Afghanistan

Gilligan

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I believe the question is, will / can they actually be able to utilize a accurate service weapon now that they have access to them.
Accurate? The PKM is a superb machine gun...reliability and accuracy both. The PSLs are no slouch out to 500+ meters as a squad snipe rifle. RPDs?..as old as the design is it's still an awesome light machine gun. I'm not sure they are really upgrading by snatching up all that US hardware. But that aside, ahma see if I can arrange to bootleg sell a few thousand CR2032 batteries over there....demand could become high and availability low. ;-p Those goat humpers are not used to everything being battery powered..LOL.
 

DaSDGuy

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Imagine the surprise when the trans athletes competing as women have their veils lifted by their new husband.
 

black dog

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Accurate? The PKM is a superb machine gun...reliability and accuracy both. The PSLs are no slouch out to 500+ meters as a squad snipe rifle. RPDs?..as old as the design is it's still an awesome light machine gun. I'm not sure they are really upgrading by snatching up all that US hardware.

Come on...
Sure as a spray and pray.... All of our service rifles in the last 125+ years will easily shoot that well and better in good hands.
Never see anyone shoot groups with any of those rifles, neither rifle along with ammunition thats available on the battlefield is capable of competing with the accuracy of our M4 with and issue M855 ammo, Flat out.
Whats next.... 7.62x39 will hold moa at 300?
Some qualify yearly to 500m with a M4 and a 4 pr Acog, I would relish the thought of seeing that done in a russian 54R chambered firearm thats being used in Afghanistan.
 

Gilligan

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Come on...
Sure as a spray and pray.... All of our service rifles in the last 125+ years will easily shoot that well and better in good hands.

Having spent the time I have shooting the PSL with the PSOP scope....I can assure you that what it can and does put accurately on target at 500+ is nothing to shrug off or dismiss. A true Dragunov does better.
My SOF friends have a high regard for the PKM and are trained to use it....yet another weapon that fires the 54r. What are we still using that fires the rough equivalent of the .30-06 round?

I am surprised that I've yet to spot any of the old Soviet SMGs in the hands of the Taliban. SA24 or 26...PPSh PPS43..etc. Considering how many millions of those are out in circulation...
 

black dog

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Having spent the time I have shooting the PSL with the PSOP scope....I can assure you that what it can and does put accurately on target at 500+ is nothing to shrug off or dismiss. A true Dragunov does better.
My SOF friends have a high regard for the PKM and are trained to use it....yet another weapon that fires the 54r.

With what ammo? Corrosive Yellow or Silver lol....
And what target? An Abrams?
They are great machine guns but.

The legendary myth continues..
A rimmed cartridge is soooo 100 years ago for many reasons...

And men working have no choice to use whats issued to them or what can be acquired/liberated.

My choice then was a M14, PSG 1 or a G3
I would have choose a M1D next if available...

Come on, Russia went what 50 years without a high level bolt action service rifle.

Spray and pray...
Thats what they are built for...
Im from Missouri, and I also spent some years overseas. Those will never shoot on the same level as are Standard Service Rifles and ammunition.
Those along with the ammunition are not designed for LR accuracy....


Its not like the Taliban are trained marksman using russian MTs-116М or a SV-98 with quality Lapua ammunition..

If those rifles were repeatable with reliable accuracy we would see them on the 'Line' across the country every weekend at Across the Course Matches.... But you dont see them...And there is a reason for it.

Volley Returned.....
 

Gilligan

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Volley Returned.....

I'm only going on personal experience with shooting a lot of 7.62x54r. I'll defer to yours.

And if I'm headed out the door with a need to shoot something at long range...I'm grabbing my 6.5 Creedmoor Weatherby first...my 6.5 Grendel AR second..LOL.
 
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Bonehead

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Having spent the time I have shooting the PSL with the PSOP scope....I can assure you that what it can and does put accurately on target at 500+ is nothing to shrug off or dismiss. A true Dragunov does better.
My SOF friends have a high regard for the PKM and are trained to use it....yet another weapon that fires the 54r. What are we still using that fires the rough equivalent of the .30-06 round?

I am surprised that I've yet to spot any of the old Soviet SMGs in the hands of the Taliban. SA24 or 26...PPSh PPS43..etc. Considering how many millions of those are out in circulation...
My Garand likes 30 ought just fine, 8 clicks equals 100 yards every single time...
 

black dog

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I'm only going on personal experience with shooting a lot of 7.62x54r. I'll defer to yours.

And if I'm headed out the door with a need to shoot something at long range...I'm grabbing my 6.5 Creedmoor Weatherby first...my 6.5 Grendel AR second..LOL.

The 6.5 Creedmoor certainly is a very accurate and very popular round today. A few shoot it at one of the ranges we shoot at regularly. One woman in particular shoots a Ruger Precision in 6.5, its a laser to 500-550 yds and darn lethal to 800.
Im not much of a Grendel guy, for me what it produces in medium to short LR it likes a 24" barrel to get the most out of slow burning powder.

I would rather use a quality 7 twist 16-20" AR with a Sierra 77 matchking and a full case of Varget.
A very popular High Power load..
And its cheaper to shoot...

Full disclosure, i have a few NOS 700 actions that are waiting for Stenski Rifles over in Pendelton to get to me. Both will be trued and have big fat stainless screwed on them and chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor.
I want to get back into shooting F class next summer.
 

black dog

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Welll
Having spent the time I have shooting the PSL with the PSOP scope....I can assure you that what it can and does put accurately on target at 500+ is nothing to shrug off or dismiss. A true Dragunov does better.
My SOF friends have a high regard for the PKM and are trained to use it....yet another weapon that fires the 54r. What are we still using that fires the rough equivalent of the .30-06 round?

I am surprised that I've yet to spot any of the old Soviet SMGs in the hands of the Taliban. SA24 or 26...PPSh PPS43..etc. Considering how many millions of those are out in circulation...

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Have you guys seen the prices of import berdan primed ammo the last few days???
I hope all of you bought well when it was cheap.....
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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Welll


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Have you guys seen the prices of import berdan primed ammo the last few days???
I hope all of you bought well when it was cheap.....
I don't have anything that fires russian surp but back when it was cheap, I bought plenty of food for the Garand, to include Spam-Can bandolier and 480 rounds of match that i got from someone who inherited it.
 

black dog

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No..but as soon as I saw Slow Joe's embargo announcement, I knew it would take off. I've got enough to hold them off for a while. ;-)
Im not a big shooter of it, now my kid is different. He bought a crate plus of hex Mosins (like 89.00 each) in early HS and he has 8-9 double tuna wood crates in the shop from when it was about 110 bucks a can. Hes looking like a worst horder that his dad.. Cases just show up on the UPS truck..
 
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