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[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

But the big verse you refuse to acknowledge is:

Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God… John 3:18​

YOU MUST BELIEVE!

No, I did not miss it, you are wrongly interpreting that verse.

It says that one is "already been condemned" and that means now in this lifetime, not after death in some mystical hell.

In this lifetime we all reap whatsoever we sow, link HERE, we get it now in this world.

Orthodoxy claims that God's condemnation last forever because you are leaving out the gift of Christ - forgiveness to sinners.

No one has to chose or accept anything as God's love is completely unconditional.

 

[PsyOps]

No, I did not miss it, you are wrongly interpreting that verse.

It says that one is "already been condemned" and that means now in this lifetime, not after death in some mystical hell.

In this lifetime we all reap whatsoever we sow, link HERE, we get it now in this world.

Orthodoxy claims that God's condemnation last forever because you are leaving out the gift of Christ - forgiveness to sinners.

No one has to chose or accept anything as God's love is completely unconditional.

And you left out those whose names are not in the book of life.

I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven... Matthew 5:20

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, (then) I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me... Revelation 3:20

But the righteousness that comes from faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will go up into heaven?' or 'Who will go down into the abyss?' But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved... Romans 10:6-10

In other words JPC, if you do not confess that Jesus is Lord, you will not be saved.

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him... John 3:36

You're just not getting it and manipulating the bible for your own false purposes.

So............ Whatever............ I'm done with you.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

And you left out those whose names are not in the book of life.

In other words JPC, if you do not confess that Jesus is Lord, you will not be saved.

You're just not getting it and manipulating the bible for your own false purposes.

So............ Whatever............ I'm done with you.

You are just mixing up now in this present world - claiming it applies after death.

Being "saved" or even "salvation" is like falling off a ship and then being saved from drowning and then back on the ship the danger still is all around.

People in this world need saved from corruption and pervertion and from confusion, ignorance, violence, and that is the message Jesus taught, to get saved now in this world from this world and not after death.

The Judgement Day is not about salvation or condemnation but about new birth and new beginnings and more challenges and not an easy street.

 

[Marie]

You are just mixing up now in this present world - claiming it applies after death.

Being "saved" or even "salvation" is like falling off a ship and then being saved from drowning and then back on the ship the danger still is all around.

People in this world need saved from corruption and pervertion and from confusion, ignorance, violence, and that is the message Jesus taught, to get saved now in this world from this world and not after death.

The Judgement Day is not about salvation or condemnation but about new birth and new beginnings and more challenges and not an easy street.

<CENTER>This is what Christianity teaches about Judgement. Notice how many others in here quoted the same verses!

Taken from The Westminster Confession of Faith

Of the Last Judgment.

</CENTER>I. God hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world in righteousness by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged; but likewise all persons, that have lived upon earth, shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.
1. Acts 17:31
2. John 5:22, 27
3. Jude 1:6; II Peter 2:4
4. II Cor. 5:10; Eccl. 12:14; Rom. 2:16; 14:10, 12; Matt. 12:36-37



II. The end of God's appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice in the damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient. For then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and refreshing which shall come from the presence of the Lord: but the wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

5. Matt. 25:21, 31-46; Rom. 2:5-6; 9:22-23; Acts 3:19; II Thess. 1:7-10; Mark 9:48

THESE sections teach --
1. That God has appointed a day of general judgment.
2. That he has committed this judgment into the hands of the God-man in his character as Mediator.
3. That the persons to be judged include apostate angels and the whole human race, good and bad.
4. That these persons are to be judged as to all their thoughts, words, and deeds.
5. That the great end of God in the appointment of this day is the manifestation of his glorious justice in the condemnation of the reprobate, and of his glorious grace in the glorification of believers.
6. That the righteous are to be awarded admission to the presence of the Lord, which is to be consciously enjoyed by them in a state of unending holiness, happiness, and honour.
7. That the reprobate are to be awarded a place with the devil and his angels, to be endured with conscious torment and shame through a ceaseless eternity.

III. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity: so will he have that day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come; and may be ever prepared to say, Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly. Amen.

6. II Peter 3:11, 14; II Cor. 5:10-11; II Thess. 1:5-7; Luke 21:27-28; Rom. 8:22-25
7. Matt. 24:36, 42-44; Mark 13:35-37; Luke 12:35-36; Rev. 22:20

Commentary by A.A. Hodge
Reformed Theology Resource Center: Dedicated to the Reformed Faith

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

<CENTER>This is what Christianity teaches about Judgement. Notice how many others in here quoted the same verses!

Taken from The Westminster Confession of Faith

Of the Last Judgment.

</CENTER>I. God hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world in righteousness by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged; but likewise all persons, that have lived upon earth, shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.
1. Acts 17:31
2. John 5:22, 27
3. Jude 1:6; II Peter 2:4
4. II Cor. 5:10; Eccl. 12:14; Rom. 2:16; 14:10, 12; Matt. 12:36-37



II. The end of God's appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice in the damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient. For then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and refreshing which shall come from the presence of the Lord: but the wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

5. Matt. 25:21, 31-46; Rom. 2:5-6; 9:22-23; Acts 3:19; II Thess. 1:7-10; Mark 9:48

THESE sections teach --
1. That God has appointed a day of general judgment.
2. That he has committed this judgment into the hands of the God-man in his character as Mediator.
3. That the persons to be judged include apostate angels and the whole human race, good and bad.
4. That these persons are to be judged as to all their thoughts, words, and deeds.
5. That the great end of God in the appointment of this day is the manifestation of his glorious justice in the condemnation of the reprobate, and of his glorious grace in the glorification of believers.
6. That the righteous are to be awarded admission to the presence of the Lord, which is to be consciously enjoyed by them in a state of unending holiness, happiness, and honour.
7. That the reprobate are to be awarded a place with the devil and his angels, to be endured with conscious torment and shame through a ceaseless eternity.

III. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity: so will he have that day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come; and may be ever prepared to say, Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly. Amen.

6. II Peter 3:11, 14; II Cor. 5:10-11; II Thess. 1:5-7; Luke 21:27-28; Rom. 8:22-25
7. Matt. 24:36, 42-44; Mark 13:35-37; Luke 12:35-36; Rev. 22:20

Commentary by A.A. Hodge
Reformed Theology Resource Center: Dedicated to the Reformed Faith

I can not understand how it is that you so highly value their opinions? what makes any of them better than your self ? and their opinion better then your own? since you completely subvert any opinion or belief of your own over to those people - who ever the xxxx they are.

And I can not fathom how you could expect me or anyone to bow or submit to the ramblings of Westminster or Hodge??

You say that is what "Christianity teaches" but what makes them the spokespersons for Christ ? and for Christianity ? and what makes them into your spokespeople?

Does not "Marie" have her own beliefs? :shrug:

 

[Giantone]

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I give others the benefit of believing them as they are honestly wrong and thus their truths are incorrect.

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So only your truths are right?Moron!

 

[Marie]

I can not understand how it is that you so highly value their opinions? what makes any of them better than your self ? and their opinion better then your own? since you completely subvert any opinion or belief of your own over to those people - who ever the xxxx they are.

And I can not fathom how you could expect me or anyone to bow or submit to the ramblings of Westminster or Hodge??

You say that is what "Christianity teaches" but what makes them the spokespersons for Christ ? and for Christianity ? and what makes them into your spokespeople?

Does not "Marie" have her own beliefs? :shrug:

They are one voice among many in Christianity that all echo the same thing.
Hodge is well know and respected and I included ihis comentary so you could understand what you what you were reading.

In 1643, the English Parliament called upon "learned, godly and judicious Divines",
The Assembly consisted of 30 laymen (10 lords and 20 commoners) and 121 divines or clergymen. The clergy were selected to represent four separate groups:

1. The episcopalians (who supported an episcopacy) included such figures as James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh. The episcopalian group usually did not attend the sessions, because the king had not authorized them.
2. The presbyterians (who supported an assembly-based structure found in Puritanism), the largest group, included figures such as Edward Reynolds, George Gillespie and Samuel Rutherford.
3. A small group of Independents (of the various Congregationalist views) were present and had the support of Oliver Cromwell, and these included Thomas Goodwin.
4. The Erastian representatives, such as John Lightfoot, who favored the state's primacy over the ecclesiastical law.

to meet at Westminster Abbey in order to provide advice on issues of worship, doctrine, government and discipline of the Church of England. Their meetings, over a period of five years, produced the Confession of Faith, as well as a Larger Catechism and a Shorter Catechism. For more than three centuries, various churches around the world have adopted the Confession and the Catechisms as their standards of doctrine, subordinate to the Bible.
I do have my own beleifs but they align with Christian beliefs, so it is much better to use refrences from the learned and those in the know (credible) rather than just what I think. After all who cares what I think, isnt the truth more important?

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

They are one voice among many in Christianity that all echo the same thing.
Hodge is well know and respected and I included ihis comentary so you could understand what you what you were reading.

In 1643, the English Parliament called upon "learned, godly and judicious Divines",
The Assembly consisted of 30 laymen (10 lords and 20 commoners) and 121 divines or clergymen. The clergy were selected to represent four separate groups:

1. The episcopalians (who supported an episcopacy) included such figures as James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh. The episcopalian group usually did not attend the sessions, because the king had not authorized them.
2. The presbyterians (who supported an assembly-based structure found in Puritanism), the largest group, included figures such as Edward Reynolds, George Gillespie and Samuel Rutherford.
3. A small group of Independents (of the various Congregationalist views) were present and had the support of Oliver Cromwell, and these included Thomas Goodwin.
4. The Erastian representatives, such as John Lightfoot, who favored the state's primacy over the ecclesiastical law.

to meet at Westminster Abbey in order to provide advice on issues of worship, doctrine, government and discipline of the Church of England. Their meetings, over a period of five years, produced the Confession of Faith, as well as a Larger Catechism and a Shorter Catechism. For more than three centuries, various churches around the world have adopted the Confession and the Catechisms as their standards of doctrine, subordinate to the Bible.


I do have my own beleifs but they align with Christian beliefs, so it is much better to use refrences from the learned and those in the know (credible) rather than just what I think. After all who cares what I think, isnt the truth more important?

I would conclude that you are a very dedicated follower of Christianity.

You follow Christianity but not Christ.

And I do not mean that in a hurtful way, it is just my observation.

And for the record, I care how individuals think and feel,

so I would care about your beliefs and feelings too - but you do not share yourself in your words.

 

[Marie]

I would conclude that you are a very dedicated follower of Christianity.

You follow Christianity but not Christ.

And I do not mean that in a hurtful way, it is just my observation.

And for the record, I care how individuals think and feel,

so I would care about your beliefs and feelings too - but you do not share yourself in your words.

How can you do one without the other?
I like to know what your observation is based on, this forum?
My personal life?
I believe in loving others, but there are certain things like salvation, we go to the mat on. That dosent mean you still cant be loving.
And after reading the last post, or not reading it, to you still want to debate judgement?
These are my words above, I think what you find irratting is if I use my words to talk define scripture, than you can debate them or try to discredit them.

Good luck at the polls today!

 

[tommyjones]

How can you do one without the other?
I like to know what your observation is based on, this forum?
My personal life?
I believe in loving others, but there are certain things like salvation, we go to the mat on. That dosent mean you still cant be loving.
And after reading the last post, or not reading it, to you still want to debate judgement?
These are my words above, I think what you find irratting is if I use my words to talk define scripture, than you can debate them or try to discredit them.

Good luck at the polls today!

he is saying that christianty isn't exactly all that christ-like anymore. infact, i believe that most christians would ridicule christ if he was to appear to them today. (probably equate him to a stinky hippie)

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

he is saying that christianty isn't exactly all that christ-like anymore. infact, i believe that most christians would ridicule christ if he was to appear to them today. (probably equate him to a stinky hippie)

I agree.

How can you do one without the other?

The "tommyjones" post shown above gives the answer to you and I agree with him.

I like to know what your observation is based on, this forum?
My personal life?
I believe in loving others, but there are certain things like salvation, we go to the mat on. That dosent mean you still cant be loving.

It comes from the unBiblical doctrine of having a personal relationship with God.

Be it on this Forum or on the streets or anywhere, by using other people as your spokesman then that undermines any posibility of God speaking through you.

You speak for others but not for yourself and thereby do not speak for God.

I (like others) seek for God now in this present time and in this life now, and not just the tales of history and from other people.

I claim a personal relationship with God being just me and God (personal) and you shun that in your words.

And after reading the last post, or not reading it, to you still want to debate judgement?
These are my words above, I think what you find irratting is if I use my words to talk define scripture, than you can debate them or try to discredit them.

The Westminster Confession, and the commentaries of Dodge, are NOT your words and NOT your beliefs and they DO NOT represent "Marie" at all.

Such things are fine for study and reference but they are not holy scripture and those have no compelling authority.

Good luck at the polls today!

Thank you, and I will be happy when the vote is over and done today.