didn't see that though until others pointed it out to me. That was the only time I felt that I was "white trailer park trash" was when others commented. When I was in my trailer, I did not even realize it was a trailer. I became envious of what others had at times until one day I said "I have to stop wanting what others have and be greatful for what I do have, my kids are warm, have a roof over their heads (although at times it leaked) and they are healthy and safe. My kids recognized the difference because it had become socially unacceptable for good, decent people to live in a trailer. I was a nanny in big rich houses, they came with me because I could not afford a "real" job and pay daycare too. Combined me and hubby probably made $25,000 a year. It was a stepping stone in life. I knew I would not be there forever although the 10 years I was, felt like forever at times. But then at times, I find myself when paying a whopping mortgage wishing things were simpler again and all I had to pay was $465 a month in lot rent!

I think life, home, happiness is created by you the individual. Life is what you make of it. If you live in an area and you think of it as a ghetto, then to you it will be a ghetto. I think regardless of where or what you live in, you should take pride in it and should teach your children to be proud of where they live and not to fault others for having less. Now my cousin lives in my old trailer. She may be there forever. Where my kids always referred to it as a house, her kids refer to it as a trailer and call others trailer trash and feel that way themselves. Why? because they have heard it and they now will become a product of their environment.

Whether you are a stock broker on wall street or a single mother working at Mc Donalds, we all want more for our kids and if you are working...YOU ARE WORKING. It doesn't matter where as long as you are doing the absolute best that you can at that given moment. Things may change later on and you may do better or things could change for the worst, however they change as long as you don't give up, then you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Regardless of where these people lived, this was a tradgedy. Why the mother didn't do something sooner, I don't know. Maybe because if she had turned to the police or the juvenile system they would have seen her son as another "ghetto hood rat" and placed him somewhere just to get rid of him until he was 18 and then they would release him to commit more crimes only to throw away the key. Lets face it, if we are looking at them that way, how do you think the law enforcement agencies and the politicians are looking at them? We need to stop looking at where they came from and look at the facts, this was a child. Another child was killed and a mother was killed. Doesn't matter where they came from.

Ok, enough....I told you I go on forever. I don't want to appear high and mighty like I never refer to people as "ghetto" or "Trailer trash" I do. Some people just are! They could be driving a BMW that cuts me off on route 4 and I just may call them a piece of trash!

My last Jerry Springer thought of the day, I heard this somewhere and I am not sure if I have it exact but here goes When your time comes and you are standing before God, you will not be judged based on the size of your house, the size of your bank account or the car that you drove, your judgement will be passed based on whether you made the difference in the life of a child.
 
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