Amber Frey claims to read the Bible

[Mikeinsmd]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment
... I think God issued a wake up call and He will issue more. The Bible, which few in here believe, says that as the end times approach, there will be more earthquakes, storms, wars, and other disasters as God tries to get people to wake up to His presence, power, control, forgiveness, and love. We are free to choose; choose wisely.
THIS is how the almighty attracts followers?? Sounds like G.W. Bush is God!!

 

[crabcake]

the truth hurts sometimes.

 

[vraiblonde]

I can't believe what I'm reading here. This woman gets involved with not one, but TWO married men and has a child out of wedlock with a third man, not to mention all the other men there probably were between all those guys. This is your basic bimbo here, folks - not exactly what we hope for our daughters to become.

Yes, she did the right thing by coming forward. Yes, she seems like a nice enough gal in her interviews. But let's not pretend that this is Mother Theresa we're talking about. She makes some claim to Christianity that she obviously has no intention of following, and you say those who call her on it the hypocrites???

That boggles the mind.

The author of that article is correct that Amber Frey has no one to blame but herself for getting involved with Scott Peterson. Didn't she wonder why she'd never been invited to his home? Or to meet his friends or family? Or why he always called her from a cellphone? Duh.

I'll judge her if I want. I suspect some of you are only saying these things because you feel defensive about your own situation.

 

[Pete]

I wasn't talking specifically about the Pastor or 2A. I was talking of the type of believer who tells others to their faces that they're going to Hell. Or the Islamist fundamentalists who claim that the tsunami was God's punishment on the insufficiently faithful. Or Falwell and Robertson, who claimed that 9/11 was God's wrath on America for homosexuality and fundamentalism. Or Rosie O'Donnell, who tells people that cancer is punishment for lying. In these type of cases, God's love for the sinner is either not mentioned, or mentioned only as an afterthought. These types of believers present an image of God that, like themselves, is quick to anger and reluctant to forgive. When you tell someone they're going to hell, you imply that you (and not necessarily God) believe that person doesn't deserve to exist.

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I think that judgment is not a bad thing provided you are adult enough to accept the judgment for what it is. I have had people judge me, well within their rights to do. I look at the source, judge whether or not I believe them to be sincere, intelligent enough to form a judgment, if their judgment has merit, and the context in which the judgment was offered. If after careful consideration of those factors I make a judgment to take their judgment to heart or discount it as the ranting of a goober with an agenda. If I discount their judgment it does not go away, it still exists in their mind but it does not make it “bad”.

 

[AMP]

I can't help but think of this post when reading this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment
... Have you taken a look at the lifestyles and religions of those in the countries that were washed away? Thailand is known for sexual misconduct; LBFM bring any recollection? Indonesia is over 80% Muslim. None of the countries effected are Christian; they are Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists. I think God issued a wake up call and He will issue more. The Bible, which few in here believe, says that as the end times approach, there will be more earthquakes, storms, wars, and other disasters as God tries to get people to wake up to His presence, power, control, forgiveness, and love. We are free to choose; choose wisely. :

This is where I deviate from the Catholics (and probably many other religions) because this question looms in my mind every now and then. How do we know that the God of the Hebrews is the right God? Or if there is one True God, but many ways to come to Him? Why pass judgement on GOd's creations because they don't follow the Bible's teachings? A person who does not lie, steal, commit adultery is JUST AS GOOD as the Christian who does not lie, steal commit adultery. And yet we have people running around saying that they are damned, the will go to Hell, they have no soul.

To sort of quote Sammy Davis Jr to Archie Bunker - soemthing along the lines of how do you know God will do thus and such . "'Cause She's black."

 

[Tonio]

I think that judgment is not a bad thing provided you are adult enough to accept the judgment for what it is. I have had people judge me, well within their rights to do. I look at the source, judge whether or not I believe them to be sincere, intelligent enough to form a judgment, if their judgment has merit, and the context in which the judgment was offered. If after careful consideration of those factors I make a judgment to take their judgment to heart or discount it as the ranting of a goober with an agenda. If I discount their judgment it does not go away, it still exists in their mind but it does not make it “bad”.

I can appreciate that. I think you and I are talking about two different kinds of judgment.

 

[Kain99]

She makes some claim to Christianity that she obviously has no intention of following, and you say those who call her on it the hypocrites???

None of us know what is in Amber's heart....

I'll judge her if I want. I suspect some of you are only saying these things because you feel defensive about your own situation.

It is for this reason, 2A and others should use great caution when attempting to lead others to God. Scare tactics and shame do not lead the lost to Our Father.

 

[Kizzy]

I know my basis of not wanting to judge anyone. I for one am my worst critic. They say arrogance and ignorance go hand and hand and that each one of us should take a long look at how we conduct our own lives before we judge others. I have never felt “holler than thou” and realize that to each person in the world, comes a foundation that lead that person to be the created body of emotions, actions and feelings they are today. They may not have had the same choices or same qualities to persevere, and yes, they seem to continually make poor choices.

As a human being, can I be judgmental? Sure, we all can be, some more than others, some way more than others, but I have also noticed that when you get to the heart of those “more judgmental” people you will find that they themselves cannot tolerate an opinion and will back lash when one is given saying “you have no right, you have no clue, you don’t know what I’ve been thru.” And yes, they are right, which is why they should extend that same courtesy before rattling off that tongue “judge not lest ye be judged yourself.”

As I posted previously, when I look at what the pastor is saying in the article in the big picture, there are people who in my judgmental opinion have done worse, but this article was merely a way to narrow it down to one thing. It says "your choices carry consequences...often life-changing consequences." Amber made the same exact mistake over and over again, not learning from those mistakes prior. Who does she have to blame for that? Herself? Of course, I'm sure she knows that more than anyone.

 

[crabcake]

I agree that she isn't the smartest cookie in the jar, but (correct me if I'm wrong, since I didn't "eat, sleep and live" the details of this case), she wasn't aware of the guys' married status at first, I thought. Now, if she KNEW going in to the relationship the guy was married, and her intentions were malicious and she wanted to play homewrecker, that's a different story.

And no, I don't feel defensive about this situation b/c of my own situation. I think it's naive, in this day and age, to expect people to not have premarital sex. Granted, no one wants their 15 year old daughter out whoring around, but as a grown-up, which this woman was, and in what I understand she thought was an honest relationship (i.e., the guy wasn't married), I don't think what she did was abnormal or should be chastised. :shrug:

 

[Pete]

I can appreciate that. I think you and I are talking about two different kinds of judgment.

If you come up and tell me I am going to hell forever because I go not faithfully practise the cannons of "The United Church of Tonio" I am going to apply the red part of the above quote. What do you suppose I am going to do with your judgment?

 

[Tonio]

If you come up and tell me I am going to hell forever because I go not faithfully practise the cannons of "The United Church of Tonio" I am going to apply the red part of the above quote. What do you suppose I am going to do with your judgment?

If I did something that arrogant, you'd be completely justified in telling me to go myself.

 

[Kain99]

I'm also a little sympathetic to the concept of "driving people away from God". There is a Scripture that admonishes not to put out the Spirit's fire - others, to encourage, and still others to help those who are weak. Jesus condemned the Pharisees not only because they were hypocrites but because they shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces - they appeared to be righteous - BUT THEY STOOD IN THE WAY.

While I at one time might have nodded in agreement in the original article - I shudder now should all the dark parts of my own soul be as exposed as Amber's public behavior is. I wouldn't pass muster either.

Amen....

 

[vraiblonde]

Scare tactics and shame do not lead the lost to Our Father.

Sure they do, especially the shame part. Fear is a great motivator - in fact, the BEST motivator. And people only feel shame because of fear - fear of disappointing people, fear of disapproval, fear of not liking who they see in the mirror.

Nobody ever got religion because they loved their lives and the person they were and thought things were hunky dory. Typically people do it because there's something missing in their life or they're unhappy.

 

[Kizzy]

Sure they do, especially the shame part. Fear is a great motivator - in fact, the BEST motivator. And people only feel shame because of fear - fear of disappointing people, fear of disapproval, fear of not liking who they see in the mirror.

Nobody ever got religion because they loved their lives and the person they were and thought things were hunky dory. Typically people do it because there's something missing in their life or they're unhappy.

Or because they know they have committed a crime against mankind and society and this is the way they feel they can repent for what they have done and of course, because forgiveness can be found in the church, they know that they will be forgiven.

 

[Kain99]

Sure they do, especially the shame part. Fear is a great motivator - in fact, the BEST motivator. And people only feel shame because of fear - fear of disappointing people, fear of disapproval, fear of not liking who they see in the mirror.

Again I must disagree... Jesus did not lead through fear. He did so through Love.

He also, warned continually against using these tactics.

 

[kwillia]

Typically people do it because there's something missing in their life or they're unhappy.

:worthyofquoting:

 

[Christy]

Nobody ever got religion because they loved their lives and the person they were and thought things were hunky dory. Typically people do it because there's something missing in their life or they're unhappy.

That's not true, I did it for the Tang and oreo cookies they provided at vacation bible school.

 

[Kizzy]

That's not true, I did it for the Tang and oreo cookies they provided at vacation bible school.

And the cool arts and crafts projects.

 

[crabcake]

Sure they do, especially the shame part. Fear is a great motivator - in fact, the BEST motivator. And people only feel shame because of fear - fear of disappointing people, fear of disapproval, fear of not liking who they see in the mirror.

Nobody ever got religion because they loved their lives and the person they were and thought things were hunky dory. Typically people do it because there's something missing in their life or they're unhappy.

In my case, it's not fear that would bring me to God. I've been 'in fear' before ... a few times. And that was the last place I turned. If anything, I'm the kind of person, who, when something bad happens (i.e., the tsunami, my carjacking, news of a murder, whatever,) I challenge the existence of of this "almighty God" even harder. If I were married to an alcoholic, I wouldn't turn to God for answers; God didn't stick the bottle in that person's mouth. If I found out I had lung cancer, I wouldn't ask God "why"; it's cuz my dumbass smokes.

I agree with the notion that everyone has a choice in how they live their life, and that they, in turn, must accept the consequences of those decisions.

 

[crabcake]

That's not true, I did it for the Tang and oreo cookies they provided at vacation bible school.