Amber Frey claims to read the Bible

[vraiblonde]

Again I must disagree... Jesus did not lead through fear. He did so through Love.

Are you kidding? Jesus said repeatedly that you're gonna be in trouble if you don't repent your sins and quit doing them.

Luke 13

1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

[Pete]

As a human being, can I be judgmental? Sure, we all can be, some more than others, some way more than others, but I have also noticed that when you get to the heart of those “more judgmental” people you will find that they themselves cannot tolerate an opinion and will back lash when one is given saying “you have no right, you have no clue, you don’t know what I’ve been thru.” And yes, they are right, which is why they should extend that same courtesy before rattling off that tongue “judge not lest ye be judged yourself.”

I think you are confusing the issue. Simply because the person who dismissed your opinion as “not applicable” or “not worthy of consideration” does not take your opinion away, it just hurt your feelings that they did not embrace it and that is your problem not theirs. You always HAVE the right to make a judgment, but you are correct that some people often do NOT have a clue, or enough information to support their opinion. It is up to that person to either attempt to enlighten you with their rebuttal, or simply let the whole thing drop and deem the judge unworthy of legitimate judgments. Because they hurt your feelings and did not accept your judgment or argued what they thought were inconsistancies does not mean they are forever prohibited from making their own personal judgments, that would be impossible.

I judge, and I have no problem being judged. If the judgment of me is made public to me I have the right of rebuttal and extend the same to anyone I publicly judge.

 

[Hello6]

That's not true, I did it for the Tang and oreo cookies they provided at vacation bible school.

I did it to get to play Red Rover and rip other kids' arms out of their sockets, and rice krispie treats.

/so much fun

 

[Christy]

And the cool arts and crafts projects.

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I'm a weird Christian (if I even am one really, guess I'll find out for sure if I've done it right when I kick over :shrug: ), but My belief in God has always been the calming, grounding, force in my chaotic life. :shrug: It keeps me humble and on an even keel. I don't ever really think I'm better than anybody else because I'm a "Christian", I do think I'm better than most because I just am.

 

[Hello6]

I judge, and I have no problem being judged. If the judgment of me is made public to me I have the right of rebuttal and extend the same to anyone I publicly judge.

When you live your life like Mom is watching, being judged isn't so worrisome.

 

[Pete]

When you live your life like Mom is watching, being judged isn't so worrisome.

In theory that is true. But there is always someone out there who will draw an incorrect conclusion based on some agenda.

 

[workin hard]

Sure they do, especially the shame part. Fear is a great motivator - in fact, the BEST motivator. And people only feel shame because of fear - fear of disappointing people, fear of disapproval, fear of not liking who they see in the mirror.

Nobody ever got religion because they loved their lives and the person they were and thought things were hunky dory. Typically people do it because there's something missing in their life or they're unhappy.

This has a point. Think of how many inmates on death row magically find Jesus.

 

[Pete]

This has a point. Think of how many inmates on death row magically find Jesus.

Not to mention all those who befall some horrible event and find him. Foxhole Christians is a term I have heard.

 

[vraiblonde]

Think of how many inmates on death row magically find Jesus.

Those fartheads just do it because they think some Governor will give them a stay of execution, not because they're truly sorry for whatever they did.

 

[workin hard]

Those fartheads just do it because they think some Governor will give them a stay of execution, not because they're truly sorry for whatever they did.

Exactly and just in case the governor doesn't they want to be in a good place afterwards.

 

[workin hard]

Not to mention all those who befall some horrible event and find him. Foxhole Christians is a term I have heard.

Haven't heard the term before but it suits.

 

[Nanny Pam]

When you live your life like Mom is watching, being judged isn't so worrisome.

:ahem:

 

[Kain99]

Are you kidding? Jesus said repeatedly that you're gonna be in trouble if you don't repent your sins and quit doing them.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eyes and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” (Mtt.7v3)

“Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.” (Mtt.6v1)

“These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” (Mk.7v66)

“They devour widow’s houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.” (Lk.20v47)

“You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” (Mk.7v8).

It is not easy to be honest with ourselves and to admit that we are sinners. The Christian is not supposed to be afraid to be honest with him self because he knows that through Jesus Christ, there is forgiveness, cleansing and hope. There is no need to be afraid to face up to our true self, whatever nightmares we may have concerning our true self to be.

When Christ died on the cross, he not only bore God’s righteous judgement against sins but also secured for all who believes, a new life and an eternal hope of perfection. Let us then come to Christ, that we may stop living a lie and start leaving hypocrisy behind.

 

[Pete]

Those fartheads just do it because they think some Governor will give them a stay of execution, not because they're truly sorry for whatever they did.

I think the true test is if they are still fighting the death sentence. You owuld think a true Christian who was facing death would not fear death.

 

[vraiblonde]

“They devour widow’s houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.” (Lk.20v47)

Nope - no scare tactic there.

 

[Kain99]

Nope - no scare tactic there.

Last I checked 2A wasn't Jesus.... He is a sinner just like the rest of us. I take great offense at his usage of scare tactics and consider it hypocritical.

I just think he would be wise to take a really long look at the warnings in the Bible before logging on with this nauseating tripe again.

When ya walk around looking down your nose, you very rarely see the danger right in front of you.

Jesus warned of God's wrath, but he led the flock through Love.

Why are you jumping on his bandwagon today? Weren't you the one who called him a fanatic?

 

[Kizzy]

I think you are confusing the issue. Simply because the person who dismissed your opinion as “not applicable” or “not worthy of consideration” does not take your opinion away, it just hurt your feelings that they did not embrace it and that is your problem not theirs. You always HAVE the right to make a judgment, but you are correct that some people often do NOT have a clue, or enough information to support their opinion. It is up to that person to either attempt to enlighten you with their rebuttal, or simply let the whole thing drop and deem the judge unworthy of legitimate judgments. Because they hurt your feelings and did not accept your judgment or argued what they thought were inconsistancies does not mean they are forever prohibited from making their own personal judgments, that would be impossible.

I judge, and I have no problem being judged. If the judgment of me is made public to me I have the right of rebuttal and extend the same to anyone I publicly judge.

My opinion not being accepted doesn't hurt my feelings, never has, because life is all about choices, so if I offer my insight to somebody else on an issue based on my feelings, I have to remember that it is from the perspective of my foundation, and it may not be accepted based on the other person’s foundation. I can, and have, always accepted that, and there are times when my opinion and solution to an issue just isn't going to work for them.

Feelings only get hurt when you are being judged, not when you are judging others.

 

[vraiblonde]

Last I checked 2A wasn't Jesus....

He never said he was. The fact is that Jesus used the ultimate scare tactics in bringing people to God - death. Eternal death. And don't forget the damnation part.

YOU SAID that Jesus didn't use scare tactics. I said he did and offered you proof.

Why are you jumping on his bandwagon today? Weren't you the one who called him a fanatic?

When I think he's overreacting, I'll say he's overreacting. When I think he makes an interesting point, I'll say he's made an interesting point. In fact, I'm digging though this thread to find where 2A commented on this AT ALL, aside from posting the original article. I'm not coming up with anything.

But, my, aren't you the defensive one.

 

[crabcake]

My opinion not being accepted doesn't hurt my feelings, never has, because life is all about choices, so if I offer my insight to somebody else on an issue based on my feelings, I have to remember that it is from the perspective of my foundation, and it may not be accepted based on the other person’s foundation. I can, and have, always accepted that, and there are times when my opinion and solution to an issue just isn't going to work for them.

Feelings only get hurt when you are being judged, not when you are judging others.

Well put! That was my stance on the issue of chastising those who believe in something different than what you believe in. Christianity isn't the only religion out there, and who is to say that any one of them is or is not right/real/et al. Those muslims seem to be pretty darn sure they're faith is the proper one and all others will perish. I bet if they were on this forum, they'd have just as strong convictions in their faith as 2A or anyone else.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Interesting that this caused such a fervor.

I'll try to get some things out.

I am not judging anyone; I have said repeatedly that is God's job. I am just a sinner like everyone else. I do believe in Jesus as my Savior and Lord and I do believe in the Bible which is the way of salvation and is open to everyone. I feel that I have been directed to post scripture here. I try to interject as little of me as possible and when I do I try to alway use "I think" or "I believe". Teachers are held to higher standards as was said by Kain. I try to yield my life to the Holy Spirit in order to live what I say and post. I fail but I do repent.

The person I quoted, Bill Keller, also admits to being nothing more than a sinner who is forgiven. His email news letter currently is sent to more than 2 million people, and you have to subscribe to get it. If you notice in the quote that he did not condemn Amber, he states the facts of her life. The prime admonishment of the quote goes to pastors of churches that water down scripture and ignore sin.

Premarital or extramarital sex is not a new thing nor is homosexual sex. The quote mentions the woman at the well that Jesus spoke with. Jesus did not let her off with just some good words. He told her that she had had five husbands and that the one she was currently with was not really her husband (John 4:7-18 if you'd like to read it).

God is called the Father. He is the ultimate Good Father. He loves us dearly. He has rules just like human fathers do. He expects His children to obey His rules as do human fathers. He does and will punish His children that disobey (sin) as do or should good human fathers. He forgives His children when we repent (say we are sorry) as do or should human fathers. Human fathers often fail; God never does. He always follows through. He promises good and reward for those that follow His plan and condemnation for those that do not. The fear of God is incidental to His love, but they are both very real. Those that choose to disobey God should fear the consequences just as a kid that disobeys their parent should fear a spanking or other punishment. Those that choose to follow His way know His love and forgiveness. His plan is in the Bible. Don't accept my word for it. Read it.

We all have free will. It is choosing to subject our will to His and let His will be done that is the point of salvation and following Jesus' path. It is your choice just as it is mine.

God bless us all.