Absolute Truth

[foodcritic]

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Do you think any of them were sent to hell by God and, if so, why?

HOW IS THAT RELEVANT HERE?

Specifically, when morals and virtue were taught, did people still do things that qualified them for hell?

DOING "THINGS" DOES NOT QUALIFY US FOR HELL, REJECTING CHIRST IS WHAT QUALIFIES US FOR HELL...

Even more specifically, did enslaving another human being doom a person to hell? Why or why not?

IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLE USE OF THE WORD SLAVE THAT IS MORE COMPLICATED. THE BIBLE OFTEN USES THE WORD SLAVE. FOR TIME IMMORTAL NATIONS HAVE 'ENSLAVED' OTHER PEOPLES. OFTEN TIME THIS WORD IS INTERCHANGABLE WITH A WORKER. MANY BOOKS IN THE BIBLE GIVE US A LOOK BACK IN TO THE PAST...DONT CONFUSE THAT WITH GOD'S SANCTIONING SLAVERY OR MISTREATING PEOPLE. THAT JUST BECOMES A PERVISION OF THE BIBLE.

If not, what do virtue-less and immoral people do today that is worse than owning another human being?
AGAIN YOU EQUATE SOME SIN AS BEING WORSE THAN OTHERS.. A COMMON NOTION BTW. THIS JUST IS NOT TRUE. THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT "ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD" RO 3:23

If it is an absolute truth that things were better spiritually and morally back in the day, can you see how objections might be raised in comparing today as worse and on what basis?

I AM NOT SAYING THAT THINGS WERE BETTER BACK IN THE DAY. THE WORLD RUNS THRU CYCLES I THINK. IN OUR AMERICAN CYCLE WE WILL DECLINE BECAUSE WE WILL CONTINUE TO REJECT GOD'S IDEALS. THE BIBLE IS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS A FAIRLY WELL DOCUMENTED TRUTH BASED ON THE QUOTES OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS. THEY WERE NOT PERFECT THEY REALIZED THE SINFUL NATURE OF MAN AND ASSUMED THAT THE CHRISTIAN ETHIC AND OUR FORM OF GOVERMENT WOULD WORK THE BEST. THAT WAS THE BEAUTY OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS THEY NEW HUMAN NATURE BETTER THAN WE DO TODAY. REMOVE THE CHRISTIAN ETHIC AND WE ARE LEFT WITH A GOVERMENT SOLUTION TO CONTROL PEOPLES BEHAVIOUR. THIS WILL NEVER WORK AND WILL CONTINUE TO BECOME A HEAVY HANDED MASTER SLOWLY REMOVING FREEDOM FOR THE GOOD OF THE POPULACE. IT WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GET WORSE....

Lastly, the Bible, as I understand it, accepts slavery. Doesn't that mean that either God approves of slavery or, if He does not, doesn't that mean the Bible is mans interpretation of His word and, thus, virtue and morality based on mans interpretation can not be absolute truth?

REFER TO PREVIOUS COMMENT

 

[JPC sr]

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Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary defines truth this way:

TRUTH, n.

1. Conformity to fact or reality; exact accordance with that which is, or has been, or shall be. The truth of history constitutes its whole value. We rely on the truth of the scriptural prophecies.

12. Jesus Christ is called the truth. John 14.

To do truth, is to practice what God commands. John 3.

What is being pressed is the adjective or qualifier that is given attached to the truth as in "absolute" truth, because the quest for "absolute truth" is in wanting some thing more - more than truth.

There is truth but there is no "absolute truth" because even God has limitations.

The term of "absolute truth" does not exist in the Bible and it comes from people that demand some extra truth and they will never get it because it does not exist.

 

[foodcritic]

I tend to agree with you... The word absolute truth does not appear in the Bible. Truth is what the Bible says it is and is well defined by Webster in his dictionary.

However suggesting that God has limitations is not founded in Bible study. I would suggest some Bible ref. if you want to make that kind of statement. God by his very definition is limitless.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

I tend to agree with you... The word absolute truth does not appear in the Bible. Truth is what the Bible says it is and is well defined by Webster in his dictionary.

However suggesting that God has limitations is not founded in Bible study. I would suggest some Bible ref. if you want to make that kind of statement. God by his very definition is limitless.

I did point out that God cannot lie, and that goes on to the point that God can not sin at all link HERE.

And there are references to God said He would NEVER destroy the world again by natural events link HERE as He did in the flood.

So these are limitations.

 

[Roughidle]

Implying that his choice to not do something indicates limitation, just doesn't fly. It only illustrates your human limitation in the understanding of a greater power and it's will.

 

[foodcritic]

wrong definitions

I did point out that God cannot lie, and that goes on to the point that God can not sin at all link HERE.

And there are references to God said He would NEVER destroy the world again by natural events link HERE as He did in the flood.

So these are limitations.

What you are saying then (if I understand correctly) is that Gods' promise to not do something is a limitation on his power? Or that God can't sin and somehow that gives him a limitation? These types of silly statements mislead people. We all know what we mean when we say God has no limitations. It's not that God can't do any of things you suggest, he can. He chooses not to. Thats the difference. And thus allows God to be limitless in his power even if he chooses not to do something.

And BTW I think the verse you cited about God never destroying the world again by natural causes is a poor translation rather the Bible states that God would not destoy the world by flood/water.

 

[Marie]

I did point out that God cannot lie, and that goes on to the point that God can not sin at all link HERE.

And there are references to God said He would NEVER destroy the world again by natural events link HERE as He did in the flood.

So these are limitations.

That would be incorrect! God promised he would never destroy the earth by flood again.

 

[Xaquin44]

thats what he said ....

 

[JPC sr]

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Implying that his choice to not do something indicates limitation, just doesn't fly. It only illustrates your human limitation in the understanding of a greater power and it's will.

What you are saying then (if I understand correctly) is that Gods' promise to not do something is a limitation on his power? Or that God can't sin and somehow that gives him a limitation? These types of silly statements mislead people. We all know what we mean when we say God has no limitations. It's not that God can't do any of things you suggest, he can. He chooses not to. Thats the difference. And thus allows God to be limitless in his power even if he chooses not to do something.

When God says He will or will not do some thing then that is the limits and it is our limits and it is God's limits.

That is one of the points in calling God's spokesman the "word" link HERE and HERE.

God's word sets the limits and God's word is His bond, and that makes His limits as the truth, and it could be called "absolute truths" because that is it.

Claiming that God could chose to do something but chooses not to do it is just trying to go beyond the truth.

The Bible tells us people to do the same things, by following the commandments then we become trustworthy because we stay within the limits and by making such boundaries into personal boundaries (limitations) then our own will-power becomes stronger and stronger.

I see it like the police make the speed limit 55 mph and that is the limit (not the minimum) but people push the limits and go 60-75mph because undisciplined people violate boundaries and exceed the limits, and so they expect God to do the same - or for them to do the same to God's limits, and thus they seek their concept of an "absolute truth" because they reject the simple truth given.

God has limitations because boundaries are for the strong and God is powerful.

Breaking limits and violating boundaries are for the weak and the immature.

 

[JPC sr]

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That would be incorrect! God promised he would never destroy the earth by flood again.

The full Bible text can be seen in this link HERE and it says:

Genesis 8:21, KJV: And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Genesis 8:22, KJV: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So God said He will never use a natural disaster to destroy the world again.

 

[Giantone]

Breaking limits and violating boundaries are for the weak and the immature.

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Just like violating child support rulings and laws and breaking you marrage vows.SO................

JPC= weak and immature!

 

[foodcritic]

what?

The full Bible text can be seen in this link HERE and it says:

Genesis 8:21, KJV: And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Genesis 8:22, KJV: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

So God said He will never use a natural disaster to destroy the world again.

You are out of context with your verse citations. The earth is corrupt, it is the result of the fall. And yes God will destroy the earth (and many people) read Revelation. A "New" earth will be revealed.

 

[PsyOps]

What is being pressed is the adjective or qualifier that is given attached to the truth as in "absolute" truth, because the quest for "absolute truth" is in wanting some thing more - more than truth.

There is truth but there is no "absolute truth" because even God has limitations.

The term of "absolute truth" does not exist in the Bible and it comes from people that demand some extra truth and they will never get it because it does not exist.

So I guess you changed your mind from when you wrote this:

Some hard truths are absolute but most truths are not.

And this:

Most times it is harmless when a person's believed truths are wrong or mistakes but when the incorrect truths are put into action then there becomes problems.

I like that one: "Incorrect truths". What is that exactly, anyway? :shrug:

 

[PsyOps]

You are out of context with your verse citations. The earth is corrupt, it is the result of the fall. And yes God will destroy the earth (and many people) read Revelation. A "New" earth will be revealed.

Don't bother. JPC believes the Book of Revelation is a fraud.

It is very true that "Revelations" does not have much credibility.

It is not the words of Jesus but claims to be Jesus speaking to a "John" and that John pretends to be the Apostle when it is really a "John the Diviner" and not John the Apostle and this so-called Jesus Reveletions is a far cry from what Jesus said in the Gospels.

 

[Kain99]

Don't bother. JPC believes the Book of Revelation is a fraud.

I've always hated the book of Revelations but thats because I don't understand it.

 

[PsyOps]

I did point out that God cannot lie, and that goes on to the point that God can not sin at all link HERE.

And there are references to God said He would NEVER destroy the world again by natural events link HERE as He did in the flood.

So these are limitations.

There are some things, by their very nature, that just are. God, by His very nature, is without sin. That is not a limitation. That is just the way it is. Just like a tree can not be a dog. That is not a limitation of a tree, it just is what it is.

 

[PsyOps]

I've always hated the book of Revelations but thats because I don't understand it.

I don't hate the book, but I sure struggle to understand it too.

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

You are out of context with your verse citations. The earth is corrupt, it is the result of the fall. And yes God will destroy the earth (and many people) read Revelation. A "New" earth will be revealed.

The point was that God will not use natural events like wind or rain or cold or heat.

In Revelations where it says a third of the earth is destroyed by fire then it is thought to be by unnatural events like wars or nuclear explosions.

 

[Marie]

thats what he said ....

I read Nautral events that could be anything. thats more than just a flood.

 

[Marie]

You are out of context with your verse citations. The earth is corrupt, it is the result of the fall. And yes God will destroy the earth (and many people) read Revelation. A "New" earth will be revealed.

Nothing new for JPC he's the king of twisted scripture, it could be a sunny day and he tell you how bad the rain is. His logic is like well if its sunny here it has to be raining somewhere???



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