Age of consent

[pixiegirl]

Ok, you said that a 14 year old giving it up to her 18 year old BF is not a CRIME. If she is willing to give it up does it make it a CRIME for her to give it up to a 32 year old truck driver?

It makes it a crime for him to accept it. A 32 year old should be and act like an adult with NO exceptions. An 18 year old boy still isn't finished with puberty. Apples and oranges. A 32 year old man is very capable of having a 14 year old daughter. There should be a line drawn and between teenaged/very early 20s boys and girls 4 years is acceptable. Acceptable as in "if they're going to do it anyway" not as in acceptable and the parents don't need a smack down for letting it happen.

 

[migtig]

So would you make all sex under 18 a crime? Two 16 year olds in the back seat of a car - which one is the sex offender?

Yep. Both of them. I honest to goodness would ensure that both were punished with a fine and or juvenile jail time. I'm :meam: I bet with my laws there would be less teen sex, which equals less teen pregnancy and communicable diseases.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

I bet with my laws there would be less teen sex, which equals less teen pregnancy and communicable diseases.

You are just giving them a reason to hide and sneak around.

 

[bcp]

should be 36.
If I didnt get none till then, nobody else needs to either.

 

[Larry Gude]

But it...

The arm thing would bother me.

...wouldn't stop you, would it?

You'd just nag him about it..."When are you gonna get that stinky old arm out of the yard? The dogs keep digging it up..."

:runsforcover:

 

[yankee44]

I think they should do away with the consent law.
It is either consent or rape there is no middle ground.

 

[Larry Gude]

You aren't from...

Yep. Both of them. I honest to goodness would ensure that both were punished with a fine and or juvenile jail time. I'm :meam: I bet with my laws there would be less teen sex, which equals less teen pregnancy and communicable diseases.

...Georgia, are you?

 

[vraiblonde]

You are just giving them a reason to hide and sneak around.

They're going to hide and sneak around anyway. It's the bold 15 year old who just announces to her parents, "Joey and I are going upstairs to ####. See you in a few..."

 

[bresamil]

"This is the reality of sex with minors: The ages of the parties vary widely from case to case. For more than a century, states and countries have been raising and standardizing the legal age of consent. Horny teenagers are being thrown in with pedophiles. The point of this crackdown was to lock up perverts and protect incompetent minors. But the rationales and the numbers don't match up. The age of majority and the age of competence are coming apart. The age of competence is fracturing, and the age of female puberty is declining. It's time to abandon the myth of the "age of consent" and lower the threshold for legal sex.


I'm not saying 12 should be the official age of "consent." Consent implies competence, and 12-year-olds don't really have that. In a forthcoming review of studies, Laurence Steinberg of Temple University observes that at ages 12 to 13, only 11 percent of kids score at an average (50th percentile) adult level on tests of intellectual ability. By ages 14 to 15, the percentage has doubled to 21. By ages 16 to 17, it has doubled again to 42. After that, it levels off."

Rethinking the age of sexual consent. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

As I said in Pete's original thread...I have a 12 year old. I drove a bunch of 12 and 13 year olds home from a dance. They are goofy, immature, and think they are tuff stuff. None of them are mature enough to be allowed to masturbate, let alone copulate. They have NO CLUE.

I also know a good many 15 and 16 year olds that are way too immature to handle the emotional side of sex and the possible repercussions of sex.

Make 18 the universal age of sex, alcohol, cigarettes, and military service.

As to the both are teens question...there is a HUGE maturity and emotional gap between 14 and 18. HUGE. Both parties of teen CONSENSUAL sex should share the burden of any punishment although with a 4 year difference I doubt the 14 year old has the same "goal" as the 18 year old.

 

[pixiegirl]

I think they should do away with the consent law.
It is either consent or rape there is no middle ground.

That's too thin a line. An 18 year old boy is far more mature than a 10 year old girl. At a point he could get hard up and convince her because he can't get it elsewhere. Children are capable of becoming predatory when it suits them.

 

[bresamil]

They're going to hide and sneak around anyway. It's the bold 15 year old who just announces to her parents, "Joey and I are going upstairs to ####. See you in a few..."

And its the good parent that kicks both her ass and Joey's, on the spot.

 

[kris31280]

In Minnesota the law states that it is statutory rape unless no more than 24 months separates the partners.

So a 15 year old could have a 17 year old partner, but not an 18 year old.

After the age of 18, all bets are off... sleep with whomever you so choose, provided they're not more than 2 years younger than you.

My ex talked about how he lost his virginity at 14 and I couldn't really relate because I lost mine at 17. I think kids having sex before the age of 16 is a bad idea but I know it happens because my nephew is 9 years old and my brother is only 25.

I don't think people should be having sex until they're ready to deal with the consequences, which could very well include parenthood.

Just my two cents.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

They're going to hide and sneak around anyway. It's the bold 15 year old who just announces to her parents, "Joey and I are going upstairs to ####. See you in a few..."

You are right. But if Mig makes some law that says its illegal, chances are if something happens, little Susie isn't going to get the medical attention she needs because she'll be jailed.

 

[pixiegirl]

And its the good parent that kicks both her ass and Joey's, on the spot.

And that's exactly what it comes down to. These kids that are out there "doing it anyway" are doing what kids do. As parents it's OUR responsibility to make choices for our kids until they are adults. And most of the time we're far from independent adults at 18. There inevitably will be parents that fail their children and thus the children are given the opportunity to go out and misbehave be it sex, drinking, drugs, or just going out and acting like #######s. There should be reasonable laws in place to protect children, they shouldn't be punished because they're not being raised right.

 

[migtig]

...Georgia, are you?

Maybe that has something to do with it. :shrug: I know a lot of my beliefs differ from others just on the way I was raised. And there are a world of differences in just a few miles.

I truly believe that regardless of what age anybody on here first had sex, that any age before 18 was the wrong age. You don't have the ability and or maturity to make decision about something that can effect your life like that.

Kids already sneak around. However, we as a society condone their actions. I personally don't. I think if more were punished and consequences were seen, then perhaps that will help curtail their activities. Nothing works like parental involvement though, however, we are rapidly becoming a society that can't even discipline or involve ourselves with our own children.

 

[Wenchy]

This poll made my lasiked corneas rupture. I'm suing Pete.

 

[migtig]

You are right. But if Mig makes some law that says its illegal, chances are if something happens, little Susie isn't going to get the medical attention she needs because she'll be jailed.

If she's in jail she gets free medical. However she also gets a severe punishment instead of running around screwing everything else that moves because she's "in love" and her mommie and daddy didn't teach her any better. :shrug:

 

[Chain729]

Yep. Both of them. I honest to goodness would ensure that both were punished with a fine and or juvenile jail time. I'm :meam: I bet with my laws there would be less teen sex, which equals less teen pregnancy and communicable diseases.

You should go back to that virginity thread and see how many people owe jail time.

 

[Dymphna]

I don't think people should be having sex until they're ready to deal with the consequences, which could very well include parenthood.

Just my two cents.

Totally true, but who is making that decision?

A woman told me that her child...can't remember the age, but it was less than 10...told her that when she had children, she'd just turn them over to Mom because, "That's what you do." (She was a stay-at-home mom).

This girl had a plan to deal with the consequences. And in many cases her plan is the one followed by a lot of people....I even know a married, 30-something, who moved in with her parents just for that reason. Does that mean that this 7 or 8 year old can start having sex?

In this case, mom said, "no way in hell." but I know lots of grandmothers taking care of the children of their teenage children. Some of them don't even mind doing it, they prefer it that way.

 

[Pete]

It makes it a crime for him to accept it. A 32 year old should be and act like an adult with NO exceptions. An 18 year old boy still isn't finished with puberty. Apples and oranges. A 32 year old man is very capable of having a 14 year old daughter. There should be a line drawn and between teenaged/very early 20s boys and girls 4 years is acceptable. Acceptable as in "if they're going to do it anyway" not as in acceptable and the parents don't need a smack down for letting it happen.

Are you saying that a 14 year old girl is capable of making a sound rational decision to bang an 18 year old but not capable to decide to bang a 32 year old?

Or are you saying that it is beyond reason to expect an 18 year old to understand it is against the law and wrong so don't do it yet it is not unreasonable for a 32 year old to know it is wrong?