Age of consent

[pixiegirl]

So if they rob a bank they are not capable of making a good choice so they should not be considered criminals? What about selling heroin? How about entering a financial contract?

I was unaware that anyone under 18 could enter a financial contract?

A lot of kids do make bad choices and that's why there are laws in place, to protect the innocent. Two teens having sex are both guilty of a bad choice but it shouldn't be a crime. NOT robbing a bank isn't a "good" choice it's living within the standards of society and it's a crime no matter WHO at what age does it, as is selling drugs. I don't want the state imposing moral obligation on my children, that's my job. If I fail my children and they're out banging half the state or holding up banks then it's just that, I have failed my children.

 

[Pete]

...and this was a party full of underage drinking leading to an underage orgy. How come no one is in an uproar about 15, 16 & 17 year olds getting so shiatfaced they can't even remember what they were doing or whether they were enjoying it...

that is not the point of this poll. It is a given that a large percentage of the populace 1. Should not have kids because they are stupid. or 2. Don't give a shiat what they are doing. It is a known epidemic.

The purpose of this poll is ; What role should the state have in suppressing underage, immature, incapable children are not engaging in sex. No role, a set standard, a complicated matrix? And if they do should they actually enforce the laws they passed?

 

[pixiegirl]

I disagree, MANY 18 year old boys are not robbing banks, selling heroin, kidnapping, running from the cops in a car, shooting up convenience stores, they know what is wrong and what is right. I say that an 18 year old boy, and I was one, CAN resist urges to do something wrong, it is appologists who make it easy not to.

"But but but, she is my GF and I love her sooooooooooo much."

Good Lord! Apples and oranges, apples and oranges, apples and oranges.... I had underage sex but didn't rob, maim or murder anyone either. A 14 year old boy should know better than to do those things just as well as an 18 year old boy does.

The difference in consensual sex is that there is no harm being done to either party. That's not to say that there are not potentially harmful consequences (pregnancy, STDs, etc) but the lack of intent to harm is there. Two kids getting their rocks off together is not the same as a malicious act.

 

[Pete]

I was unaware that anyone under 18 could enter a financial contract?

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Why is that? You mean they can swap bodily fluids and spurt out children but they cannot apply for a Best Buy card and buy an IPOD?

Oh the injustice!!!!!

 

[Pete]

The difference in consensual sex is that there is no harm being done to either party. That's not to say that there are not potentially harmful consequences (pregnancy, STDs, etc) but the lack of intent to harm is there. Two kids getting their rocks off together is not the same as a malicious act.

OK, then if there is no harm done I have to ask again why can't the 14 year old choose to bang a 32 year old truck driver? No real harm is being done, right?

 

[pixiegirl]

Why is that? You mean they can swap bodily fluids and spurt out children but they cannot apply for a Best Buy card and buy an IPOD?

Oh the injustice!!!!!

I'm unaware if there are actual laws in place or if it's just sound financial practice. I just know that it's not common practice. The why in this case if we're going to compare apples and oranges again may in fact be important.

 

[vraiblonde]

OK, then if there is no harm done I have to ask again why can't the 14 year old choose to bang a 32 year old truck driver?

She can. What makes you think a 14 year old can't choose to bang an adult truck driver?

 

[pixiegirl]

OK, then if there is no harm done I have to ask again why can't the 14 year old choose to bang a 32 year old truck driver? No real harm is being done, right?

Because he's a freaking adult not a horny hormonal teenager.

Christ, since we want to use scenarios like this let's take my 5 year old. Say he steals a piece of gum from 7-11, should he in fact be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law (which I'm sure could possibly include jail time) or should I as his mother be responsible for his punishment?

 

[pixiegirl]

She can. What makes you think a 14 year old can't choose to bang an adult truck driver?

That's what I said earlier. She can and HE as as ADULT should not. She is not responsible for a variety of reasons, he IS.

 

[pixiegirl]

I have a sick babe at home. Later gators.

 

[kris31280]

Totally true, but who is making that decision?

A woman told me that her child...can't remember the age, but it was less than 10...told her that when she had children, she'd just turn them over to Mom because, "That's what you do." (She was a stay-at-home mom).

This girl had a plan to deal with the consequences. And in many cases her plan is the one followed by a lot of people....I even know a married, 30-something, who moved in with her parents just for that reason. Does that mean that this 7 or 8 year old can start having sex?

In this case, mom said, "no way in hell." but I know lots of grandmothers taking care of the children of their teenage children. Some of them don't even mind doing it, they prefer it that way.

If the person who gets pregnant makes the decision to simply pawn off the child and is able to do so, then fault lies in both the person making the decison and the person enabling the decision.

I live with my parents, I'm 27 years old, and I have a son who just turned 2. When I moved in with my parents they had two rules: #1, go back to school and get a degree and #2 you are still his primary caregiver, we want to enjoy our grandson and not be forced to parent him as we raised our two kids.

I'm still able to go out, simply because my parents choose not to and if for whatever reason my son wakes up before I come home they are there to make sure he finds his way back in to bed. I don't go out unless he's sleeping. I pay for his daycare, his food, his clothing. I make his meals and care for him, give him his baths, and am the main disciplinarian.

If the plan is to simply pawn off your children, you shouldn't be having children, and if you shouldn't be having children, you shouldn't be having sex where the possiblity exists that one may be conceived.

 

[kris31280]

Because he's a freaking adult not a horny hormonal teenager.

Christ, since we want to use scenarios like this let's take my 5 year old. Say he steals a piece of gum from 7-11, should he in fact be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law (which I'm sure could possibly include jail time) or should I as his mother be responsible for his punishment?

He shouldn't be and he wouldn't be able to because under common law he cannot be held responsible for his actions until the age of 7 and he cannot be tried as an adult until at least the age of 14.

 

[Pete]

Because he's a freaking adult not a horny hormonal teenager.

Christ, since we want to use scenarios like this let's take my 5 year old. Say he steals a piece of gum from 7-11, should he in fact be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law (which I'm sure could possibly include jail time) or should I as his mother be responsible for his punishment?

You are putting stealing a peice of gum on the same level as sex?

 

[Chain729]

You are putting stealing a peice of gum on the same level as sex?

You want laws prosecuted because they're laws right? You don't want the prosecuter and judge to throw cases out because they don't agree with the laws right? And last I checked, the law, as written, makes that a crime.

 

[Pete]

She can. What makes you think a 14 year old can't choose to bang an adult truck driver?

Pixie said she can't. :shrug: I said "you need to take a stand, she IS capable or she ISN'T capable of consenting you need to take a stand." and she said she didn't.

A 14 year old can say "Lets fluck" to an 18 year old and it is cool, but she can't bang a 32 year old truck driver because he is an "adult".

I think it is because of the icky factor, but since being icky is not against the law if you are going to take the stance that a 14 year old CAN consent then it applies across the board, 18, 38, 48 or even APS.

My point it to point out how foolish it is to say unequivically a XX person can consent to bang a person X years older, but not someone Y years older.

 

[Pete]

You want laws prosecuted because they're laws right? You don't want the prosecuter and judge to throw cases out because they don't agree with the laws right? And last I checked, the law, as written, makes that a crime.

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He shouldn't be and he wouldn't be able to because under common law he cannot be held responsible for his actions until the age of 7 and he cannot be tried as an adult until at least the age of 14.

 

[Pete]

Actually that is probably Lord Andy Marquis. He knows his only hope of slippery is trolling the middle school in his Gremlin with a 10lb bag of Sweet Tarts.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Didn't know that. Interesting.

There is a little more info here: Maryland Judiciary - Frequently Asked Questions

 

[vraiblonde]

That's what I said earlier. She can and HE as as ADULT should not. She is not responsible for a variety of reasons, he IS.

Right

However, if she initiates it, I think she should bear some responsibility as well.

 

[vraiblonde]

Actually that is probably Lord Andy Marquis. He knows his only hope of slippery is trolling the middle school in his Gremlin with a 10lb bag of Sweet Tarts.

Why are you insulting him? He's not the one that thinks a 17 year old who has sex with a 15 year old is a child molestor.